Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[JTrain]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m7nqo88

[In Len We Trust]

I think we need to trade Hornacek before his trade value plummets.

[Revived]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m7nqo88

I like it.

[Revived]

Here's a question:

If the Suns stand pat and don't make any trades, miss playoffs and become #9 seed, don't play Warren, Goodwin, Ennis or Bullock and Dragic walks for nothing in the summer....

....how will you feel about this season?

[Qwigglez]

Would rather trade IT for Kanter.

[MilotheSlayer]

I like the 3 team idea of us, det, and utah. I think we could simplify it a bit though. Do something like IT to Utah, Kanter to Det, and Monroe to PHX. We could send Det a lottery protected 1st if needed.

We upgrade the frontcourt, Utah upgrades their backcourt that looks god awful, and Det switches Monroe for a big they can match in RFA and he's someone who won't command as much money as Monroe.

[GetYourPHX]

Monroe at 10.5 rebounds per game, improved FT% and his unique offensive skills for a big sound good to me.

I'm curious why there aren't more trade rumors with him? He's unrestricted after this season so I would think Detroit would try to get whatever they can for him.

Mostly because trading for an unrestricted free agent is dumb.

[3rdside]

Here's a question:

If the Suns stand pat and don't make any trades, miss playoffs and become #9 seed, don't play Warren, Goodwin, Ennis or Bullock and Dragic walks for nothing in the summer....

....how will you feel about this season?

Pretty vacant but at least it would clarify if this club really has NFI or not.

[Bogyo]

Here's a question:

If the Suns stand pat and don't make any trades, miss playoffs and become #9 seed, don't play Warren, Goodwin, Ennis or Bullock and Dragic walks for nothing in the summer....

....how will you feel about this season?

Pretty much the way I feel about it right now, cuz this is exactley where we are headed by the looks of it.
Silver lining is that we might be #10 seed.

Trade IT, buy him out, whatever, I just can't stand looking at him anymore (nor reading posters praising him and his "numbers").

[batsmasher]

Quick, trade for Snell before his value gets inflated.

He played HS ball in Phoenix, can shoot the 3 and plays good D.

[nevetsov]

Quick, trade for Snell before his value gets inflated.

He played HS ball in Phoenix, can shoot the 3 and plays good D.

Isn't that what Bullock is supposed to bring?

[batsmasher]

Isn't that what Bullock is supposed to bring?

Why have 1 Bullock when you can have 2?

In all seriousness I really think less is more with our trades. We don't really need to fill a need, we just need to get some more consistent minutes into the current rotation (and doing a vet for youngen trade would help that).

[carey]

No one would be horribly disappointed this year if we didn't overachieve last year.

If the Suns stand pat and don't make any trades, miss playoffs and become #9 seed, don't play Warren, Goodwin, Ennis or Bullock and Dragic walks for nothing in the summer....

....how will you feel about this season?

But we did overachieve last year. I would be very disappointed if we had to draft 14th again. We need Alex Len back in the worst way. We need to play Wright more. We need to not leave Marcus out there when he is 1/8 FG and doing nothing else, ditto for Gerald, ditto for Thomas.

There is a lot wrong with the team and it almost all comes down to roster imbalance & having a bad fit of players. That vaunted chemistry seems all but gone. McDonough needs to start earning his money now.

[BobbieL]

Addition by subtraction

Thomas - McD just screwed this one up. Easy. Trade him for whatever and move forwad
Green- just move him

Morri - no defense, no rebounding, inconsistent scoring

Tucker
Plumlee

I don't care
Goran either

do something

[Frank Lee]

........

There is a lot wrong with the team and it almost all comes down to roster imbalance & having a bad fit of players. That vaunted chemistry seems all but gone. McDonough needs to start earning his money now.

Looks like Duck ? Quacks like a duck? This is 90% on McDo. He has the next week to regain his 'favored wizard' status. Time to fess up and get out from behind the curtain. Correct the mistakes and move forward. Sad thing is, he just spent over 150 mill on the MoBros, Bledsoe, Thomas, and Tucker. Think he would do that again?

No way this team survives the rest of the yr as is. The implosion is upon us.

[SSOL]

Back to the stats discussion on how we are or are not bad at defense. ESPN's David Thorpe just posted something pretty great.

These are the point totals a team has given up in regulation this season:

124, 114, 111, 113, 127, 115, 111, 115, 113

The team that gave them up? The best defensive team in the league, the Golden State Warriors. Pace matters.

[NavLDO]

Two issues I have with this is Tucker's contract and Dragic's as well. I mentioned it a few pages back, I believe, but Tucker's contract is not a good one. It's 'ok', but I would not characterize it anywhere near a steal. I'm sure one can show an example of a lesser player making more, but that doesn't prove that Tucker's contract is some sort of great deal. Tucker has regressed, along with a good number of other players, since last year. The only ones that have improved, IMO, are Kieff and Len. Bledsoe, Dragic, Green, Plumlee, Mook--all have either stagnated (EB/Mook) or regressed--and it shows via our record. Mook is a better player than Tucker, overall, and is paid less, so his contract is fine.

Where has he regressed? Athletically? Not from what I've seen. Statistically? per36 production is about in line with last season.

If showing an example of a lesser player making more doesn't prove Tucker's contract is a great deal then how about showing the opposite? Good players making less than Tucker at his position. These are the guys who are averaging at least 7pts, 5.5rpg, 25mpg and .555TS%

Giannis Antetokounmpo (Rookie deal)
Harrison Barnes (Rookie deal)
Jimmy Butler (Rookie deal and about to get paid)

Tucker is on front loaded deal, the guy play hard every night, he's often asked to guard PG's to PF's and he sets the tone defensively for the team. He's a guy that can help ANY contender and I'm sure they would love to him.

So again, blasphemous as it may be, Dragic should be paid at a level commensurate with his production, and to me, that's $10-12M. We will have made a mistake if we pay him as much or more than EB. EB is younger, still learning, and hopefully, improving, and $14M was a slight overpay, but that's ok, IMO, because he's still young and improving. But Dragic? Sorry, but he's peaked, IMO. He may yet have a season or two better than this year, but I doubt he ever gets back to last year's level. If we pay him $15M per, we will have roughly $37M invested in 3 PGs--of which not a single All Star. That's just not a good thing. IT is on a steal of a contract, because he plays at about a $10-12M per level, as does Dragic. So pay Dragic what he deserves, but I really hope they do not pay more than $12M.

Peaked? He's in the prime of his career right now with room to improve before hitting his peak. Considering the style of basketball he plays where he doesn't rely on crazy athleticism but craftiness to score, he could potentially still be playing at a high level beyond his mid-30's like Ginobili. This is a down year for Dragic, due to the PG situation, but had he still been producing the same last last year, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I don't believe for a second that 13-14 Goran has just disappeared.

Goran deserves a Bledsoe level contract because he's proven he can produce at an All-NBA level (just last season). As for having $37m
invested in the PG position, I don't think it's a reason not to resign Goran and if we are resigning Goran, it's more than likely we would move IT.

If we are to get better, IMO, we need to shed one of our PGs, and pick up a PF with that savings, and the most logical, even if not desired, would be Dragic. Take the emotion out of what you think of Dragic, then look at the impact/production, and then, I challenge anyone, with a straight face, explain how/why Dragic is worth more than $12M per.

Shed IT since he's at his best a spark off the bench ala Nate Robinson/Aaron Brooks but better. Unless the plan is to keep IT on the bench and start a traditional back court line up with Bledsoe and a legit SG, then we're keeping Dragic.

Agree with everything. I don't understand why some don't like Tucker. I'd rather he not dribble much, but the guy lays his heart on the floor, he doesn't make much, and is a great value. I can understand people wanting to see Warren more, but even as a glue guy or second unit guy, Tucker is on a great deal.

I don't dislike Tucker at all. And I agree he is an important part of our success. I just don't view his contract as some sort of "steal" that others are portraying it as. Stephen Curry is a "steal"; Markieff is a "steal"; Tucker's is, as I mentioned, "ok". So please don't confuse my characterization of his contract as some sort of 'dislike' for the player, because that's not what I'm saying at all.

As far as Goran deserving a Bledsoe-level contract, we'll have to agree to disagree on that. Now, if they backload it as they did with Bledsoe's, so that he makes his money when the cap goes up, then sure, pay him $13M next season and have it progress by $.5M each year. $13M next season will probably roughly equate to a $12M this year, cap %-wise. I still feel it would be too much, though, but not crippling. And using Dragic's sole season as a 3rd team All-NBA as proof that he's worth an EB-level contract, when he's clearly regressed, is a rather weak argument. He's had ONE season as an ALL-NBA player. Until he proves to be more consistent at that level, I don't see how anyone can use that as justification. So far this season, he's about the average of the previous 2 seasons, and is struggling to maintain that. That level of production is a $10-$12M player, IMO. And blaming that all on IT is a copout, IMO. EB is likely just as much to blame as IT, but everyone wants to blame IT. And Dragic has to take responsibility for his play, which he has, but he's also complained about the system as well. I'm not defending IT here; I'm just not blindly jumping on the "it's all IT's fault" bandwagon.

Let's say we pay Dragic $14M, and dump IT, and Dragic continues to play at this level. What then? We are now stuck with 2 PGs making nearly $30M, and of which, neither is a star player. Let's say they both explode next year and both are All-NBA players. We are still investing quite a bit of money in the two, all the while having little wiggle room to upgrade other positions.

And honestly, who hear thinks Dragic will be the better player next season as compared to Bledsoe? Who thinks Dragic has a better chance to progress to an All Star-level player over Bledsoe? If you believe Dragic is the answer to both of those questions, then sure, pay the man. But if it's Bledsoe, then we can't justify the same level contract. That's all I'm really saying, and since most here watch a lot more than I do, you all are probably better suited to say than I am. But I think if we're being honest, the answer to those two questions are likely Bledsoe.

[lementdeneux]

What about this trade ?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=olfmfky

Phoenix in : Nico Batum, Thomas Robinson

We bring our third big young player with Batum, really good in defense, can hit 3s. Good defensive trio with Bledsoe and Len.
We also make big space for young guns and make the Mobross happy with their buddy Robinson ( and we become the FOEnix Suns, not sure its the best idea )

Suns 2015

Bledsoe / Dragic / Ennis
Dragic / Goodwin / Bullock / Zoran / ( Bogdanovic ? )
Batum / Warren / Marcus
Markieff / Robinson / Wright
Len / Wright / Plumlee

Miami in : IT, Pj Tucker

They got the pg they desesperately need and a really good alternative for Luol Deng in Tucker.
Whiteside / Bosh / Tucker / Wade / Thomas

Portland in : Luol Deng, Gerald Green

With Deng Potrland got a very similar player than Batum with more experience and 3 millions cheaper, with Green they also got a great slasher that they need in the bench for the next playoff.
They also could save some money next year if they dont resign Gerald ( for Mathews and Lopez contract ).

It seems it's a win trade for everyone.
Maybe we lose too much, but Batum is "really" good, and with our medical staff ( and the blazers staff is maybe one of the worst ) he could forgets his medical issues and turn into a new and better Shawn Marion.

[Kjdills13]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nr5arga

Suns- Nash, Randell, Monroe
Lakers- Dragic, jerebko
Pistons- Morris, Morris

Suns- 2 young big men, could run any combination of Len, Randell, then resign Monroe and have a good big man rotation of the future

Lakers- get the guy they want Dragic and can pair him with Kobe and nick young for a good back court

Pistons- get good value for Monroe who will not be there next year.

[Frank Lee]

We lose nothing by trading Thomas. He did not cost us an asset to obtain. All he did was burn 7 mill in cap space.

I deal him for McBob in a second, as long as the med staff signs off. Straight up works. Would even throw the Plum in for Cole.

Move or waive Cole, then sign Stat.

I would anticipate some form of suspension for the MoBros. We all have been conveniently casting the denial eye elsewhere. This thing is a pot on the back burner....and its about to boil over.

What better way to fill that starting spot than the return of Amare.

But the main thing is, move IT.