Shaw has finally figured out that the team has quit on him

[The Rebel]

I have never seen a coach publicly admit that he team has quit on him while he still has a job, but I have never seen a coach as bad as Shaw keep a job as long as he has either.

http://www.denverpost.com/lunchspecial/ ... -be-trying

[The Rebel]

To so that Shaw was right the Nuggets are down 20 at the half against the 76ers.

[The Rebel]

I've thought Shaw was going to be fired at several times this season. After the loss to the woeful Lakers. After the home loss to the Celtics. After the home loss to the Wolves. After the disaster vs. the Hornets. But Shaw has held on, and management has maintained they are sticking with him. Shaw might honestly do well with a raw, young team he can mold, if they add a rim protector and a post scorer, bigger guards to defend the ball, and provided, you know, he doesn't make them look like they'd rather be bussing tables at an iHop than playing for him half the time.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25030565
Another piece on how bad things are in Denver now, while I hate to say it again I agree with many of the writers opinion, especially the part about it being to the point that the whole thing may need to be scrapped and they need to start over. Although my reason is that so many deals are expiring in the next 2 years you will have to rebuild either way, may as well start now.

[pickaxe]

Well, when Shaw's team gets to the playoffs (his first one as a coach), the other team is clearly going to know it will be easy to sow dissent.

Seems we can start each game with massive optimism and then somehow it turns sour within 10 minutes. Professional basketball teams are looking at this and saying, "This is going to be easy."

I'd like to go from the Nuggets organization allowing other teams to have career highs and start holding them to career lows. That would be my mentality going into every game. "I'm not going to allow this guy to even get his average production. I'm going to shut him down."

How many of the players do you think are approaching the game like this and sticking with it?

[skywalker33]

Let the fire sale begin.....

[pickaxe]

Let the fire sale begin.....

By that I hope you mean Shaw for a bag of potato chips. Or even one potato chip. Cause that's how I feel about his effort. One potato chip.

[Powder Blue]

Not the best written article and it's a litle off but can't argue with the title..

http://deadspin.com/the-denver-nuggets- ... 1683700757" target="_blank

Instead, the Nuggets got all of it wrong. They fired Karl because they didn't want to give him a raise, stuck with the players they had (which might seem to imply they thought Karl wasn't getting all he could have out of the roster, but more likely reaffirms that penny-pinching *** owner Stan Kroenke just doesn't give a ****), brought in the exact wrong first-time head coach to run the show, and consecrated as the face of the franchise his least-favorite player. It's a goddamn wreck. If the players have given up, all that proves is that they're not crazy.

[StunnaStan]

Im going to sound like a hypocrite right now, but after thinking it over, whats happening right now really isn't shaws fault.

going back to when we put the team together in the melo deal, i wouldn't have guessed that we'd make the playoffs or been as good as we were (which still isn't that good since the goal is a championship). granted we had karl and ujiri behind the scenes, id say in hindsight, that we over-acheived those 3 years with the peak year being the 57 win season.

fast-foward to december, the nuggs had the same starting lineup as they did those previous 3 years following the melo deal roughly (swap chadler x danilo), and they were playing like crap with the exception of lawson. mozgov regressed as the season progressed, affalo numbers were down from orl, chandler never looks like hes trying 100%, and we've forced ty lawson into a a situation he shouldnt be in but is doing a pretty good job doing which is be our best player. lawson is good dont get me wrong, but he shouldnt be your teams best player if your seriously trying to win a chip.

not a whole lot to say about the bench that shaw has had. nate was good last year before the acl and was causing more harm than good this year, gee is a bum, foye isnt good, fournier was inconsistent(still shouldnt have traded him thou), quincy miller hasnt harnessed his game yet, darell arthur plays like anthony randolph, javale is shaqtin a fool, and jj hickson.... we all know hes trash.

george karl said himself that the reason we played thew way we did was because we didn't have the talent to execute consistently in the half court so our goal on offense was to push the pace and get as many shots as possible. we've all acknowledged that we need to improve in the half court which led to hiring shaw. we then traded for aa to give shaw the same starting lineup which karl said had to play uptempo for their highest sucess. makes sense why were at where were at.

and throughout the season, ive agreed with those of you who have said we need to increase the pace but at this point, if shaw was to say okay team were run n gun now, would the players on the current roster be able to doit? i dont think so because we've never been a defensive team so how are we supposed to run.

hes not getting fired it seems so we might as well give him a roster of players the he himself thinks fit into whatever system he trying to run/implement (yet to be seen).

and thinking back, the reason we traded afflalo in the 1st place was because he was a no show in the playoffs everytime.

[pickaxe]

Wouldn't it make sense to continue playing super-up-tempo to raise the player value all this time?

Once the value is high (i.e. the team is really good on offense but so-so on defense) you go for the correct players.

Here's the problem: Shaw has revealed if he is at a disadvantage in any way he is exposed. If this lineup is difficult for him I want to see his mettle as a coach. Where is it?

If anything, by holding onto the original post-melo team we avoided a huge disappointment because we were not ready for that low post team as we did not select the correct coach. We may very well have avoided a long road that could easily have led to the complete bottoming out of this team.

[pickaxe]

Hell, maybe at this point keep the best 5 up tempo players and bring in 5 really good half court players. See what Shaw can do with the 5 half court players. Let the up tempo guys kill it as the second unit.

We have the flexibility to go either direction then.

[The Rebel]

The news just keeps coming out that Shaw is going nowhere, our front office is delusional at best, and honestly they should all be fired, Shaw, Connelly, and Joshie

Shaw will have time, because the Nuggets have no intention of firing him. General Manager Tim Connolly has stood staunchly behind Shaw -- a position he has privately long held and publicly reinforced to the Denver Post last week -- and there is still a strong belief within the organization that Shaw can become an elite head coach. But this is a team in transition. The Nuggets have already made one move, shipping center Timofey Mozgov to Cleveland for a pair of first-round picks, and Connolly has made it clear that the team will pursue even more before this month’s trade deadline. The active pursuit of Brooklyn’s Brook Lopez -- who is about as effective in transition as a Clydesdale -- is further evidence that this team is seeking to evolve into a more halfcourt oriented bunch

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/06/denver ... open-floor

[Powder Blue]

The news just keeps coming out that Shaw is going nowhere, our front office is delusional at best, and honestly they should all be fired, Shaw, Connelly, and Joshie

Shaw will have time, because the Nuggets have no intention of firing him. General Manager Tim Connolly has stood staunchly behind Shaw -- a position he has privately long held and publicly reinforced to the Denver Post last week -- and there is still a strong belief within the organization that Shaw can become an elite head coach. But this is a team in transition. The Nuggets have already made one move, shipping center Timofey Mozgov to Cleveland for a pair of first-round picks, and Connolly has made it clear that the team will pursue even more before this month’s trade deadline. The active pursuit of Brooklyn’s Brook Lopez -- who is about as effective in transition as a Clydesdale -- is further evidence that this team is seeking to evolve into a more halfcourt oriented bunch

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/06/denver ... open-floor

If this is the case they have to completely revamp the roster, you can't keep all the pieces the same and expect a different result.

[stopstandthere]

Shaw should be fired after the all star game?

[pickaxe]

The news just keeps coming out that Shaw is going nowhere, our front office is delusional at best, and honestly they should all be fired, Shaw, Connelly, and Joshie

Shaw will have time, because the Nuggets have no intention of firing him. General Manager Tim Connolly has stood staunchly behind Shaw -- a position he has privately long held and publicly reinforced to the Denver Post last week -- and there is still a strong belief within the organization that Shaw can become an elite head coach. But this is a team in transition. The Nuggets have already made one move, shipping center Timofey Mozgov to Cleveland for a pair of first-round picks, and Connolly has made it clear that the team will pursue even more before this month’s trade deadline. The active pursuit of Brooklyn’s Brook Lopez -- who is about as effective in transition as a Clydesdale -- is further evidence that this team is seeking to evolve into a more halfcourt oriented bunch

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/06/denver ... open-floor

If this is the case they have to completely revamp the roster, you can't keep all the pieces the same and expect a different result.

Hey man, if you got a chef who serves you raw chicken even once do you ever let him cook for you again?

Yes, in many cases you can change exactly one thing and be back in business. Don't give me raw chicken, give me nuggets.

[StunnaStan]

The roster is the bigger problem. As bad as our offense is from an execution standpoint, the horrible defense that's been played this season falls solely on the players. One if the reasons shaw was hired was because shaw believed in playing in your face defense while fighting through screens. If you remember the Karl year's, you remember how easy teams would wait for a switch on defense from our side to score easily. watch the double overtime game vs the celtics from the 57 season and you'll see the difference in how our defense is now compared to then.

Shaw is a NBA champion who was a roleplayer. He knows what it takes to win a chip and the sacrifices that have to be made. He won with shaq and kobe. Our team doesn't even have a best player. Not a single post player or wing player worth mentioning. And we want him gone because? ?? Danilo and Wilson brick it up and we blame shaw. Nurk goes 1 for 10 and plays 16min, we blame shaw. Arthur takes long 2s and doesn't rebound, blame shaw? Once you acknowledge that the team ROSTER SUCKS, then it becomes more clear that shaw was put in a bad situation. Why would we hire a new coach and try to replicate the old roster?

Having a championship roster comes before having a championship coach.

[The Rebel]

The roster is the bigger problem. As bad as our offense is from an execution standpoint, the horrible defense that's been played this season falls solely on the players. One if the reasons shaw was hired was because shaw believed in playing in your face defense while fighting through screens. If you remember the Karl year's, you remember how easy teams would wait for a switch on defense from our side to score easily. watch the double overtime game vs the celtics from the 57 season and you'll see the difference in how our defense is now compared to then.

Shaw is a NBA champion who was a roleplayer. He knows what it takes to win a chip and the sacrifices that have to be made. He won with shaq and kobe. Our team doesn't even have a best player. Not a single post player or wing player worth mentioning. And we want him gone because? ?? Danilo and Wilson brick it up and we blame shaw. Nurk goes 1 for 10 and plays 16min, we blame shaw. Arthur takes long 2s and doesn't rebound, blame shaw? Once you acknowledge that the team ROSTER SUCKS, then it becomes more clear that shaw was put in a bad situation. Why would we hire a new coach and try to replicate the old roster?

Having a championship roster comes before having a championship coach.

A coach has to design a defensive system that fits his players, Shaw has no idea how to do that. Also Shaw having a nice resume does not mean he can do the job, there are several former head coaches that make better assistants, and plenty of role players on Championship teams that are terrible coaches, using his prior resume when we have over a year and a half to judge his ability is sad.

You see it is the head coaches fault when he has guys who are best going to the rim standing along the 3 point line jacking shots, it is his problem when he encourages Arthur to shoot long 2s, not to mention not coaching up Nurkic to dunk the ball instead of throwing up layups is also a coaching problem.

[The Rebel]

http://deadspin.com/brian-shaw-just-can ... 1685128187

Shaw now becoming a joke among the national media, not only is he killing this team he is killing his future job opportunities.

[StunnaStan]

Everything yall are saying is right but you guys are acting like we all haven't seen the current rosters maximum potential already. The Starters play the Majority of the minutes. Our Starting Lineup for the 14-15 season is the Same starting lineup we had from 2011-2013. What did that lineup show/prove the 1st time we had them. ..that they can't get it done. Add in the fact that danilo and javale who were already sus to begin with have regressed tremendously due to injuries which they haven't bounced back from.

Outside of over-playing hickson at the 5, playing Lawson and nate together, and not playing jusuf enough, the roster and front office is to blame. Aaron afflalo is in the prime of his career and he's still not a top 12 shooting guard and Wilson chandler. .well I question how hard he tries every night. I've never seen someone as athletic as Wilson play so lazy on both sides of the ball. These are the players you guys feel shaw isn't coaching right. Guys who don't try 100% . Jameer Nelson who messed up his old magic teams finals run has been badmouthing shaw since he came to town. Keep in mind that Nelson rode the bench in Orl, Dallas, and Boston and he has the nerve to talk about the coach?

okc should be on top the division next season with the blazers right behind them. The wolves build is looking promising with the possibility of getting jahlil okafor. The jazz have favors and a star in gordan Hayward. Then there's our roster with no one worth mentioning. Some of you might think it's possible to have our 5'9 point guard try to drop 30 points a night and still be a good team but it's unrealistic.

After this all star game, melo shutting it down to make sure that ny gets a top pick. It don't matter who play and sit with Denver cause they're gonna win and lose at the same rate regardless with the current roster. It's time we blow it up, and then I would focus on the coach.

[pickaxe]

The roster is the bigger problem. As bad as our offense is from an execution standpoint, the horrible defense that's been played this season falls solely on the players. One if the reasons shaw was hired was because shaw believed in playing in your face defense while fighting through screens. If you remember the Karl year's, you remember how easy teams would wait for a switch on defense from our side to score easily. watch the double overtime game vs the celtics from the 57 season and you'll see the difference in how our defense is now compared to then.

Shaw is a NBA champion who was a roleplayer. He knows what it takes to win a chip and the sacrifices that have to be made. He won with shaq and kobe. Our team doesn't even have a best player. Not a single post player or wing player worth mentioning. And we want him gone because? ?? Danilo and Wilson brick it up and we blame shaw. Nurk goes 1 for 10 and plays 16min, we blame shaw. Arthur takes long 2s and doesn't rebound, blame shaw? Once you acknowledge that the team ROSTER SUCKS, then it becomes more clear that shaw was put in a bad situation. Why would we hire a new coach and try to replicate the old roster?

Having a championship roster comes before having a championship coach.

Stan.......... reducing the value of players you will be switching out does not make any sense.

You do need a system that works for the personnel. Whether it is to boost their individual value before being traded or to maintain your public image as a team that is not foolish...the employed system must work, period.

When players start seeing glimmers of a system working, they begin to find ways to contribute more. When the system is murky you're counting on players to pick genius plays out of thin air. Without leadership on top of no plan, you have a collection of individuals making executive decisions that may or may not be to the betterment of the game.

[skywalker33]

Man, this Shaw thing has eerie similarities to the McDaniels situation. He wants Lawson out, McD wanted Cutler out, Shaw now wants to bring in Hill just like McDaniels wanted to bring in Matt Cassel......I am ready to scream watching this crap.....WTF !!!!!

I can understand rebuilding, but at least get quality.