Amar'e Bought Out

[Rasho Brezec]

Boy the Amare hate is strong within the "Force" The man signed a contract that was offered to him. We could have kept it moving in 2010 if the FO really had worries about his knees, but we didn't. The man wanted to come to NY. He wasn't scared of the bright lights. Other players talk a good game about NYC & The Garden, but Amare came here and took on the challenge of trying to bring this franchise back to respectability.

Nonsense. He came to NYC for the guaranteed money nobody else was offering him. Nothing else.

[god shammgod]

Sham, you may be right, but where does that get us in the offseason? Does that really matter? Free agents are still going to use us to drive up their price and 2nd tier guys are gonna try to juice us big time. At the end of the day, most free agents dont want NY because of the media, the pressure and the onerous state tax and high cost of living. Short of Phil coming back to coach, I just feel like we're going to have to overpay to get any talent here.

everything you said is true. we're likely gonna overpay because it's the only way they'll come here.

just hope we draft a stud. because if you have melo and a great rookie, it won't be the end of the world if you overpay your 3rd and/or 4th best players. the knicks need a lillard situation where the rookie comes in and changes the whole team. that's our best hope.

[Thugger HBC]

And we didn't have to let him out of that awful contract he never earned. Don't act like he was a martyr. I'm glad he's gone but he's lucky Phil didnt hold his feet to the fire.

He wasnt a matyr, no was he a villian. he accepted money that was offered, money no one else guaranteed to offer.

And he gave a little back to the Knicks, what he signs elsewhere doesnt change that fact no matter how it's read.

He was the product of Dolan meddling, a foolish contract and a fool when he punched that fire extinguisher, Im looking forward to getting a PF that can play a shred of defense.

Amare had nothing to do with Dolan other than cutting the check. I do find it odd that every poor move is pinned squarely on Dolan.

Even when Dolan tried to pin credit...Amare himself denied it.

Walsh signed Amare.

[Workforce250]

has the official buyout #'s come out yet? How much did Amare leave on the table to go to Dallas?

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classy move

hes gonna make that in his new deal probably and this might be the thing that keeps us from the repeater tax

[mugzi]

Sham, you may be right, but where does that get us in the offseason? Does that really matter? Free agents are still going to use us to drive up their price and 2nd tier guys are gonna try to juice us big time. At the end of the day, most free agents dont want NY because of the media, the pressure and the onerous state tax and high cost of living. Short of Phil coming back to coach, I just feel like we're going to have to overpay to get any talent here.

everything you said is true. we're likely gonna overpay because it's the only way they'll come here.

just hope we draft a stud. because if you have melo and a great rookie, it won't be the end of the world if you overpay your 3rd and/or 4th best players. the knicks need a lillard situation where the rookie comes in and changes the whole team. that's our best hope.

Word, to me the most NBA ready are Okafor and Russel. But I like KAT on a 3yr window, but as long as it's the Melo show we dont have that kind of time to develop a player.

[mpharris36]

an act of graciousness? is that serious? I am one of the most positive posters on this board and that is ludicrous. He wanted out too get more $$$ on his next contract. It wasn't out of the kindness of his heart...gimme a break with that.

[mugzi]

Amare had nothing to do with Dolan other than cutting the check. I do find it odd that every poor move is pinned squarely on Dolan.

Even when Dolan tried to pin credit...Amare himself denied it.

Walsh signed Amare.

That seems revisionist to me, no one else in the league was offering Amare 5yrs guaranteed at 100 mil, so Walsh who was regarded as a solid executive is going to bid against himself? That move had Dolan written all over it, just like the Melo trade when he stepped in and ponied up Moz.

I'll agree to disagree on this one.

[mugzi]

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classy move

hes gonna make that in his new deal probably and this might be the thing that keeps us from the repeater tax

You should've kept your last comment comparing Amare haters to sociopaths, that was a brilliant deduction.

[br7knicks]

Sham, you may be right, but where does that get us in the offseason? Does that really matter? Free agents are still going to use us to drive up their price and 2nd tier guys are gonna try to juice us big time. At the end of the day, most free agents dont want NY because of the media, the pressure and the onerous state tax and high cost of living. Short of Phil coming back to coach, I just feel like we're going to have to overpay to get any talent here.

this is how i feel about FA coming to NY. they'll never get the best (lebron) because guys like him are scared to be scrutinized like this. that's one of the only things i like about melo. he was willing to take on the pressure of being in NY. guys like lebron, howard, etc. would never make it in NY. they're too mentally weak.

[Thugger HBC]

Amare had nothing to do with Dolan other than cutting the check. I do find it odd that every poor move is pinned squarely on Dolan.

Even when Dolan tried to pin credit...Amare himself denied it.

Walsh signed Amare.

That seems revisionist to me, no one else in the league was offering Amare 5yrs guaranteed at 100 mil, so Walsh who was regarded as a solid executive is going to bid against himself? That move had Dolan written all over it, just like the Melo trade when he stepped in and ponied up Moz.

I'll agree to disagree on this one.

Amare denied he was recruited by Dolan's people....thats a fact stated in Amare first press conference. i realize people think walsh is holier than Jesus, but he sucked donkeys ass here.

[mugzi]

Amare had nothing to do with Dolan other than cutting the check. I do find it odd that every poor move is pinned squarely on Dolan.

Even when Dolan tried to pin credit...Amare himself denied it.

Walsh signed Amare.

That seems revisionist to me, no one else in the league was offering Amare 5yrs guaranteed at 100 mil, so Walsh who was regarded as a solid executive is going to bid against himself? That move had Dolan written all over it, just like the Melo trade when he stepped in and ponied up Moz.

I'll agree to disagree on this one.

Amare denied he was recruited by Dolan's people....thats a fact stated in Amare first press conference. i realize people think walsh is holier than Jesus, but he sucked donkeys ass here.

Im not disagreeing with your Walsh opinion, I wasnt a big fan of him, any1 was better then Isiah but I didnt like Walsh draft acumen, especially taking Hill over Ty Lawson in that draft, I was pounding the table for Ty Lawson that year. And I never liked the Gallo pick that much, I liked Kevin Love and wanted to see Walsh move up for him. I just still dont think Walsh was the 100% shot caller on that STAT contract

[Deeeez Knicks]

At least we know Amare won't be back. Thats really the only thing to take away from this. It really is just best for everyone for Amare to move on. And best for the franchise to move on. The new era begins next season.

[dpgcdr]

It makes you appreciate Allan Houston more. At least he didn't ask for a buyout to chase a ring. Will this blow up in his face when the Mavs get eliminated in the first round? If the Knicks win a title in a next few years, I hope he is not mentioned anywhere in those talks.

[bigfnjoe96]

Nonsense. He came to NYC for the guaranteed money nobody else was offering him. Nothing else.

Really. Phoenix was offering him guaranteed money. What Phoenix wasn't willing to do was guarantee the full 5 years.

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[Workforce250]

If you feel singled out, that's on you.
But the fact is that the hate for Stat is stupid. He got signed, played well and began breaking down. There is nothing that I have seen from the man that says: he was a distraction, a degenerate, or didn't care about the team.

I read trade Melo and keep Prigioni nonsense, pick up Larry Sanders stupidity, and other posts that has me scratching my dam head. Some dudes here on the Knicks board are either mad young, have hate or post just
to keep the noise in their heads from exploding.

[god shammgod]

It makes you appreciate Allan Houston more. At least he didn't ask for a buyout to chase a ring. Will this blow up in his face when the Mavs get eliminated in the first round? If the Knicks win a title in a next few years, I hope he is not mentioned anywhere in those talks.

he didn't really have a choice to go to the real top teams. they didn't want him. he probably also wanted to go somewhere where he thought he would play enough. i think stat is really more interested in that next contract then a championship.

[Thugger HBC]

That seems revisionist to me, no one else in the league was offering Amare 5yrs guaranteed at 100 mil, so Walsh who was regarded as a solid executive is going to bid against himself? That move had Dolan written all over it, just like the Melo trade when he stepped in and ponied up Moz.

I'll agree to disagree on this one.

Amare denied he was recruited by Dolan's people....thats a fact stated in Amare first press conference. i realize people think walsh is holier than Jesus, but he sucked donkeys ass here.

Im not disagreeing with your Walsh opinion, I wasnt a big fan of him, any1 was better then Isiah but I didnt like Walsh draft acumen, especially taking Hill over Ty Lawson in that draft, I was pounding the table for Ty Lawson that year. And I never liked the Gallo pick that much, I liked Kevin Love and wanted to see Walsh move up for him. I just still dont think Walsh was the 100% shot caller on that STAT contract

The only reason why you feel that way is because of the final details of the Melo deal....and that is the pure definition of revisionist thinking.

Dolan has no history of interference, he's let all of his execs run their show. To be honest the fact he never intervened is even worse given the sorry state the team has been in. He should have intervened quite a bit, but allowed garbage to be piled on.

Up until the one time Dolan sees a chance to have a legit star on the team and Walsh wont pull the trigger.

i really dont see why folks think Walsh was infallable...he was awful here.

[dpgcdr]

In defense of Walsh, he was trying to seduce players while in a wheelchair. Didn't Stoudemire thank Isiah in his first press conference?

[god shammgod]

yeah. i've argued what thug is many times on here. it's very convenient to look at everything that went wrong and blame dolan. i really don't believe dolan is micro managing every move. his philosophy might hurt because he'd rather be in the playoffs and making that extra money then rebuild ever. but the individual mistakes made are mostly the gm's own.

[Workforce250]

The Mavs, with little cap space, brought in Tyson Chandler, Chandler Parsons, Rajan Rondo, Amare, all in one year.
The owner is a multi billionate and the GM is very bright.

Let me see:
The ignorance on this board for Stat or the smart move by Dallas.
hmmm which one should I believe?