Reports: Rockets & Lakers Persuing Trade For Goran Dragic

sixerswillrule · Post #81 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:34 am

Some teams could really use a player like him but he may not be worth the price if he bolts in the summer.

sixerswillrule · Post #82 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:38 am

Winsome Gerbil wrote:Isaiah Thomas is a destructive little dude. I felt like he came into Tyreke's town and chased him out of Sacto. Then he comes into Goran's town, and chases him out of Phoenix. I'm just not that into 5'8" SGs I guess.

We're subtracting 1 inch from barefoot height now? That makes Bledsoe 5'11", Westbrook 6'1", Steve Nash 6'0", etc.

BDSF1994 · Post #83 » by **BDSF1994** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:42 am

Idk if it's possible but could the Lakers take the protection off their pick in exchange for Dragic? (use Lin+Davis as filler)? I know the Lakers would like him going forward.

Aaron Brooks · Post #84 » by **Aaron Brooks** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:44 am

Bring him home Morey

lakersin4 · Post #85 » by **lakersin4** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:53 am

BDSF1994 wrote:Idk if it's possible but could the Lakers take the protection off their pick in exchange for Dragic? (use Lin+Davis as filler)? I know the Lakers would like him going forward.

A top 5 pick for half a season rental of Dragic? After Kobe shut it down for the season on top of that. The Suns need frontcourt depth, it'd make more sense to send them Jordan Hill + Houston's 1st, but even that would be an extremely questionable move. Dragic would do nothing but hurt our odds of keeping our pick. I'm sure we'll go after him this summer.

BDSF1994 · Post #86 » by **BDSF1994** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:59 am

lakersin4 wrote:
BDSF1994 wrote:Idk if it's possible but could the Lakers take the protection off their pick in exchange for Dragic? (use Lin+Davis as filler)? I know the Lakers would like him going forward.

A top 5 pick for half a season rental of Dragic? After Kobe shut it down for the season on top of that. The Suns need frontcourt depth, it'd make more sense to send them Jordan Hill + Houston's 1st, but even that would be an extremely questionable move. Dragic would do nothing but hurt our odds of keeping our pick. I'm sure we'll go after him this summer.

Who knows if the Lakers even get a top 5 pick though, what I'm saying is the Lakers could get a jump on free agency and land their PGofTF and get him acclimated to the team and kobe, it wouldn't be a half season rental because he'd be guaranteed a max deal essentially in LA.

lakersin4 · Post #87 » by **lakersin4** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:19 am

BDSF1994 wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:
BDSF1994 wrote:Idk if it's possible but could the Lakers take the protection off their pick in exchange for Dragic? (use Lin+Davis as filler)? I know the Lakers would like him going forward.

A top 5 pick for half a season rental of Dragic? After Kobe shut it down for the season on top of that. The Suns need frontcourt depth, it'd make more sense to send them Jordan Hill + Houston's 1st, but even that would be an extremely questionable move. Dragic would do nothing but hurt our odds of keeping our pick. I'm sure we'll go after him this summer.

Who knows if the Lakers even get a top 5 pick though, what I'm saying is the Lakers could get a jump on free agency and land their PGofTF and get him acclimated to the team and kobe, it wouldn't be a half season rental because he'd be guaranteed a max deal essentially in LA.

A very good shot at a top 5 pick if we continue playing the way we have + the ability to sign Dragic in the offseason, or no chance at all at that top 5 pick + a preview on selling Dragic on playing in LA & possibly having him walk for nothing. With Kobe shut down for the season he won't be getting acclimated to Kobe & they wouldn't have a shot at the playoffs. Makes absolutely no sense to remove the protection from the pick for Dragic.

NaturalBuns · Post #88 » by **NaturalBuns** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:21 am

What's up with the lakers recently wanting suns pgs.

Nash/Marshall/Dragic?
Lol Mitch wanted Bledsoe as well.

xBulletproof · Post #89 » by **xBulletproof** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:39 am

As a Pacers fan I would be so torn about it if we were the team to do it. I think moving George Hill to SG could be good a lot of the time. Would make for some bad matchups occasionally.

I don't think Bird does it without knowing Dragic is more than a 30 game trial though. I believe it would be a hell of a move if he stays. Dragic, Hill, PG, West and Hibbert could be very good.

Post #90 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:42 am

HotelVitale wrote:
andrewww wrote: Bottom line is, that front court just isn't good enough as currently constructed to be a legitimate contender. To give up one of your best players would be extremely foolish. Dragic gives you production at great value for his contract, even when he signs a new contract coming up. Or would you rather keep a 5-8 guard who shoots as much as Iverson?

Risk101 wrote: If the Suns want to contend in the West there going to have to give up one of there gaurds and Dragic makes the most sense. You just signed Bledsoe and Thomas for the next couple of seasons and Dragic could possibly walk this season. I'm assuming Dragic is looking for a big pay day so why not let him go and get something in return?

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but why is it a good idea for a team to give up your best player because you're worried you're not talented enough overall? I understand how that could work in some cases, but here there's no obvious path for how dropping Dragic will allow them to improve the talent level somewhere down the line.

Here's what I'm seeing: if they cut Dragic's salary entirely they'll be at like $52m this offseason, which wouldn't be enough cap space to lure a younger high-level frontcourt player. They could move some pieces around to make an offer for Greg Monroe, for example, but that means they're giving up Dragic and a prospect or two (to clear cap space) in order to get Monroe and a late first (from a Dragic trade). Monroe is a worse overall player than Dragic, and the late first is very unlikely to make a big impact. And with IT/Bledsoe/Tucker/Morri/Len/Monroe, they're likely to be a little worse than currently: in other words, in 9th to 12th pick purgatory instead of borderline playoff team purgatory.

So why isn't it the best move to throw whatever you need to at Dragic? They'd still be under the tax even if they paid him $16m+, and then they have their choice of moving any of the three PGs that seems the least necessary. The only way this doesn't seem optimal is if they're pretty sure that Dragic will leave the team even if they offer him full boat.

No, you're not really missing anything. Most Suns fans want to keep him. I think it's smart to roll the dice with him staying, but move IT, even if you have to dump him to appease Dragic (and just to improve chemistry overall). Trading Dragic doesn't make a ton of sense, even for a pick, because they have so many first and second year guys on the bench already, are 15 deep, have all their own picks in the future plus a Lakers pick that will probably either be 6th this year (if a couple teams leap them in the lottery...probably doubtful) or top 10 next year.

Even if Dragic DID walk (after trading Dragic), they can go after a two with the cap space and have Ennis as a backup pg and can clear room for Goodwin and/or Bullock to get some time at the 2....keep Green if they want or go after another two...throw money at Wes Mathews or something.

Some Suns fans want to trade him or would rather let him walk then pay him too much, but the Suns have a hard time attracting big name free agents (basically anyone as good or better than Dragic) so even if they sign him to a big deal, it's better to have that asset locked up into a contract, and if you later want to trade a bunch of assets for a star, THEN you trade him along with some other young guys or whatever to try and pull off that other trade.

Quite a few Suns fans like to argue about who is better between Bledsoe and Dragic and some who prefer Bledsoe flat out want Dragic gone for whatever reason, so Bledsoe can put up better individual stats, even though the team plays better with both, then with one and a regular two like Gerald Green. Now if it was easy to go out and sign an all star two, that would be one thing, but it's not. And of course some think Archie Goodwin is going to be a star as well.

So, a lot of bickering among Suns fans these days.

TheKingofSting · Post #91 » by **TheKingofSting** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:33 am

I'm not saying he's not worth it but I'm not sure they will get that.

Sothron · Post #92 » by **Sothron** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:50 am

he's one of my favorite players in the league and I hate that he's been throttled by having to deal with Thomas stealing minutes from him. I hope he goes somewhere where he gets to be the point and has real minutes again.

TheKingofSting · Post #93 » by **TheKingofSting** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:58 am

Miami should trade for him.

Volcano · Post #94 » by **Volcano** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:11 am

Utah should get on this using Kanter

Getting Dragic should also be in SAC's interest

Heezzi · Post #95 » by **Heezzi** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:21 am

I wish Dallas held on to Nelson and that pick longer. We could've gotten Dragic over Rondo.

Calvin Klein · Post #96 » by **Calvin Klein** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:26 am

NaturalBuns wrote:What's up with the lakers recently wanting suns pgs.

Nash/Marshall/Dragic?
Lol Mitch wanted Bledsoe as well.

They wanted Thomas too, no?

And Ronnie Price.

snowthedirtbub · Post #97 » by **snowthedirtbub** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:58 am

I think people are jumping the gun here a bit. This info is coming from a guy who works at a Wisconsin newspaper...

Scubetrolis · Post #98 » by **Scubetrolis** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:06 am

Why would the Rockets want him?? He is most effective with the ball in his hands, which is why he is not the same player this year.

BDSF1994 · Post #99 » by **BDSF1994** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:21 am

Scubetrolis wrote:Why would the Rockets want him?? He is most effective with the ball in his hands, which is why he is not the same player this year.

The Rockets want everyone. Whenever a big name is available their name comes up. Houston just keeps amassing players, if they weren't in such a great market their GM would be working as an accountant or something somewhere.

baubo · Post #100 » by **baubo** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:34 am

Scubetrolis wrote:Why would the Rockets want him?? He is most effective with the ball in his hands, which is why he is not the same player this year.

One of the biggest myths with the Rockets is that there's no room for anyone besides Harden. Harden is one player. Phoenix has Markieff Morris, Green, Thomas, Bledsoe all getting more usage than Dragic. Dragic currently has the ball less than Patrick Beverley, who basically just shoot 3s and pound the ball a bit when Harden's tired. Houston's 2nd ball handler this year has been Josh Smith because they're so desperate for options outside of Harden.

Dragic absolutely would get major, major use on the Rockets.