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Post#841 » by Paradise » Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:41 pm

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The Nets are as active as ever, but they appear united against dealing just for the sake of dealing. If they’re going to move Lopez or Joe Johnson, they’ll want at least some token future assets and salary relief that could open up the possibility of Brooklyn becoming a free-agency player this summer and in 2016.4 The Nets surely noticed Mitch McGary’s strong play before the All-Star break, and that Steven Adams is out a few weeks with a broken hand. Lopez isn’t the cleanest fit in Oklahoma City, but it’s workable, and the Thunder are under massive pressure to win now.



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If King moved Lopez for McGary, Lamb, and Perkins I'd be beyond ecstatic.


McGary, Lamb, reroute Perkins to Charlotte for Lance

That's a massive overpay dude.

CHA wants to give away Lance. There's no need to give them a McGary as a prospect even though I think McGary is kinda overrated.
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Post#843 » by Prokorov » Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:48 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:That's a massive overpay dude.

CHA wants to give away Lance. There's no need to give them a McGary as a prospect even though I think McGary is kinda overrated.


i think he was saying we get lamb and mcgrary and then we reroute just perkins for lance.

either way, OKC isnt making the deal. I think the best we do from them is perkins and lamb. either way, its a move we need to make and make ASAP. we need these wins vs beatable teams right out of the gate. cant afford loses to teams like the lakers

we need to get denver on the phone and get hickson and afflolo somehow.
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Prokorov wrote:i think he was saying we get lamb and mcgrary and then we reroute just perkins for lance.

Oh ok.
either way, OKC isnt making the deal. I think the best we do from them is perkins and lamb. either way, its a move we need to make and make ASAP. we need these wins vs beatable teams right out of the gate. cant afford loses to teams like the lakers

we need to get denver on the phone and get hickson and afflolo somehow.

DEN reportedly wants a 1st rd pick for Afflalo.
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Post#846 » by Prokorov » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:27 pm

Mkdaman1818 wrote:This would be so beautiful

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pss63l7


Yes it would... and i think most here would easily get behind that move
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Mkdaman1818 wrote:This would be so beautiful

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pss63l7


Yes it would... and i think most here would easily get behind that move

I'd even be willing to part with bogdanovic if it means getting that haul
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Mkdaman1818 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Mkdaman1818 wrote:This would be so beautiful

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pss63l7


Yes it would... and i think most here would easily get behind that move

I'd even be willing to part with bogdanovic if it means getting that haul


absolutely. him and/or karasev.

the trade makes so much sense on so many levels. benefits us tax wise, cap wise, win now/make the playoffs wise, get younger, add prospects, balance the roster, get a guy fans can get behind, dump a bad contract...

so since it makes king clearly is super against it. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Post#849 » by Zachbretton » Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:01 pm

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Yes it would... and i think most here would easily get behind that move

I'd even be willing to part with bogdanovic if it means getting that haul


absolutely. him and/or karasev.

the trade makes so much sense on so many levels. benefits us tax wise, cap wise, win now/make the playoffs wise, get younger, add prospects, balance the roster, get a guy fans can get behind, dump a bad contract...

so since it makes king clearly is super against it. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Can't add Karasev to OKC, too much salary, they'd have to add in another player to make that work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ldowc88

The salary works but I think that's too much a lopsided haul on our part. Also, what's the incentive for the Hornets to take Perkins, just wondering. Obviously I see the angle that Perkins is an expiring and it's a way to move Lance, but do you really think that go that path?
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Post#850 » by Mkdaman1818 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:17 pm

Zachbretton wrote:
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Mkdaman1818 wrote: I'd even be willing to part with bogdanovic if it means getting that haul


absolutely. him and/or karasev.

the trade makes so much sense on so many levels. benefits us tax wise, cap wise, win now/make the playoffs wise, get younger, add prospects, balance the roster, get a guy fans can get behind, dump a bad contract...

so since it makes king clearly is super against it. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Can't add Karasev to OKC, too much salary, they'd have to add in another player to make that work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ldowc88

The salary works but I think that's too much a lopsided haul on our part. Also, what's the incentive for the Hornets to take Perkins, just wondering. Obviously I see the angle that Perkins is an expiring and it's a way to move Lance, but do you really think that go that path?


I think we'd have to move either bojan or karasev to charlotte as well. Either works with their salary. Boy I'd love to see this get done... http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lhs7nou
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Post#851 » by Zachbretton » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:45 am

Mkdaman1818 wrote:
Zachbretton wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
absolutely. him and/or karasev.

the trade makes so much sense on so many levels. benefits us tax wise, cap wise, win now/make the playoffs wise, get younger, add prospects, balance the roster, get a guy fans can get behind, dump a bad contract...

so since it makes king clearly is super against it. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Can't add Karasev to OKC, too much salary, they'd have to add in another player to make that work:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ldowc88

The salary works but I think that's too much a lopsided haul on our part. Also, what's the incentive for the Hornets to take Perkins, just wondering. Obviously I see the angle that Perkins is an expiring and it's a way to move Lance, but do you really think that go that path?


I think we'd have to move either bojan or karasev to charlotte as well. Either works with their salary. Boy I'd love to see this get done... http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lhs7nou


That's too much of a haul for the hornets... If a piece goes anywhere it goes to OKC, hornets are trying to dump Lance


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Post#852 » by Paradise » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:09 am

It's truly incredible how other Nets fans outside of RealGM worship Lopez. I like Brook alot, I want him to be great but his tenure with the franchise has run it's course. The reality is the 'Brooklyn' era is supposed to be something of excellence and clearly that hasn't happened so is it okay to settle for the likes of Lopez and D-Will? Guys who doesn't respect the fans, ownership and city enough to come out and play hard all need to go.

I don't want to trade Lopez at a crappy value, so I am willing to keep him IF we can't get anything of substance. But It's truly mind boggling how many fans still coddle him. Nets fans value him more than Knick fans value Melo at this point. It's ridiculous.
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Paradise wrote:It's truly incredible how other Nets fans outside of RealGM worship Lopez. I like Brook alot, I want him to be great but his tenure with the franchise has run it's course. The reality is the 'Brooklyn' era is supposed to be something of excellence and clearly that hasn't happened so is it okay to settle for the likes of Lopez and D-Will? Guys who doesn't respect the fans, ownership and city enough to come out and play hard all need to go.

I don't want to trade Lopez at a crappy value, so I am willing to keep him IF we can't get anything of substance. But It's truly mind boggling how many fans still coddle him. Nets fans value him more than Knick fans value Melo at this point. It's ridiculous.


I'm going to be blunt. I realized the truth about the Nets online fandom years ago. A lot of the opinions that you read from "another site" are the end result of a controlled effort, sponsored by the Nets front office, to influence the opinions amongst the few Net fans that care to discuss the woes of this garbage ass franchise online, via a specific blog. This has been going on well before the Brooklyn move, right around the time that Bruce Ratner entered the picture. Those Nets fans outside of RealGm who worship Brook are victims of a shrewd propaganda campaign, orchestrated primarily by Robert Windrem, a man who has made his living in the field of mainstream media news over the course of the last several decades. A man who is an expert, high level spin artist that will talk out of both sides of his mouth. A brought and paid for mouthpiece of the Brooklyn Nets who is nothing more than a tool for the front office in exchange for kickbacks. Any time that I suggested that, I was silenced, because they didn't want people to know the truth.

I've seen justifications for the Wallace trade, the Johnson trade, and a blatant attempt to downplay Mason Plumlee's ascendance that defy all realms of logic and the drones over there eat it up in order to remain in good favor. Reality says otherwise, which is why Plumlee was the only Net that truly represented this franchise during the AS break, and why Lopez's value is dog ****.

Outside of the online Net fandom, Lopez is a soft, injury prone one dimensional player that isn't worth trading for. Meanwhile, the drones worship Brook's weak play like the acts of a god.
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Post#854 » by kerry kittles » Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:54 pm

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Reading from multiple people over there that the only two players worth Lopez on OKC are Westbrook and Durant. That they wouldn't accept Ibaka for Durant is mind blowing. That they would renounce their fandom if Brook was traded to OKC for picks is embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed to be a Nets fan reading this garbage. No individual is above the team. We all have our players we like, dislike, etc. but you have to make the move that is best for the team. If that's not your line of thinking you're a Brook Lopez and Not a Nets fans.
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Post#855 » by F3LON » Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:33 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:It's truly incredible how other Nets fans outside of RealGM worship Lopez. I like Brook alot, I want him to be great but his tenure with the franchise has run it's course. The reality is the 'Brooklyn' era is supposed to be something of excellence and clearly that hasn't happened so is it okay to settle for the likes of Lopez and D-Will? Guys who doesn't respect the fans, ownership and city enough to come out and play hard all need to go.

I don't want to trade Lopez at a crappy value, so I am willing to keep him IF we can't get anything of substance. But It's truly mind boggling how many fans still coddle him. Nets fans value him more than Knick fans value Melo at this point. It's ridiculous.


I'm going to be blunt. I realized the truth about the Nets online fandom years ago. A lot of the opinions that you read from "another site" are the end result of a controlled effort, sponsored by the Nets front office, to influence the opinions amongst the few Net fans that care to discuss the woes of this garbage ass franchise online, via a specific blog. This has been going on well before the Brooklyn move, right around the time that Bruce Ratner entered the picture. Those Nets fans outside of RealGm who worship Brook are victims of a shrewd propaganda campaign, orchestrated primarily by Robert Windrem, a man who has made his living in the field of mainstream media news over the course of the last several decades. A man who is an expert, high level spin artist that will talk out of both sides of his mouth. A brought and paid for mouthpiece of the Brooklyn Nets who is nothing more than a tool for the front office in exchange for kickbacks. Any time that I suggested that, I was silenced, because they didn't want people to know the truth.

I've seen justifications for the Wallace trade, the Johnson trade, and a blatant attempt to downplay Mason Plumlee's ascendance that defy all realms of logic and the drones over there eat it up in order to remain in good favor. Reality says otherwise, which is why Plumlee was the only Net that truly represented this franchise during the AS break, and why Lopez's value is dog ****.

Outside of the online Net fandom, Lopez is a soft, injury prone one dimensional player that isn't worth trading for. Meanwhile, the drones worship Brook's weak play like the acts of a god.


My favorite is how he likes to sht on NJ fans and references the lack of ratings. Guess what, the Nets are in Brooklyn and no one is watching. We are behind the Sixers in ratings for gods sake. This team is boring as hell and it started with the push for the Euro's.

Why the hell would any GM pick Mirza over Gerald Green? Green made the second half of that season must see TV. I didnt care about the Wallace trade back then because it felt like we had finally hit a HR with an exciting young player. The decision to bring Mirza over wall already made by then. If you remember, the started the Mirza campaign before the season ended. It started with the Petrovic tribute threads, then the Mirza threads that he was close to Petrovics brother. The stories started to melt into each other until they became the same.

I wont put the link but google the article "Mirza Deja Vu All Over".

^ What a fcking joke. :lol: This is the equivalent of comparing Lopez to Wilt. Then they brought in AK who was washed up. I was on board for this but it's BKs job to know that the guy stopped caring about basketball. Then this year we brought over Bogs. The last 3 years we were limited in improving the team to only the Mini MLE. 3 years in a row we wasted it on a non impact Euro. Even the Jack trade was being sold by WindDUMB as the Karasev trade. Anyone with eyes could have told you that the Nets needed to add athletic players to the core of Lopez / DWill / Johnson. Instead they decided to go after all slavic players who cant run or jump at an NBA level.

Everything you said about Plumlee is soooooo true. They try to downplay him despite him being the 2nd best player on the team. The rest of the NBA recognizes Plumlee's talent and it was sweet how he used his all star platform to throw the soft players on the Nets under the bus and advocate getting Lance and Blatche on this team just like all of us here have been.
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Post#856 » by Zachbretton » Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:10 pm

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Well great... looks like nothing is happening at the moment :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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I cant wait for us to do nothing at the deadline and do nothing in the final "half" of the year thus missing the playoffs....
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Post#858 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:34 pm

F3LON wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:It's truly incredible how other Nets fans outside of RealGM worship Lopez. I like Brook alot, I want him to be great but his tenure with the franchise has run it's course. The reality is the 'Brooklyn' era is supposed to be something of excellence and clearly that hasn't happened so is it okay to settle for the likes of Lopez and D-Will? Guys who doesn't respect the fans, ownership and city enough to come out and play hard all need to go.

I don't want to trade Lopez at a crappy value, so I am willing to keep him IF we can't get anything of substance. But It's truly mind boggling how many fans still coddle him. Nets fans value him more than Knick fans value Melo at this point. It's ridiculous.


I'm going to be blunt. I realized the truth about the Nets online fandom years ago. A lot of the opinions that you read from "another site" are the end result of a controlled effort, sponsored by the Nets front office, to influence the opinions amongst the few Net fans that care to discuss the woes of this garbage ass franchise online, via a specific blog. This has been going on well before the Brooklyn move, right around the time that Bruce Ratner entered the picture. Those Nets fans outside of RealGm who worship Brook are victims of a shrewd propaganda campaign, orchestrated primarily by Robert Windrem, a man who has made his living in the field of mainstream media news over the course of the last several decades. A man who is an expert, high level spin artist that will talk out of both sides of his mouth. A brought and paid for mouthpiece of the Brooklyn Nets who is nothing more than a tool for the front office in exchange for kickbacks. Any time that I suggested that, I was silenced, because they didn't want people to know the truth.

I've seen justifications for the Wallace trade, the Johnson trade, and a blatant attempt to downplay Mason Plumlee's ascendance that defy all realms of logic and the drones over there eat it up in order to remain in good favor. Reality says otherwise, which is why Plumlee was the only Net that truly represented this franchise during the AS break, and why Lopez's value is dog ****.

Outside of the online Net fandom, Lopez is a soft, injury prone one dimensional player that isn't worth trading for. Meanwhile, the drones worship Brook's weak play like the acts of a god.


My favorite is how he likes to sht on NJ fans and references the lack of ratings. Guess what, the Nets are in Brooklyn and no one is watching. We are behind the Sixers in ratings for gods sake. This team is boring as hell and it started with the push for the Euro's.

Why the hell would any GM pick Mirza over Gerald Green? Green made the second half of that season must see TV. I didnt care about the Wallace trade back then because it felt like we had finally hit a HR with an exciting young player. The decision to bring Mirza over wall already made by then. If you remember, the started the Mirza campaign before the season ended. It started with the Petrovic tribute threads, then the Mirza threads that he was close to Petrovics brother. The stories started to melt into each other until they became the same.

I wont put the link but google the article "Mirza Deja Vu All Over".

^ What a fcking joke. :lol: This is the equivalent of comparing Lopez to Wilt. Then they brought in AK who was washed up. I was on board for this but it's BKs job to know that the guy stopped caring about basketball. Then this year we brought over Bogs. The last 3 years we were limited in improving the team to only the Mini MLE. 3 years in a row we wasted it on a non impact Euro. Even the Jack trade was being sold by WindDUMB as the Karasev trade. Anyone with eyes could have told you that the Nets needed to add athletic players to the core of Lopez / DWill / Johnson. Instead they decided to go after all slavic players who cant run or jump at an NBA level.

Everything you said about Plumlee is soooooo true. They try to downplay him despite him being the 2nd best player on the team. The rest of the NBA recognizes Plumlee's talent and it was sweet how he used his all star platform to throw the soft players on the Nets under the bus and advocate getting Lance and Blatche on this team just like all of us here have been.


Yeah, the Nets are dead last in the LEAGUE in ratings, but for years that shill would verbally trash and insult fans from NJ, as if it was our fault that the Nets couldn't succeed, and that everything would magically correct itself in Brooklyn. Now that the new car smell has eroded, the attempt to build a fanbase in NY is floundering. The Barclays has become the same situation that we saw in the Meadowlands and in Newark, you have fans of opposing teams drowning out the cheers from the Net faithfuls that still waste money buying tickets for Mikhail Prokhorov's joke of a product. People in NY aren't watching the Nets because they **** ing stink, and fans who actually cared have watched three seasons of the following:

1) a first rd defeat to an opponent that was riddled with injuries, and a game 7 loss on their homefloor where Brook Lopez was emasculated by Joakim Noah. Lopez has never been the same since. Let's also not forget Nate Robinson eating Deron "Dog" Williams' lunch. This was also a year where while the Nets did win a good bit of games, the product was kind of tough to watch with Wallace and Evans stinking up the floor.

2)a season where we saw some semblance of hope at the expense of our team's future, only to be quickly dashed by an atrocious start, a 1st rd victory that we barely squeaked by Toronto, and then to top it off the so called franchise player posts a fat ZERO in a playoff game against the Heat. Then, following after that, Jason Kidd, who knew damn well that this roster was headed nowhere with King and the Russians making awful moves, got himself kicked out of here to be apart of a quieter, better situation with young exciting players and a vision and plan in place. When Kidd said that the Nets didn't have a plan he was 100% correct. Lionel Hollins was a fool for taking this job. Compound that with King not even attempting to get some compensation for Pierce leaving, and you just have a mess of an offeason.

3)now, a season where they are flat out unwatchable.

This is all fanbase killing nonsense. In the end, the only fans that the Nets will have will be the same ones that they turned their backs on and have shills like Windrem spewing vitriol about on their sponsored blog. No one in New York cares about the Nets, when people discuss NY teams you hear Yankees, Giants, Knicks, Rangers, Islanders, Jets. Nets? Ah who cares.

Regarding the Euros, I want to be clear that i have no issue with European players, but the Nets' scouting is atrocious. Mirza was not worth acquiring at the expense of Gerald Green. Bojan to me isn't as good as I thought he was, but I am willing to see if he can turn a corner in the NBA arena. I'm done with Karasev. AK47 not only brought bad press onto the team for the clear under the table nonsense that went on to acquire him, only to have him miss a ton of games and then come into this season not even being able to contribute.

Favoritism towards Euro players that cannot perform, an unwillingness to make moves to salvage the season, and all three of the max players going to complete crap all at once is the death nail. I also believe that the attempt to influence opinion about Mirza, Bojan, and Sergey was mandated by the Nets FO and Windumb, the Kickback King, along with his shady cohorts ran with it. Talking about some horse **** that the Nets are modeling themselves after the Spurs. The Spurs don't make stupid, franchise killing moves so I dunno who those clowns are trying to fool.

While I do not hate Prokhorov, his absentee ownership and clearly being NBA dumb enough to let a bunch of jackasses blow through his money like Sam Rothstein's wife Ginger on a cocaine binge deserves criticism, but you'll never see that. Irina Pavolva gets her ass kissed by Windumb when she is nothing but a rude, uppity bitch. It's hilarious, but sadly it is working because you have drones repeating the same nonsense he was saying about Mason Plumlee, who is our only player worth a damn, while singing the praises of Lopez, who can't be bothered to play hard every night and thinking that he's worth a Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka. :crazy:

Any jackass that can sit there after King trades the 6th pick in the draft in a panic move to acquire a washed up SF(that was out of the rotation in Portland and was rapidly declining the last two seasons PRIOR to the deal) and tells everyone "it was worth it to acquire his bird rights" is clearly attempting to do damage control on behalf of the front office. Don't think for a second that the pick swaps weren't known prior to fans finding out on their own either.
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Post#859 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:49 pm

I cant fathom that we arent being more aggressive looking for a trade or that we wont make a trade. I'm already beyond pissed we didnt take the denver or OKC offers. both were slight overpays were we would have gotten great value.

Lopez not being traded before the deadline will be the most depressing thing ive witnessed as a fan since petro's death and buck williams being traded.
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Re: Woj: Nets/Hornets end talks; Denver offers McGee, Hickson, 1st Rnd Pick for Brook (UPDATE: Page 37) 

Post#860 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:54 pm

It is starting to feel like no move will be made.... man... we suck.
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