Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

Frank Nova · Post #4161 » by **Frank Nova** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:34 pm

Ersan has been useless this year and even prior. He's never lived up to his contract imo. Id take Jason Thompson and McLemore if that were an option or I guess you could sell me on Stauskas considering I liked him a lot in college and he's only 1 year removed so there's still room to work there. No way am I trading a pick to Sacramento, clearly we are the sellers in this situation and Sacramento is calling us, get all u can for Ersan straight up and call it a day. Get Thompson and Reggie Evans, don't matter. Save the LAC 1st to acquire a real asset.

I will say if the LAC 1st and Ersan gets Thompson and Mclemore im sold. Not Stauskas tho. Stauskas and Thompson for Ersan straight up is most I budge. Tell George to trade Cousins for a Kevin Garnett rental the rest of the year and Brooklyn can throw in some athletic swingman that doesn't amount to much. Prick. Still salty about Ray, lol.

Newz · Post #4162 » by **Newz** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:35 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I don't think signing both Matthews/Middleton makes sense. I'd just keep Middleton. I do agree on wanting to clear cap for FA/trade options though.

What's wrong with having Matthews and Middleton? I think that would be an excellent 2/3 combination... especially if you are running Knight at the point. It would open the entire floor up. Giannis should be unreal with those three guys on the perimeter spacing the floor and Henson should be able to have a field day inside.

LUKE23 · Post #4163 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:36 pm

Well, I'd prefer the younger option if I had to pick one and I don't think we realistically have the money for both if you project out.

Newz · Post #4164 » by **Newz** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:38 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Well, I'd prefer the younger option if I had to pick one and I don't think we realistically have the money for both if you project out.

How much do you think both of those guys get?

If you look at worst case scenarios you are probably thinking Knight at around $12, Middleton at around $10 and Matthews at around $11-$12, right? So in theory with Ersan, Mayo, Dudley, Henson and Bayless coming off the books after next year we'd have enough to max Giannis... then by the time Sanders mess of a deal is off of the books we should be able to take care of Jabari (if he's worth giving a deal to at that point, obviously).

mlloyd10 · Post #4165 » by **mlloyd10** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:41 pm

Newz wrote:I will say the more that I look at our roster the more I hope we clear some cap at the deadline and maybe buyout Sanders. I think it would be real nice if we could clear up room to go after a guy like Wes Matthews. I'd like to watch something like:

Knight - Matthews - Middleton - Giannis - Henson next season... with Jabari coming off of the bench until he regains confidence and is ready for that role post-injury. Once Jabari is fully back then we could bring either Middleton or Matthews off of the bench.

Rather just insert Mayo into the starting lineup than pay 4/40(or more) for Matthews.

I'd rather throw money at Monroe(if we buy out Sanders)

Newz · Post #4166 » by **Newz** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:51 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
Newz wrote:I will say the more that I look at our roster the more I hope we clear some cap at the deadline and maybe buyout Sanders. I think it would be real nice if we could clear up room to go after a guy like Wes Matthews. I'd like to watch something like:

Knight - Matthews - Middleton - Giannis - Henson next season... with Jabari coming off of the bench until he regains confidence and is ready for that role post-injury. Once Jabari is fully back then we could bring either Middleton or Matthews off of the bench.

Rather just insert Mayo into the starting lineup than pay 4/40(or more) for Matthews.

I'd rather throw money at Monroe(if we buy out Sanders)

Yeah.

If I am building a team around Giannis and Jabari (which I think that's what this front office wants to do at this point) then I am getting as many quality floor spacers as possible. You want to open up room for those guys to operate and make teams pay when they try to collapse on them. Having two guys like Middleton and Matthews out on the wing and spotting up would make it incredibly difficult to double or give help... especially since Giannis and Jabari (pre-crippling) both showed that they were willing to pass the ball.

I also don't think Matthews game is built on a ton of athletic ability. Yeah, we'd likely only have him for four years and then we'd let him go or he'd be done... but I think he should still be pretty damn productive from 29-33.

mlloyd10 · Post #4167 » by **mlloyd10** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:52 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lodpzxh

Just for fun

Kings get: AA/Ilyasova/Knight
Bucks get: Williams/McLemore/Collison
Nuggets get: Nik

yoshii8 · Post #4168 » by **yoshii8** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:55 pm

It's amazing that some people are already declaring Stauskas not an NBA player. He's been given little to no playing time in a crappy situation in Sacramento. I thought he was really good at Michigan and still has a good chance to be a decent NBA player. I mean what is he 20-21 years old?

JustinCredible · Post #4169 » by **JustinCredible** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:57 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lodpzxh

Just for fun

That looks great for the Kings. I'm not sure Denver would do it and I don't really like it for the Bucks. Perfect move for Karl though.

JustinCredible · Post #4170 » by **JustinCredible** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:00 pm

yoshii8 wrote:It's amazing that some people are already declaring Stauskas not an NBA player. He's been given little to no playing time in a crappy situation in Sacramento. I thought he was really good at Michigan and still has a good chance to be a decent NBA player. I mean what is he 20-21 years old?

I think it is because his weakness is very difficult, if not impossible, to fix. Whoever he is guarding pretends to be Michael Jordan and just attacks the hell out of him. He gets destroyed on the defensive end and I'm not sure how you fix that (maybe scheme?).

He certainly has some upside on the offensive end and I'm intrigued to buy low, but I totally understand the detractors as well.

Eeavers57 · Post #4171 » by **Eeavers57** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:01 pm

yoshii8 wrote:It's amazing that some people are already declaring Stauskas not an NBA player. He's been given little to no playing time in a crappy situation in Sacramento. I thought he was really good at Michigan and still has a good chance to be a decent NBA player. I mean what is he 20-21 years old?

Shhh, quiet. We don't want Sacramento to hear you

mlloyd10 · Post #4172 » by **mlloyd10** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:01 pm

JustinCredible wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lodpzxh

Just for fun

That looks great for the Kings. I'm not sure Denver would do it and I don't really like it for the Bucks. Perfect move for Karl though.

Some nuggets fans said they would take nik for AA

How dont you like it for the bucks? We save money next season, get our SG of the future and we able to throw money at monroe

Collison has preformed pretty well this year

Collison/Middleton/Giannis/Parker/Monroe with McLemore/Mayo/Bayless/Henson of the bench

JustinCredible · Post #4173 » by **JustinCredible** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:06 pm

I don't love Knight but I do think he is the best player in that trade. I guess I don't know enough about McLemore but if this is the best we can get for Knight then it is better then giving him near max money.

ampd · Post #4174 » by **ampd** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:07 pm

Just a hypothetical:

What would jabari and 2 1st rounders fetch?

If we keep knight and middleton, if the front office decides jabari and giannis are both 4s, what could we get if we decided to go the celtics route and try to add a star using picks and either giannis or jabari?

not saying this is a good idea just wondering

mlloyd10 · Post #4175 » by **mlloyd10** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:08 pm

JustinCredible wrote:I don't love Knight but I do think he is the best player in that trade. I guess I don't know enough about McLemore but if this is the best we can get for Knight then it is better then giving him near max money.

Collison @ 4 mil oppose to Kngiht @ 12 - Is that really a tough choice? Plus we then draft Grant(hopefully) and make sure he is ready for the Championship push in 2016-2017

LUKE23 · Post #4176 » by **LUKE23** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:08 pm

We aren't landing Monroe either. I don't think he makes a lot of sense even if we could.

JustinCredible · Post #4177 » by **JustinCredible** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:09 pm

ampd wrote:Just a hypothetical:

What would jabari and 2 1st rounders fetch?

If we keep knight and middleton, if the front office decides jabari and giannis are both 4s, what could we get if we decided to go the celtics route and try to add a star?

not saying this is a good idea just wondering

I am actually concerned about Jabari's fit with this team. It would be spectacular if we would have ended up with Wiggins instead. That said, I don't think we would get what we should because it would be the ultimate 'sell low' move on Jabari with the injury.

jakecronus8 · Post #4178 » by **jakecronus8** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:09 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
Coulda been said a year ago. Stauskas is perfect buy low option. That Clippers pick will be in the 20's, possibly high 20s or 30 two years from now.

Except I was on the trade for McLemore train last year.

One is an NBA player and the other is not.

Since when is trading a 1st round pick "Buying Low"?

Mclemore was brutal last year too. I'm not ready to declare Stauskas a bust, barely 50 games into his career with spotty playing time and no defined role in a train wreck of a situation in Sacramento.

I also don't view the Clippers pick as much of an asset. Its gonna be between 20 and 30. I think Stauskas with a change of scenery and a real coach can help us now and in the future.

Furthermore, I'd probably trade the Clips pick just to clear Ersan's salary, since we're on the subject of guys who are not NBA players.

mlloyd10 · Post #4179 » by **mlloyd10** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:11 pm

LUKE23 wrote:We aren't landing Monroe either. I don't think he makes a lot of sense even if we could.

Yeah, who would want a 24 yr old PF/C that can score in the low post and put up 15/10

jakecronus8 · Post #4180 » by **jakecronus8** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:12 pm

ampd wrote:Just a hypothetical:

What would jabari and 2 1st rounders fetch?

If we keep knight and middleton, if the front office decides jabari and giannis are both 4s, what could we get if we decided to go the celtics route and try to add a star using picks and either giannis or jabari?

not saying this is a good idea just wondering

The only star player that the package could net us who is available would be Carmelo. Not a chance I'd do that though. Maybe Karl would want to jettison Boogie but I couldn't stomach cheering for Cousins.