Nerlens Noel Thread

wickedwrister · Post #441 » by **wickedwrister** » Fri Feb 6, 2015 2:29 pm

I think they shouldn't play Embiid this year. The gain of getting him a little run is offset by the loss of allowing his foot extra time to ensure that is fully healed. Ultimately I'm sure the Sixers will have multiple medical experts weighing in but my guess is he gets the Noel "get 100% healthy and then wait another 3 month" treatment.

BlackKnight · Post #442 » by **BlackKnight** » Fri Feb 6, 2015 2:37 pm

I'd prefer if he sat out the rest of the season, he could legitimately derail our tank job. The cost of us going from the 1-3 spot in the lottery to the 4-6 spot isn't worth the 8-10 games worth of experience he'd get.

Mogul · Post #443 » by **Mogul** » Fri Feb 6, 2015 2:45 pm

Even if he is 300 pounds, that's a mere 20 lbs overweight for him. Anyone actually think he is gonna play at 250? That's like Meyers Leonard / Jason Smith weight lol.

BoomBap · Post #444 » by **BoomBap** » Fri Feb 6, 2015 2:45 pm

i want to see him play for us, but i think its better to let him out for the rest of the season.

next season we will win the roy. embiid and our top 3 pick (D'Angelo Russell?!) will be so much fun.

freezito_74 · Post #445 » by **freezito_74** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 3:50 pm

12pts 7reb 3 steals 2 blocks, I'll take that stat line night in and night out. Rookie of the year no, but a game changer on def and contributing a little I'll take it. He will get bigger and stronger over the years but he's a freak and should be kept for years too come

DoctorJay · Post #446 » by **DoctorJay** » Sun Feb 8, 2015 6:10 pm

Honestly Nerlens has been awesome in my opinion this year. He was never ever gonna be an offensive force. His maximum offensive output for his career maybe 12-14ppg, but most likely he will stay around 10. Its his defensive impact that makes him so valuable and an elite player. The team is relatively worse worse on talent this season and is going to have a better record then last year. A huge factor of this improvement is Noel and his defensive presence.

76ciology · Post #447 » by **76ciology** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 5:23 am

DoctorJay wrote:Honestly Nerlens has been awesome in my opinion this year. He was never ever gonna be an offensive force. His maximum offensive output for his career maybe 12-14ppg, but most likely he will stay around 10. Its his defensive impact that makes him so valuable and an elite player. The team is relatively worse worse on talent this season and is going to have a better record then last year. A huge factor of this improvement is Noel and his defensive presence.

His offense will always be just a bonus. On the defensive end, I think he's really underrated. He's one of those rare guys in the league who have a huge positive impact on the defensive end.

Ericb5 · Post #448 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 6:31 pm

76ciology wrote:
DoctorJay wrote:Honestly Nerlens has been awesome in my opinion this year. He was never ever gonna be an offensive force. His maximum offensive output for his career maybe 12-14ppg, but most likely he will stay around 10. Its his defensive impact that makes him so valuable and an elite player. The team is relatively worse worse on talent this season and is going to have a better record then last year. A huge factor of this improvement is Noel and his defensive presence.

His offense will always be just a bonus. On the defensive end, I think he's really underrated. He's one of those rare guys in the league who have a huge positive impact on the defensive end.

Agreed. Plus he is doing everything right now at under 220 pounds. If he can get to 235-240 he should be a lot more dangerous, and I don't see why he won't get there. If Anthony Davis could do it, I think that Nerlens can.

Post #449 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Feb 9, 2015 7:04 pm

Noel:

Blocks Per Game
1.7 (10)
Block Pct
4.7 (9)
Defensive Box Plus/Minus
4.1 (4)
Steals Per game:
1.6 (19)
Steal Pct
2.7 (18)

Opponent fg% at rim:
46.8% (13th among players with 5 fga against, 10th at 6fga, 2nd(!) at 8 fga)

Versus Boston he had 3 bunnies where he had a reverse layup and he threw it over the hoop, instead of gently laying it in (or dunking). Those need to become makes, and I expect they will.

76ciology · Post #450 » by **76ciology** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:14 am

Ericb5 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
DoctorJay wrote:Honestly Nerlens has been awesome in my opinion this year. He was never ever gonna be an offensive force. His maximum offensive output for his career maybe 12-14ppg, but most likely he will stay around 10. Its his defensive impact that makes him so valuable and an elite player. The team is relatively worse worse on talent this season and is going to have a better record then last year. A huge factor of this improvement is Noel and his defensive presence.

His offense will always be just a bonus. On the defensive end, I think he's really underrated. He's one of those rare guys in the league who have a huge positive impact on the defensive end.

Agreed. Plus he is doing everything right now at under 220 pounds. If he can get to 235-240 he should be a lot more dangerous, and I don't see why he won't get there. If Anthony Davis could do it, I think that Nerlens can.

My guess is that we are going to limit his games near the end of the season while focusing on weight training and adding size and go the AD route.

76ers 2020 · Post #451 » by **76ers 2020** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:40 am

Maybe it isn't all that unusual and my perception is off but I am pretty surprised that Noel is this far into the season without fouling out of a game. Figured that would be the one issue due to his lack of experience. I was talking with a friend about him and noted how he is almost never in foul trouble. Checked ESPN and still hasn't fouled out. That and his rising ft% means he isn't going to be a late game liability. Did foul out of 2 preseason games regular season looks clean though.

76ersfan · Post #452 » by **76ersfan** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:49 pm

76ers 2020 wrote:Maybe it isn't all that unusual and my perception is off but I am pretty surprised that Noel is this far into the season without fouling out of a game. Figured that would be the one issue due to his lack of experience. I was talking with a friend about him and noted how he is almost never in foul trouble. Checked ESPN and still hasn't fouled out. That and his rising ft% means he isn't going to be a late game liability. Did foul out of 2 preseason games regular season looks clean though.

Very encouraging especially for how much he protects the rim for us on a nightly basis

FreesFro · Post #453 » by **FreesFro** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:22 pm

Freak of a game last night. PER keeps going up. Defense is sick. 4th or 5th in league in DBPM.

Tony Franciosa · Post #454 » by **Tony Franciosa** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:24 pm

76ers 2020 wrote:Maybe it isn't all that unusual and my perception is off but I am pretty surprised that Noel is this far into the season without fouling out of a game. Figured that would be the one issue due to his lack of experience. I was talking with a friend about him and noted how he is almost never in foul trouble. Checked ESPN and still hasn't fouled out. That and his rising ft% means he isn't going to be a late game liability. Did foul out of 2 preseason games regular season looks clean though.

I was actually really worried about this going into the season. It seems rare that a rookie big never gets into foul trouble, especially one whose primary purpose on the team is defense and shot blocking. Just shows how smart he is...

Ericb5 · Post #455 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:24 am

Tony Franciosa wrote:
76ers 2020 wrote:Maybe it isn't all that unusual and my perception is off but I am pretty surprised that Noel is this far into the season without fouling out of a game. Figured that would be the one issue due to his lack of experience. I was talking with a friend about him and noted how he is almost never in foul trouble. Checked ESPN and still hasn't fouled out. That and his rising ft% means he isn't going to be a late game liability. Did foul out of 2 preseason games regular season looks clean though.

I was actually really worried about this going into the season. It seems rare that a rookie big never gets into foul trouble, especially one whose primary purpose on the team is defense and shot blocking. Just shows how smart he is...

Agreed. It also shows how quick his hands are because he reaches in a lot.

I wonder if his weight disadvantage has made him foul less since he isn't able to body up to people that much.

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Post #456 » by **tk76** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:54 am

Agree. Noel operates in space. He rarely picks up fouls on shot blocking attempts. Most of his fouls are on reaching calls either trying to get a steal on a drive or while fronting. So when he does get into foul trouble all he has to do is go for less steals. It diminishes his impact a bit, but he remains a rim deterrent as long as he is on the floor. Not hugely surprising considering his style of play. I cannot think of beanpole centers who sere foul plagued. Did Camby ever get into foul trouble?

Post #457 » by **tk76** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:57 am

Interesting how Hinkie acquires "freaks." Players who are all world in some areas and glaringly bad in others. MCW with his rebounds but no shot. Nerlens for his steals/blocks but terrible offense. KJ with his freakish shot-blocking for a SG but otherwise below average toolset. None of these guys are completely one-dimensional like a Manute Bol, but it is interesting he chooses the one elite skill over more rounded players.

It does make it harder to measure a player. Someone like MCW puts up a combo of pts/reb/asst/stl that few historically can match... but the ones that do match were much better all around players (in the HOF.) Same with Noel with his blks/stl that bring up rare company.... but a rare company that also could drop 30 points. For example, look at the players who have ever put up 12/9/9/4 like Noel did. It has only happened 8 times since 1985. But 6 of those games the HOF palyer 9Hakeem or Robinson) scored 24-43 points. So is it really a comparison?: http://bkref.com/tiny/feRhR

76ciology · Post #458 » by **76ciology** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:02 am

tk76 wrote:Interesting how Hinkie acquires "freaks." Players who are all world in some areas and glaringly bad in others. MCW with his rebounds but no shot. Nerlens for his steals/blocks but terrible offense. KJ with his freakish shot-blocking for a SG but otherwise below average toolset. None of these guys are completely one-dimensional like a Manute Bol, but it is interesting he chooses the one elite skill over more rounded players.

It does make it harder to measure a player. Someone like MCW puts up a combo of pts/reb/asst/stl that few historically can match... but the ones that do match were much better all around players (in the HOF.) Same with Noel with his blks/stl that bring up rare company.... but a rare company that also could drop 30 points. For example, look at the players who have ever put up 12/9/9/4 like Noel did. It has only happened 8 times since 1985. But 6 of those games the HOF palyer 9Hakeem or Robinson) scored 24-43 points. So is it really a comparison?: http://bkref.com/tiny/feRhR

Superstars have "freak" attributes. And it's their most common attribute. Hinkie tries to get the most out of these guys then select who stays in the end.

GallagherArt · Post #459 » by **GallagherArt** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:20 am

We officially have the best defense in February thus far (97.0) and that is largely thanks to Noel anchoring it. For the month he has a DRtg of 92, a steal% of 3.2, and a block % of 8.1.

MountainDrew · Post #460 » by **MountainDrew** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:40 am

At this point, I don't think it is really a stretch to say he deserves the ROY. He's not going to get it, and I'm fine with that, but I feel like he has made a greater impact on the games than any other rookie has.