Trade Value of the Suns' point guards?

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Re: Trade Value of the Suns' point guards? 

Post#41 » by bleeds_purple » Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:36 am

What about a trade centered around Dragic for Gibson? Plumlee could be a throw in to keep front court depth for CHI and maybe CHI could send the top-10 protected SAC pick to PHX if more value needs to be added.

48 minutes of Dragic/Rose running the show would be deadly - I think that would easily make them the favorites in the East. Gibson would be the starting four in PHX, would be their best defensive big, and if all else fails could be traded later on for more picks if the PHX wanted to go that route.

The main roadblock would be whether CHI is willing to shell out to keep Dragic but moving Gibson's contract would help in that regard.
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Re: Trade Value of the Suns' point guards? 

Post#42 » by basketballwacko2 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:31 pm

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mlloyd10 wrote:Do Suns fans really think that they can get a a top 15 pick for Dragic? I just don't see it, plus i don't see a playoff team outside of the rockets that need a starting PG that has money?


Dragic is very good player, he isn't only a PG, also can play as SG.



He's also gonna be an unrestricted free agent.

I think this is the biggest road block to trading Dragic. If my team is not 100% sure we can resign him I'm not willing to give much. He's surely gonna opt out after the season. So the suns keep him and try to resign him or just take what you can get if you think he's gonna leave.

You could trade Thomas he might have a higher value. But the trade partner is gonna have to have a few things, 1, a need for a PG, 2, bigs to move, 3 the ability to resign him if we're talking Dragic and 4, be a contender or at least think they are. Not a lot of options for Dragic even though he's a really good player.

I'd like to have Dragic on the Pacers but the only think they really have to deal is hibbert and I don't see the suns wanting him. He's too slow. Plus how do you make the money work?
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Re: Trade Value of the Suns' point guards? 

Post#43 » by Leto » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:51 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:What about a trade centered around Dragic for Gibson? Plumlee could be a throw in to keep front court depth for CHI and maybe CHI could send the top-10 protected SAC pick to PHX if more value needs to be added.

48 minutes of Dragic/Rose running the show would be deadly - I think that would easily make them the favorites in the East. Gibson would be the starting four in PHX, would be their best defensive big, and if all else fails could be traded later on for more picks if the PHX wanted to go that route.

The main roadblock would be whether CHI is willing to shell out to keep Dragic but moving Gibson's contract would help in that regard.


Nope. Not going to trade Gibson for a rental. There is no way we can afford Dragic with Jimmy Butler's looming max deal. OTOH, we can afford Gibson at 8 mil for 3 years to play behind Noah and Gasol.
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Re: Trade Value of the Suns' point guards? 

Post#44 » by Orens » Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:37 am

bleeds_purple wrote:What about a trade centered around Dragic for Gibson? Plumlee could be a throw in to keep front court depth for CHI and maybe CHI could send the top-10 protected SAC pick to PHX if more value needs to be added.

48 minutes of Dragic/Rose running the show would be deadly - I think that would easily make them the favorites in the East. Gibson would be the starting four in PHX, would be their best defensive big, and if all else fails could be traded later on for more picks if the PHX wanted to go that route.

The main roadblock would be whether CHI is willing to shell out to keep Dragic but moving Gibson's contract would help in that regard.


Orens wrote:Dragic is an All-NBA guard who has proved his value to the Suns over the years. They want him back next season, regardless of any BS rumor that someone tweeted. by the way, the OP is aware that this offer doesn't even makes sense with what was rumored that the Suns would like to have. He offered the complete opposite of what he meant, but we'll get there later.
Even if trading Dragic was an option, the trade would leave us with a small backcourt of Isaiah Thomas and Eric Bledsoe, and another undersized PF who can't play Center and hasn't proved to be better than Markieff Morris - who is more than 4 years younger than him. The knock on Kieff is that he's a bit undersized, not athletic enough and has a limited ceiling as a result, but we consider him already better, and his contract is a bit cheaper in each and every year. There's not reason to pay 16-17M$ to two undersized PFs. Kieff has proved to be a bargain (Simmons just rated him 40# on his trade value rankings). Why bringing up an older player who doesn't compliment him?
And that brings me to the second point - in this scenario, we're not only trading Dragic for a player who doesn't fit any immediate need, but also for an older player. Yes, Gibson is not only a horrible fit, he's also one year OLDER than Dragic. In fact, he is one month younger than the Suns' oldest player (PJ Tucker). How is that sound for a rebuilding team?

So yeah, that offer doesn't make any reasonable sense for the Suns. We can counter with Mirotic and someone else who could actually fit us, but it still doesn't make enough sense to trade Dragic. That's just pointless.

By the way, Suns fans, feel free to copy+paste this next time a Dragon-Gibson offer shows up. And it will... :uhoh:
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Re: Trade Value of the Suns' point guards? 

Post#45 » by bleeds_purple » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:31 pm

Orens wrote:
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bleeds_purple wrote:What about a trade centered around Dragic for Gibson? Plumlee could be a throw in to keep front court depth for CHI and maybe CHI could send the top-10 protected SAC pick to PHX if more value needs to be added.

48 minutes of Dragic/Rose running the show would be deadly - I think that would easily make them the favorites in the East. Gibson would be the starting four in PHX, would be their best defensive big, and if all else fails could be traded later on for more picks if the PHX wanted to go that route.

The main roadblock would be whether CHI is willing to shell out to keep Dragic but moving Gibson's contract would help in that regard.


Orens wrote:Dragic is an All-NBA guard who has proved his value to the Suns over the years. They want him back next season, regardless of any BS rumor that someone tweeted. by the way, the OP is aware that this offer doesn't even makes sense with what was rumored that the Suns would like to have. He offered the complete opposite of what he meant, but we'll get there later.
Even if trading Dragic was an option, the trade would leave us with a small backcourt of Isaiah Thomas and Eric Bledsoe, and another undersized PF who can't play Center and hasn't proved to be better than Markieff Morris - who is more than 4 years younger than him. The knock on Kieff is that he's a bit undersized, not athletic enough and has a limited ceiling as a result, but we consider him already better, and his contract is a bit cheaper in each and every year. There's not reason to pay 16-17M$ to two undersized PFs. Kieff has proved to be a bargain (Simmons just rated him 40# on his trade value rankings). Why bringing up an older player who doesn't compliment him?
And that brings me to the second point - in this scenario, we're not only trading Dragic for a player who doesn't fit any immediate need, but also for an older player. Yes, Gibson is not only a horrible fit, he's also one year OLDER than Dragic. In fact, he is one month younger than the Suns' oldest player (PJ Tucker). How is that sound for a rebuilding team?

So yeah, that offer doesn't make any reasonable sense for the Suns. We can counter with Mirotic and someone else who could actually fit us, but it still doesn't make enough sense to trade Dragic. That's just pointless.

By the way, Suns fans, feel free to copy+paste this next time a Dragon-Gibson offer shows up. And it will... :uhoh:
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Obviously something like this would only go down if Dragic was for sure going to leave. And I posted that trade under that assumption. Consider that Gibson is also a piece that can be moved later on down the line since he has multiple years on his deal so it essentially buys you time on moving that asset if you don't find anything good for Dragic and don't want to match offers in the off-season. But if I'm running the Suns I'm moving Thomas - dude has been a net negative for your team.

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Re: Trade Value of the Suns' point guards? 

Post#46 » by brackdan70 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:34 pm

rein08 wrote:
cl2117 wrote:Ainge likes IT, I bet he would happily move a first for him, but I doubt it'd be one of their own or Brooklyn's so I don't know if it'd be enough to interest Phoenix.


Would the Clippers 2015 1st, Dallas' 2016 1st, and Marcus Smart net them Isaiah Thomas?


LOL, yes. but Ainge not doing that. The two firsts and absorb Thomas into a trade exception is best case for phoenix. I would guess Ainge would not offer that much either.
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Re: Trade Value of the Suns' point guards? 

Post#47 » by brackdan70 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:48 pm

rein08 wrote:The Phoenix Suns currently hold the 8th seed in a stacked Western Conference. In these past few games, Phoenix were somewhat unlucky with some losses coming from a buzzer beater. I don't know if they should retool but I'm intrigued what is the trade value of Dragic, Bledsoe, and Thomas. Goran Dragic obviously is the cream of the crop from the 3 guards. What can Phoenix get if they decide to let go of one of those 3 point guards?


Bledsoe has far and away the most value of the three. Is the best now and the biggest upside. He is not on the trade block I would assume unless some fool GM offers multiple lottery picks and or a really good young player. Just not happening. Bledsoe has a very high value.

Thomas has some value as he is on a team friendly contract and very productive offensive player. really his value is a mid to late first or other player that can help phoenix now and in the future.

Dragic has the least value because he is expiring, turning 29 in May. He is a solid NBA guard but really an average starting guard at best. Phoenix would be lucky to get a late first in a trade scenario.
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