Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[raferfenix]

I am a huge fan of Koufos. Would be a great get in FA. Memphis might even be willing to deal him at the deadline as they are a legit contender this year.

Yes, which is why the Grizzlies only deal Koufos if they think it makes them better this season.

Towards these ends would a deal have to be ZaZa for Koufos for it to happen, or what kind of scenario do we think this would be?

Ideally they would take Ersan for him. But it seems like too much to hope for Memphis to prefer Ilyasova over Koufos for the next 30 games.

[raferfenix]

1. DMo - now unattainable
2. Kanter - I think he will be available for a reasonable cost
3. O'Quinn
4. Monroe
5. Koufos

That list is very much in flux, but as I mentioned before, the FA Center market is absolutely flooded this offseason, and someone is going to be locked into a very reasonable deal...I think that guy is Koufos, and would be glad to have him.

I would add Jason Thompson to this list. Seems likely enough that an Ersan / JOB / LAC pick for Stauskas / Thompson scenario is being discussed.

Maybe it's being held up because the Bucks aren't sure about how Stauskas would fit here, now and long term. He'd sure have a tough time earning minutes if we are about to lock up Knight / Middleton / Dudley.

So if we make a deal with the Kings maybe Stauskas is heading to a 3rd team, with or without Thompson depending on who the Bucks would be getting back.

[KqWIN]

Also, if you want to trade for Kanter because of what Cousins does to us... have you ever seen that match-up? Kanter can't guard Cousins. Cousins bullies him the same way he bullies Henson. The only difference is that Kanter's easier to shoot over.

Have to give Kanter some credit here. He did very well against Cousins a few games ago. Cousins did no bullying of Kanter and turned into a black hole. Cousins got nothing easy in the post and definitely had a harder time against Kanter than Gobert. If there's one think Kanter can do on defense, it's hold his ground. Most of Kanter's defensive struggles come from basketball IQ and focus.

[raferfenix]

One player I'm realizing we haven't been talking about much lately is OJ Mayo.

He will only have a year on his contract after this season and has really had a bounce back year.

OJ would be a big help to any team looking for a solid backup SG who can score and create for teammates.

He has further proven to be a positive veteran force in the lockerroom this season, making him valuable to any team looking to win now -- whether they are set for the playoffs or not.

None of this is to say the Bucks would trade him on the cheap. He's great for us for all these reasons.

But moving forward, do we really want to allocate minutes and money to him next season after giving Middleton and Knight big contracts (much less Dudley)?

Maybe the scenario we'd be talking about with the Kings is Mayo / Ersan for Stauskas / Thompson.

Other trade ideas in mind involving OJ?

[ampd]

Also, if you want to trade for Kanter because of what Cousins does to us... have you ever seen that match-up? Kanter can't guard Cousins. Cousins bullies him the same way he bullies Henson. The only difference is that Kanter's easier to shoot over.

I'm not as worried by cousins as a guy like pau gortat etc. With cousins or some other guys like that you can just double them and theyll make all sorts of stupid passes turnovers and kill their offense with bad shots. It's much harder to do that successfully against the more unselfish high bbIQ guys. That's how we end up giving up huge games to guys like pau but often successfully contain guys like cousins.

I don't think Kanter us the answer there either though. At least not the Kanter we've seen on the jazz. If we trade for him were planning to match anything and we're banking on our coaching staff being able to coax better defense out of him.

[smauss]

I know I was pimping Kanter a bunch earlier, after watching 3-4 games of his. I never really knew he was such a poor defender. Especially since I know, by watching him, he has good footwork. Someone that has good feet, especially a big, should be able to play at least average defense. I truly believe he could blossom here, being coached-up, by our coaches and players. He would definitely be a guy I'd take a chance on.

[BUCKSFORLIFE]

I know I was pimping Kanter a bunch earlier, after watching 3-4 games of his. I never really knew he was such a poor defender. Especially since I know, by watching him, he has good footwork. Someone that has good feet, especially a big, should be able to play at least average defense. I truly believe he could blossom here, being coached-up, by our coaches and players. He would definitely be a guy I'd take a chance on.

Did you ever think maybe that is the reason he has not improved because he does not listen to the coaches. He appears to me a MR KNOW IT ALL from what I have read. I say we stick to the humble, classy hard working types. No need for someone who thinks he is a superstar when to this point he has not shown much.

[yoshii8]

Weird that you wouldn't like someone who thinks they know it all.

[Bernman]

Henson, Dudley, 1st-(top3pro) to DET for Monroe

OR

MIL- Ersan, Mayo, 1st-lac // Hibbert
UT- Kanter // Ersan, 1st-lac,
IND - Hibbert // Kanter, Mayo

Monroe? He is a unrestricted Free Agent next year and soft. He is expecting 15 million+ next season. Drummond far better choice. Athlete who likes to rebound.

Hibbert is just plain awful my freind. Just what we need grrrr. He also not sure at times if he wants to play basketball. We already have one headcase to get rid of don't add another.

a. Who gives a s**t if Drummond is better? He's not available.
b. Monroe is so soft he's averaging 10.4 rebs per game and takes over many games offensively. His problem is more lack of verticality for ideal rim protection, awareness and mobility on d in space.
c. If Monroe's bird rights indeed don't transfer, at least he'd bolster our chances this season, we could build a relationship, and find how how he meshes with this core, sans Jabari at least.

I'm not dealing our first next draft for Monroe, but I do think Henson + a 2nd or maybe Clips' 1st + JOB would be of value. I don't rate any of those things highly. JOB is always going to suck, Henson is an actual soft player, and the Clips' pick is either going to be a low 1st or a 2nd pretty much in a few years. Monroe has the potential to factor into the future more than any of those pieces, and in the interim can help put a stamp on this season and in turn increase our chances of getting a new arena. Remind voters why they once enjoyed the Bucks and should want to keep them around.

[JayMKE]

I'd consider Monroe in the offseason, right now he'd just be a rental.

[smauss]

Weird that you wouldn't like someone who thinks they know it all.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Since Monroe signed the QO he has to approve any trade. I doubt he will since by getting traded and losing his bird rights he eliminates the possibility or going in a sign and trade to a team over the cap this summer. He also loses the opportunity to sign a 5 yr deal with the Pistons; something that seemed out of the question a couple months ago but with smith gone it's a possibility.

The only way I could see him agreeing to a trade is if it sent him to team with a true chance to win a chip this season.

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[BUCKSFORLIFE]

Henson, Dudley, 1st-(top3pro) to DET for Monroe

OR

MIL- Ersan, Mayo, 1st-lac // Hibbert
UT- Kanter // Ersan, 1st-lac,
IND - Hibbert // Kanter, Mayo

Monroe? He is a unrestricted Free Agent next year and soft. He is expecting 15 million+ next season. Drummond far better choice. Athlete who likes to rebound.

Hibbert is just plain awful my freind. Just what we need grrrr. He also not sure at times if he wants to play basketball. We already have one headcase to get rid of don't add another.

a. Who gives a s**t if Drummond is better? He's not available.
b. Monroe is so soft he's averaging 10.4 rebs per game and takes over many games offensively. His problem is more lack of verticality for ideal rim protection, awareness and mobility on d in space.
c. If Monroe's bird rights indeed don't transfer, at least he'd bolster our chances this season, we could build a relationship, and find how how he meshes with this core, sans Jabari at least.

I'm not dealing our first next draft for Monroe, but I do think Henson + a 2nd or maybe Clips' 1st + JOB would be of value. I don't rate any of those things highly. JOB is always going to suck, Henson is an actual soft player, and the Clips' pick is either going to be a low 1st or a 2nd pretty much in a few years. Monroe has the potential to factor into the future more than any of those pieces, and in the interim can help put a stamp on this season and in turn increase our chances of getting a new arena. Remind voters why they once enjoyed the Bucks and should want to keep them around.

To you last point first. I think Jason Kidd and what am amazing job he has done with this team along with our new ownership group has already addressed the chances of getting a new arena. Adding an unrestricted free agent who will get offers we cannot afford to match wont make an impact on a new arena at all. If anything it would be sign of total panic and super stupidity in my humble opinion. Also we are not having an issue with scoring the basketball so while Monroe has a nice offensive game, it is really not one of the teams needs. Monroe has some nice rebounding stats because Drummond and Monroe are the only two guys rebounding at all on Detroit. There is a reason no one made an offer last season to Monroe. 30 General Mangers probably no more than you do. Right? You say Drummond could not be had. They might be true. However, I would offer Jabari (Who knows how he will perform coming back from injuy, next years #1 (Middle round pick) and the #1 pick we got from the Clippers for Drummond and Caron Butler. Butler needs to be added to make the salaries work. We could then just cut Butler as we have previously. Detroit is much further away from being a playoff contender than we are. They are still in rebuilding mode and might enjoy have 2 extra pics and a potential young superstar. Drummond gives us exactly what we need, a rebounder who controls the boards, runs the floor and plays decent defense. It also does not hurt that he is only 21years old and still on his rookie contract through next year.

[VooDoo7]

Will be real interesting to see what happens at the deadline. Hammond's comments from a few days ago suggests he's all about the future, and not "win now". Most feel Kidd wants to win badly, but will he let that trump "own the future" type deals?

From the JS article:

"Look, the big picture for us is becoming a championship-caliber organization," Hammond said at the team's training center. "For us to get short-sighted and say, 'Let's try to win today' and replacing any thought of moving forward into the future, I think we're all aware that's not who we want to be.

"Anything we're looking at today is still hopefully going to be focused on acquiring a piece or talking about adding pieces that can be long-term players for this organization."

Hammond also went on to say this team is overachieving. Even tho that may be true, doesn't that almost seem like a knock on our current players? On the flipside, he's giving credit to Kidd with that statement.

[Chuck Diesel]

I wonder what Orlando thinks of Brandon Knight.

[raferfenix]

If we're only trading Ersan and the LAC pick then a 'deal for the future' could also help us in the present.

Trading for Kanter or Stauskas / Thompson would be both.

Trading for Afflalo would not.

Fortunately Hammond's statement make it seem like we're taking a pass on Denver's valuation of an expiring SG as worthy of a 1st.

[Frank Nova]

I think it is better to wait until the offseason to go after a big man, this draft is pretty deep with them and there are a ton of guys including Kanter available in FA. Not to mention our situation with Sanders should be a lot clearer by then. Who wouldn't want to throw the max at Marc Gasol?

Now isn't the right time to shell out value in a big trade.

Who do you think will be the best available bigs in the draft when we pick? I'm thinking we pick somewhere between 18-22 at this point...

Id make Marc Gasol the highest paid player in the league if he'd agree to come to Milwaukee. Not only would I max him out but Id even try some shady mad russian stuff and come out of pocket with some ridiculous signing bonus off the books just to make it that much more enticing. Max contract, 30mil signing bonus and Id let him sleep with my wife whenever he wanted. Lol. Well maybe not the last part but definitely the 1st 2...

Giannis/Jabari/Marco is a wet dreams wet dream..

[AussieBuck]

I wonder what Orlando thinks of Brandon Knight.

I could see that fit for them.

[raferfenix]

Nuggets gonna Nug:

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post ... gic-active

Most rival teams nonetheless see Afflalo as more likely to be dealt before the deadline than Wilson Chandler, with Denver's demands for Chandler said to be even higher. Nuggets general manager Tim Connelly is known to be a Chandler fan, leading to the belief that the former Knicks player is the on short list of players Denver isn't shopping these days alongside Ty Lawson, Kenneth Faried and rookie sensation Jusuf Nurkic.

As ESPN.com first reported recently, Denver's offer to Brooklyn for Lopez -- J.J. Hickson, JaVale McGee and one of the two first-round picks it acquired from Cleveland for Mozgov -- has been repeatedly rejected by the Nets.

Ty Lawson on the short list of players not being shopped is too bad. But if the Nuggets are trying to rip teams off like they all have King James and Kevin Love as pending free agents, then there wouldn't be a deal worth doing as is.

Bunch of other good stuff from Marc Stein in the article too.

He lists Brook Lopez, Reggie Jackson and Arron Afflalo the names general managers most frequently say are the biggest names likely to move before the deadline.

Also says Bartelstein is working with the Phoenix Suns to find a workable trade for big man Miles Plumlee in addition to Andrew Nicholson with the Magic.

[Dcebucks11]

I think it is better to wait until the offseason to go after a big man, this draft is pretty deep with them and there are a ton of guys including Kanter available in FA. Not to mention our situation with Sanders should be a lot clearer by then. Who wouldn't want to throw the max at Marc Gasol?

Now isn't the right time to shell out value in a big trade.

Who do you think will be the best available bigs in the draft when we pick? I'm thinking we pick somewhere between 18-22 at this point...

Id make Marc Gasol the highest paid player in the league if he'd agree to come to Milwaukee. Not only would I max him out but Id even try some shady mad russian stuff and come out of pocket with some ridiculous signing bonus off the books just to make it that much more enticing. Max contract, 30mil signing bonus and Id let him sleep with my wife whenever he wanted. Lol. Well maybe not the last part but definitely the 1st 2...

Giannis/Jabari/Marco is a wet dreams wet dream..

marc gasol would be awesome but hes not coming to milwaukee lol