Amar'e Bought Out

[Rasho Brezec]

Keep their draft picks and develop their own players. That's how you put yourself in a position to win.

The only teams with rosters that I see fit into your formula are Chicago and Golden State. Chicago drafted well with Rose, Butler, and Noah, but they were STILL looking to add a player like Melo in FA, and missed out. Golden State drafted the Splash Brothers, Barnes, and Draymond Green, but the rest of their team is stocked with players they traded for (Bogut, Iguodala.

If we kept our picks and developed players like Chandler, Gallo, and Lee, each of them have missed significant time due to injury. We very well could be the Sixers with year after year of lottery picks and still have nothing to show for it. I agree we shouldn't be dealing picks like we have historically, but I don't think just keeping the picks and developing young players is the silver bullet. We need a little luck too.

Naturally you have to have a blend. The Knicks have zero, not only do they not keep their free agent signings they dont keep their drafted players either.

Think about it....there's only TWO players from the 54 win season on the team currently. And thats just two years ago.

And that blend can only come if the first condition is met, the one I talked about above. That's what I meant by puting yourself in a position to win. Every contender follows this model, not just Golden State and Chicago.

You can have capspace and develop your young players at the same time, you can even trade some of them if the price is right. But you can't have a firesale and put all of your eggs in free agency and superstar trades by mortgaging your future. The CBA makes it unsustainable.

[NoLayupRule]

has the official buyout #'s come out yet? How much did Amare leave on the table to go to Dallas?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/spearsnbayahoo/status/567430186937753600[/tweet]

classy move

hes gonna make that in his new deal probably and this might be the thing that keeps us from the repeater tax

[mpharris36]

classy move, because he isn't going to lose any money, after siginging his league min deal of 1.8 million?

Amare came to the Knicks about a buyout, the classy move was made by Phil for granting his request.

[Rasho Brezec]

He gave up 2% of the money he signed for. He missed 31% of the regular-season games. That's not class, that's audacity.

[god shammgod]

He gave up 2% of the money he signed for. He missed 31% of the regular-season games. That's not class, that's audacity.

he got that same amount back on his new contract. so really he gave up nothing.

[mpharris36]

He gave up 2% of the money he signed for. He missed 31% of the regular-season games. That's not class, that's audacity.

he got that same amount back on his new contract. so really he gave up nothing.

correct, so any one calling amare class for taking less money is ridiculous. Dude wanted out to go hard for a few games in the playoffs to get more money on a future contract. He didnt' care about doing the knicks a "favor".

[Thugger HBC]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

[br7knicks]

knicks asked you to play defense, you refused.

knicks should've refused your request for a buyout.

you brought excitement for 1 year, headaches for the next 4. at least you had a good attitude. don't let the fire extinguisher hit you on the way out.


shouldve made you wait out your bad contract just as the knicks were ready to wait it out for their poor decision to give it to you

[god shammgod]

here's an interesting tidbit

Stoudemire, spending the All-Star break at his Miami beach house, believes he can experience the same renaissance in Dallas as Chandler has in a triangle-free environment.

http://nypost.com/2015/02/16/knicks-finalize-amare-request-to-leave-praise-his-desire-to-win/

my sources had this 1st

[god shammgod]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

i don't really care if he gave anything back or not but almost everyone does that when they're bought out. they all give back the amount of the new contract.

[mpharris36]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/StevePopper/status/567701367801016320[/tweet]

still says NBA teams have interest in Calderon if Phil wants to move him. The question would be if Dragic is going off the market, and phil is targeting a big in the draft and then another big and 2 guard in FA. Unless the offer is a decent one maybe he see's value in keeping Calderon.

I'm sure that is the big discussion right now.

[mpharris36]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

if he didn't take any reduction what is the incentive for the knicks to grant his request?

why would the knicks grant his request for him to sign another contract to make more money, when he wanted out?

[mugzi]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

And we didn't have to let him out of that awful contract he never earned. Don't act like he was a martyr. I'm glad he's gone but he's lucky Phil didnt hold his feet to the fire.

[god shammgod]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

And we didn't have to let him out of that awful contract he never earned. Don't act like he was a martyr. I'm glad he's gone but he's lucky Phil didnt hold his feet to the fire.

phil wouldn't do that, that looks bad. the veteran going gives back the amount of the new contract and the team lets him go compete for a championship to show that they're a class organization. it's all standard operating procedure.

[Thugger HBC]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

And we didn't have to let him out of that awful contract he never earned. Don't act like he was a martyr. I'm glad he's gone but he's lucky Phil didnt hold his feet to the fire.

phil wouldn't do that, that looks bad. the veteran going gives back the amount of the new contract and the team lets him go compete for a championship to show that they're a class organization. it's all standard operating procedure.

Unless you're Ron Artest, the man who said he'd play for free, yet signed for the mini mid level.

[bigfnjoe96]

Boy the Amare hate is strong within the "Force" The man signed a contract that was offered to him. We could have kept it moving in 2010 if the FO really had worries about his knees, but we didn't. The man wanted to come to NY. He wasn't scared of the bright lights. Other players talk a good game about NYC & The Garden, but Amare came here and took on the challenge of trying to bring this franchise back to respectability. Yet he get's **** on for what everyone knew was probably gonna happen. His knees wouldn't hold up more than 2-3 years.

Yes dude did selfish **** while here ( Hurting his back before game-1 of the 2010 playoffs) (Punching the fire extinguisher the following year) but the dude also bust his ass to make it back on the court. People keep saying he didn't earn his contract, yet he played about 63% of his games in a knick uniform. He avaeraged about 17 & 8 as Knick.

The bottom line is our FO ****, but let's kill Amare for signing here and unfortunately not live up to the fan base expectations all because of his salary...

[mugzi]

Sham, you may be right, but where does that get us in the offseason? Does that really matter? Free agents are still going to use us to drive up their price and 2nd tier guys are gonna try to juice us big time. At the end of the day, most free agents dont want NY because of the media, the pressure and the onerous state tax and high cost of living. Short of Phil coming back to coach, I just feel like we're going to have to overpay to get any talent here.

[Thugger HBC]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

And we didn't have to let him out of that awful contract he never earned. Don't act like he was a martyr. I'm glad he's gone but he's lucky Phil didnt hold his feet to the fire.

He wasnt a matyr, no was he a villian. he accepted money that was offered, money no one else guaranteed to offer.

And he gave a little back to the Knicks, what he signs elsewhere doesnt change that fact no matter how it's read.

[Jeff Van Gully]

players have double-dipped before. it's a courtesy on both ends. it didn't have to be this way for both sides. the knicks get a roster spot and save a little cash. STAT gets a head start on life after the knicks. not sure what the problem is.

[mugzi]

He didn't have to take any reduction. He did, the Knicks benefit from that even if it's a small amount.

And we didn't have to let him out of that awful contract he never earned. Don't act like he was a martyr. I'm glad he's gone but he's lucky Phil didnt hold his feet to the fire.

He wasnt a matyr, no was he a villian. he accepted money that was offered, money no one else guaranteed to offer.

And he gave a little back to the Knicks, what he signs elsewhere doesnt change that fact no matter how it's read.

He was the product of Dolan meddling, a foolish contract and a fool when he punched that fire extinguisher, Im looking forward to getting a PF that can play a shred of defense.