Nuggets Make Afflalo, Foye, Nelson Available In Trade Discussions

[Canadafan]

Get all 3. Chandler Lawson Afflalo.

[mattao313]

If we got Lawson we would then have the one two punch of Greg and Ty the DUI bros.

[DocRI]

FWIW, I'd be hesitant to import half the starting lineup of a team we have a better record than. I mean, can you really take the back court of one lottery team, combine it with the bigs from another, and boom, playoffs? Would the Detroit Nuggets / Denver Pistons really be that good?

That said, a slightly different question — with all the talk of trading for Afflalo being "a rental" due to his PO, if we really want him, why not wait for free agency (assuming he opts out, which seems highly likely)? He's played SF before and we could probably get away with KCP and Afflalo at the wings if we've got the twin towers of Moose and Dre behind them. Most of all, he's a great fit for SVG's offense and will probably be MUCH cheaper than the top SFs on the market this summer (forget Leonard and Butler, he'd probably be cheaper than Tobias Harris).

[joedumars1]

FWIW, I'd be hesitant to import half the starting lineup of a team we have a better record than. I mean, can you really take the back court of one lottery team, combine it with the bigs from another, and boom, playoffs? Would the Detroit Nuggets / Denver Pistons really be that good?

That said, a slightly different question — with all the talk of trading for Afflalo being "a rental" due to his PO, if we really want him, why not wait for free agency (assuming he opts out, which seems highly likely)? He's played SF before and we could probably get away with KCP and Afflalo at the wings if we've got the twin towers of Moose and Dre behind them. Most of all, he's a great fit for SVG's offense and will probably be MUCH cheaper than the top SFs on the market this summer (forget Leonard and Butler, he'd probably be cheaper than Tobias Harris).

If we released Josh before the season we probably would be in Playoffs. The Nuggets are in West and we are in the East different competition, our coach is better than there's, I believe he has lost that team too, so yea we probably would make the playoffs

[AussieAsh13]

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Some of you guys don't realize it, but Brandon JEnnings potential as a top PG is over. Your never the same after a Achilles tear, and i really think that little loss of explosiveness and quickness is going to make a difference for a pg his size. It really bums me out because he was on his way to becoming a pretty damn good pg. you just don't see many come back the same

I can't see Jennings doing much for the Pistons next year. Jerebko is a recent example - he sucked his first year back, and really has become a different player since then. My guess is that by the time Jennings has regained full confidence in his body, his contract will be up. So unfortunate.[/quote]

There are a few things in Jennings favour that give me hope for where he's at:
1) We have an amazing fitness and training staff
2) He has timed it perfectly, assuming he has no setbacks he will have 2 months prior to a full pre-season, that should give him max time to get ready for next season
3) I wouldn't consider him a player that has relied on athleticism.. yes he relies on being quick, but not being a jumping jack (Drummond), or like LeBron
4) Kobe Bryant
5) He's still young
6) He seems like a determined little guy


Now to go a little more on topic here, the only players we should think about IMO are:
Afflalo
Gallo
Chandler

However I also think we should hang up the phone the second they say draft pick

[Canadafan]

That said, a slightly different question — with all the talk of trading for Afflalo being "a rental" due to his PO, if we really want him, why not wait for free agency (assuming he opts out, which seems highly likely)? He's played SF before and we could probably get away with KCP and Afflalo at the wings if we've got the twin towers of Moose and Dre behind them. Most of all, he's a great fit for SVG's offense and will probably be MUCH cheaper than the top SFs on the market this summer (forget Leonard and Butler, he'd probably be cheaper than Tobias Harris).[/quote]

Even if we traded for him and he opted out, we could still sign him. I'd rather benefit from getting him now no?

[Billl]

There really is no upside to getting affalo back. He's essentially the same player as KCP right now, just older. If you play them together, they would be undersized. Any talk of them being backed up by "twin towers" is pretty meaningless considering how poor our defense is already. Our bigs have enough trouble making normal rotations, let alone covering for constant mismatches.

[BadMofoPimp]

There really is no upside to getting affalo back. He's essentially the same player as KCP right now, just older. If you play them together, they would be undersized. Any talk of them being backed up by "twin towers" is pretty meaningless considering how poor our defense is already. Our bigs have enough trouble making normal rotations, let alone covering for constant mismatches.

Afflalo is a helluva lot more efficient offensively than KCP any day of the week. He can pass, score, rebound better than KCP. Plus, he is solid on Defense. This would be a definite upgrade at the SG position. Thus, I think if the Pistons trade for Afflalo, one of them should move to SF.

[theBigLip]

The time to have gotten AA was when he was on Orlando. Or even better yet, to have never given him away to Denver in the first place - thanks Joe

But these are the type of trades that are not likely to help us. If we are trading real assets, lets get a real SF. But unfortunately, we don't have too many assets, and SVG is smartly hanging on to draft picks. This is most likely going to be a very, very quite trade deadline for us. Our activity will start this summer working on free agents. I like the guys SVG brought on to stabilize the team. Next year will be more interesting, hopefully getting a good SF on the roster.

[treefi]

Yeah... I'm certainly hoping Jennings makes a full recovery and continues his rise, but I wouldn't bank on it.

Anyway, I've been a HUGE Afflalo fan since we drafted him. I was mad as hell we gave him away and every year since I've come up with a dozen or so trades for us to get him back. I'd still love to have him. I'd also give up considerably more than the rest of the board... with certain provisions.

I'd part with a 1st rounder IF it's top 20 protected and AA agrees to sign a reasonable extension. The age thing doesn't bother me. You don't need every guy on the roster to be fresh outa high school to be a rebuilding team and the guy still has a solid 3-5 yrs left in him. But giving away assets for a half-season rental is stupid unless you are a legit title contender.

If we're parting with a 1st rounder I'd go after Dragic first...

I have been a fan of Afflalo since we drafted him too. No idea why we got rid of him so quickly. I also thought the same about Amir and Knight. Middleton's success surprised me, I saw nothing more than a solid bench guy.

[Cowology]

There really is no upside to getting affalo back. He's essentially the same player as KCP right now, just older. If you play them together, they would be undersized. Any talk of them being backed up by "twin towers" is pretty meaningless considering how poor our defense is already. Our bigs have enough trouble making normal rotations, let alone covering for constant mismatches.

AA is vastly superior to KCP in pretty much every conceivable way. And I'd have NO problems running them out there together in a "smallish" lineup. Talk about size all you want, but that is still a significant upgrade defensively over anything we currently have on our roster and even compared to the rest of the league you are still talking above average. Or do you really think we'll have to cover for AA/KCP more than we do Meeks/Singler?

[theBigLip]

There really is no upside to getting affalo back. He's essentially the same player as KCP right now, just older. If you play them together, they would be undersized. Any talk of them being backed up by "twin towers" is pretty meaningless considering how poor our defense is already. Our bigs have enough trouble making normal rotations, let alone covering for constant mismatches.

AA is vastly superior to KCP in pretty much every conceivable way. And I'd have NO problems running them out there together in a "smallish" lineup. Talk about size all you want, but that is still a significant upgrade defensively over anything we currently have on our roster and even compared to the rest of the league you are still talking above average. Or do you really think we'll have to cover for AA/KCP more than we do Meeks/Singler?

I'd say you're correct that AA > KCP, but their age still comes into question. At some point, KCP will be as good as AA, and again, at some point, KCP will be better than AA, just because of the age factor. So if KCP = AA in 2015-16, then we shouldn't bother getting AA (unless it costs us little). But I'm fine running with KCP - between him and Meeks, we have a reasonable rotation at SG. We really need a legit SF.

[Cowology]

Damn you and your logic! My love for AA will never die! I'll run him at friggin PF after Monroe leaves if I have to, but he WILL be a Piston again!

[DocRI]

Even if we traded for him and he opted out, we could still sign him. I'd rather benefit from getting him now no?

I'm sorry, but depending upon the cost, no. If we pay literally nothing for him, sure, enjoy the benefits of AA on our team for the playoff push. But SVG's eyes are correctly on the big picture, and even if Afflalo commits to re-signing here the second we trade for him, it's bad long-term strategy to give up assets for a player we could get for nothing this summer. Simplified, assuming DEN's reported asking price is true, signing AA as a free agent and keeping all our future first round draft picks >>> sacrificing a pick to have AA for the rest of this season.

[MotownMadness]

AA has actually been pretty bad this year, sporting a PER of 11.7 and shooting 33% from 3. For comparison KCP has a PER of 10.5 and shooting around 35% from 3. Afflalo also has a higher USG%.

He's still more reliable I'm sure because of experience and the game just flows more natural with vets then young players but no way I'm trading a 1st for AA. AA does have a career shooting percentages of 45fg% and 38% from 3. But he didn't really break out until he was 26 and now has a big decline at the age of 29. Don't know the reasoning behind it for sure but I'm not risking a 1st to find out.

[Billl]

There really is no upside to getting affalo back. He's essentially the same player as KCP right now, just older. If you play them together, they would be undersized. Any talk of them being backed up by "twin towers" is pretty meaningless considering how poor our defense is already. Our bigs have enough trouble making normal rotations, let alone covering for constant mismatches.

AA is vastly superior to KCP in pretty much every conceivable way. And I'd have NO problems running them out there together in a "smallish" lineup. Talk about size all you want, but that is still a significant upgrade defensively over anything we currently have on our roster and even compared to the rest of the league you are still talking above average. Or do you really think we'll have to cover for AA/KCP more than we do Meeks/Singler?

Have you seen AA play this year? AA put up decent numbers in orlando when he was the only offensive option on the team, but he's been quite mediocre in Denver. KCP is shooting better from distance on a higher volume. He's also getting more steals and has lower turnovers.

And comparisons to Singler are really besides the point. Unless you are proposing AA as a just a half year rental, the comparison needs to be AA vs a real small forward we could go after with $8 million we would be paying AA. We shouldn't even be considering locking in a team where guys are constantly playing out of position.