Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

raferfenix · Post #4301 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:07 pm

yoshii8 wrote:We should definitely be shopping Larry to the team who decided to give big money to Lance Stephenson. Maybe Jordan will bring in Rodman as a mentor for Sanders.

If the Bucks took back Stephenson maybe the Bobcats do this...

Not sure if it'd be worth it for our lockerroom though.

As for Zeller, do we have reason to believe he might be available?

Would be great to get a young center we don't need to cash out this summer.

Bucks4Milwaukee · Post #4302 » by **Bucks4Milwaukee** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:07 pm

Seen Ty Lawson sent on the trading block anymore... Really sucks, really good point guard I'd trade Knight for in a heartbeat.

MiltownHawkeye · Post #4303 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:18 pm

Ike wrote:
MiltownHawkeye wrote:I know this trade would never ever happen but, Middleton for Exum, do you do it?

Not a chance. Middleton is the better player.

And Jared Dudley is a better player than Andrew Wiggins.

CannondaleF400 · Post #4304 » by **CannondaleF400** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:47 pm

raferfenix wrote:
yoshii8 wrote:We should definitely be shopping Larry to the team who decided to give big money to Lance Stephenson. Maybe Jordan will bring in Rodman as a mentor for Sanders.

If the Bucks took back Stephenson maybe the Bobcats do this...

Not sure if it'd be worth it for our lockerroom though.

As for Zeller, do we have reason to believe he might be available?

Would be great to get a young center we don't need to cash out this summer.

Would think Charlotte is somewhat high on Zeller, but it looks like they want to make a playoff push this season. They are last in 3 pt % and Ersan would provide outside shooting and provide similar rebounding as Zeller.

UWM_Brew_Buck · Post #4305 » by **UWM_Brew_Buck** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:02 pm

Not really a fan of Stauskus he looks like a bust but if he only costs Ersan I'd be down. Wow can't believe anyone would not trade Middleton for Exum.

msiris · Post #4306 » by **msiris** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:07 pm

UWM_Brew_Buck wrote:Not really a fan of Stauskus he looks like a bust but if he only costs Ersan I'd be down. Wow can't believe anyone would not trade Middleton for Exum.

Thats what happens when you overvalue players. Middleton is a nice player but Exum could exceed Middleton easily.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #4307 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:08 pm

msiris wrote:
UWM_Brew_Buck wrote:Not really a fan of Stauskus he looks like a bust but if he only costs Ersan I'd be down. Wow can't believe anyone would not trade Middleton for Exum.
Thats what happens when you overvalue players. Middleton is a nice player but Exum could exceed Middleton easily.

Yeah, I'd trade Middleton in a heartbeat for Exum.

Exum and Knight is your back court of the future.

Exum adds playmaking skills, but has size to guard SGs. I think they'd be a perfect fit.

I had Exum 3rd on my draft board so I've been pretty high on him for awhile. Not concerned about his lack of production. He's a raw project like Giannis was and as soon as he gets his feel for the speed of the NBA game down, I think he'll make a huge jump from potential to production in year 2/3.

Bucks2585 · Post #4308 » by **Bucks2585** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:11 pm

msiris wrote:
UWM_Brew_Buck wrote:Not really a fan of Stauskus he looks like a bust but if he only costs Ersan I'd be down. Wow can't believe anyone would not trade Middleton for Exum.
Thats what happens when you overvalue players. Middleton is a nice player but Exum could exceed Middleton easily.

Easily how? Middleton is an outstanding shooter. Great defensive player. I sincerely doubt Exum every becomes the shooter Middleton is. Middleton a defense this year, maybe Exum could get to that point but it's not like he can get any higher. So the only thing would be driving making him a much better player. Considering how Middleton has been elite at defense and shooting so far this year and I doubt Exum ever gets to the level on either aspect that Middleton is playing at, I don't see your "easily" argument.

People need to stop with the "he's young so he lost get better." Just on the same team, Utah thought that about Trey Burke. Lottery picks bust all the time, and Exum is playing at a ridiculous level of bad. I really don't see the "easily" argument. He has to improve a ton just to be an average player.

TheWig · Post #4309 » by **TheWig** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:24 pm

I would easily trade Middleton for Exum. Our goal is to win a championship... We have to take risks in order to accomplish that.

imithanos · Post #4310 » by **imithanos** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:35 pm

Can we focus on a potential trade between Exum and Knight? :pray:

ampd · Post #4311 » by **ampd** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:35 pm

Middleton for Exum is a tough one. I actually think both Luke and Ike are right. Neither team considers it. I would have jumped all over this before the season started, but the way things have developed for our team, and for both Middleton and Exum, I keep Khris.

Dante hasn't just been bad, he's been a taller Austin Rivers. There's also the distinct possibility he's not a PG in the NBA either. However he was a project when they drafted him, and if you draft a guy knowing he's a project, I can't imagine why you'd give up on him after one season unless he has off the court issues like work ethic or something (which as far as I know isn't there).

Middleton has shown some iso ability, is a plus defender, and an excellent floor spacer. He's become a very good productive young player in his own right, and a big part of our team success.

In short, Exum is a lottery ticket. I think we passed the spending young productive assets to buy lottery tickets stage earlier than we expected, but its gone, at least for now.

raferfenix · Post #4312 » by **raferfenix** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:49 pm

Middleton is tailor made for the modern NBA with a development curve on a steep upward trajectory. I get not trading him even for a great prospect.

But who here wouldn't trade Knight for Exum?

It'd be a big short term hit but there are a lot more questions about Knight's future at this point than Middleton. Like is he really a championship caliber starting PG for this team.

If not, then we'll have two very expensive SG's duking it out for minutes for a long time.

Giannis Parker · Post #4313 » by **Giannis Parker** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:52 pm

Jazz are not trading Exum, Hayward and Exum is their back court of the future. With Favors at the 4 and Gobert at the 5, they are a 3 and 3 SF away from being set for the future at every slot.

Frank Nova · Post #4314 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:56 pm

TheWig wrote:I would easily trade Middleton for Exum. Our goal is to win a championship... We have to take risks in order to accomplish that.

No offense but that's a terrible philosophy. Turning assets into question marks isn't exactly the guaranteed recipe for success your claiming there... Trading a clear cut NBA player for someone that looks terrible but has hype around him is quite frankly the opposite of what winning a championship consists of. The Lakers trading Vlade for rookie Kobe might be the only example you may ever find that could validate your statement and they didn't win anything until Shaq came to town. Id love for you to elaborate..

msiris · Post #4315 » by **msiris** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:56 pm

Some of you act like Middleton is a great player. He will not make us a contender. He would be a nice player on a contending team, but we still need more to reach that level.

Frank Nova · Post #4316 » by **Frank Nova** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:07 pm

I wonder what Sam Presti thinks nowadays after turning James Harden into Jeremy Lamb and Steven Adams and saving himself 8million in cap space after it was all said and done. I'm not comparing Middleton to Harden but the premise of everyone's opinion seems to favor the same thing Presti had in mind as well and he looks like a total bozo for it.

ampd · Post #4317 » by **ampd** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:09 pm

msiris wrote:Some of you act like Middleton is a great player. He will not make us a contender. He would be a nice player on a contending team, but we still need more to reach that level.

He's a nice player for us. Dante would have to be a clear cut star to be a better player.

Khris can attack mismatches due to his size, play good defense, and shoot the 3 at an elite level.

Since being put back in the starting lineup he's been 14/5/2 on ~.61 TS%. Everything about his on/off, RAPM, RPM, etc is elite. If he scored a few more PPGZ he'd probably get some all star attention.

He's also 23 and not necessarily done improving either. On top of that he might even be underutilized now. I don't get wanting to trade him for pure upside / project player guys. I could maybe understand it if Khris was 29 instead of barely 23, but he's not.

Khris is a lottery ticket we hit on, and he's still young and likely not prohibitively expensive due to his box score stats. Trading him for another lottery ticket is bad asset management, not some principled move toward a championship. I understand when fans of other teams or national guys underrate him because of his draft position and the fact he plays for Milwaukee. I don't get it when Bucks fans do it.

CannondaleF400 · Post #4318 » by **CannondaleF400** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:26 pm

Remember the post-Redd Skiles teams when nobody could shoot? Please please keep Khris. Giannis, Parker, even Knight can control the ball, drive and kick out to him. Khris also doesn't seem to have the ego to complain about handling the ball and getting his own shots. Seems like an excellent team player.

msiris · Post #4319 » by **msiris** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:09 pm

CannondaleF400 wrote:Remember the post-Redd Skiles teams when nobody could shoot? Please please keep Khris. Giannis, Parker, even Knight can control the ball, drive and kick out to him. Khris also doesn't seem to have the ego to complain about handling the ball and getting his own shots. Seems like an excellent team player.

Will those four ever make us a true contender? I am not so sure.

JayMKE · Post #4320 » by **JayMKE** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:17 pm

Its a pointless discussion since the Jazz aren't trading Exum, why would they give up on him already? Exum was always a long term prospect, some people deluded themselves into thinking he was some sort of Kobe or Derrick Rose when the reality is that he merely has the tools and has to learn the game. He's one of those 2 years away from being 2 years away guys.