Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[jakecronus8]

Taking a detour from the 30 pages of Kanter discussion, the Raptors are apparently "listening" to offers for Terrence Ross. I think they could use Mayo's shooting. Mayo + JOB + 2017 Clips 1st for Ross + Fields would be something I'd float out there and see if they'd bite.

Call me crazy but I've become kind of a Mayo fan. Unselfish player and when he's hot he's red hot. I am not a fan of Ross at all.

[ackypoo]

Just trying to do y'all a service in being positive about Kanter, he is going to be on your team by 3pm Eastern time tomorrow.

HA!

i really dont think we trade for kanter. sounds like utah wants more than what is being offered.

i also, personally, do not want him. because it means we have to resign him.

I have a feeling Kanter may just take the QO (one big negative about Kanter is the his agent is his only client, so I get the feeling he really wants to strike a big contract and would be willing to wait a year for the cap to expand) and y'all would have him relatively cheap for another year. Not sure if that is a positive thing or not for y'all. I guess it would allow y'all to re-sign Knight and Middleton while evaluating Kanter for another year while the cap rises.

thatd be fine. but we arent giving up anything for the opportunity to lose him in UFA in a year.

so we will offer ersan and a 2nd. now utah says no to that, probably quickly.

and how does this improve kanters attitude? it doesnt. im not sure we want to trade for a malcontent anyways.

[Licensed to Il]

I came on a week ago and mentioned some positives about acquiring Kanter: great physical tools, has never been in a good player development situation, intriguing touch and offensive ability, but the main thing that had me interested was that promising young bigs rarely come available (Utah hit the lottery with Goebert, and Favors was a late bloomer, making Kanter available).

The negatives have been mostly beaten to death here: has not shown consistent effort on defense, is one of the worst passers in the league, and I'll even add (not many are aware) he has really odd agents that all teams hate dealing with.

Obviously if this deal goes through, the Bucks have some sort of plan in place. I am still intrigued to hear and see more.

One final thought... the Bucks are not so close to contention that they are beyond acquiring players with the goal of flipping them for better fits later. Vegas is not exactly picking us to win the east next year guys. No reason not to bring aboard a promising prospect with the hope of dealing him later for more. Kanter is late to the game, hasn't had a lot of big league on court time, and still has upside. No reason to think he can't improve dramatically and up his value and become a feature post scorer for someone else, bringing back a haul for us. Remember we now have an outside the box thinking front office. Some of you are too enamored with immediate fit and box score symmetry.

[BobbyLight]

Is anyone here going to be disappointed if we stand pat at the deadline?

If you asked me this before the season I'd have said "Hell yeah I am mad", but we are too far past tank (and bordering on kind of good) that I won't be mad if we don't make a move. If we have a chance to make a trade that helps the future I hope we do, but I won't care if we get past the deadline with no moves.

[Ron Swanson]

Taking a detour from the 30 pages of Kanter discussion, the Raptors are apparently "listening" to offers for Terrence Ross. I think they could use Mayo's shooting. Mayo + JOB + 2017 Clips 1st for Ross + Fields would be something I'd float out there and see if they'd bite.

It was said many many pages back that the Raps are looking to trade Jonas and Ross for a legit star. We don't have what they want.

They're not trading Jonas, he's untouchable. And every team says they're looking to trade their middle tier prospects for a "legit star". Philly just said not too long ago that they wouldn't trade MCW for anything less than "two 1st round picks". Doesn't really mean anything. Ross isn't commanding that high of a price tag. They're posturing.

It probably takes a better deal than Mayo and a 1st to get serious discussions started, but I'd be willing to give up more and just a few weeks ago, Ujiri said that Ross was "untouchable" as well. I'm taking his recent benching and the transition of "untouchable" to "unlikely traded" as a positive sign that he's available at the right price, albeit a potentially steep one.

[jakecronus8]

Is anyone here going to be disappointed if we stand pat at the deadline?

If you asked me this before the season I'd have said "Hell yeah I am mad", but we are too far past tank (and bordering on kind of good) that I won't be mad if we don't make a move. If we have a chance to make a trade that helps the future I hope we do, but I won't care if we get past the deadline with no moves.

The only thing disappointing to me would be the acceptance of Knight being here long term. Ha never know though. I thought Jennings would end up here long term so miracles do happen.

I'll take standing pat over a win now move though. Trading any of Giannis, Parker, Middleton or our first rounder would make me sick.

[Cyrone Torbin]

There is no question that Kanter is a bad individual defender. The question is: Does our team defensive system help him? Does he have a skillset that works in our system?

Actually it's the complete opposite. I've actually seen him have spurts have above average individual defense often. His help defense is what he needs help with, pun intended.

Cool. Your defensive system is nothing like ours. I've seen Drew Gooden have 'spurts' on the basketball court too. Feel free to provide some stats of Kanter's opponents while he is guarding them. Perhaps some stats of him defensively at Center vs him at PF.

1. PF vs. C is largely the same thing in the Jazz offense while Favors and Kanter are on the court. They occupy the same regions on the floor and they switch matchups often.

2. Defensive analytics are very flawed in my eyes. Eye test are much better in this case, but here was a recent tweet about Kanter's defensive improvement, take it for what it's worth. "Since Enes Kanter came back from injury Jazz defensive rating with him on the floor is 99.0 with him off floor is 104.3 (16 games)"

3. I can say, without a doubt, Kanter has shown a lot of defensive improvement this year.

[skones]

Taking a detour from the 30 pages of Kanter discussion, the Raptors are apparently "listening" to offers for Terrence Ross. I think they could use Mayo's shooting. Mayo + JOB + 2017 Clips 1st for Ross + Fields would be something I'd float out there and see if they'd bite.

Call me crazy but I've become kind of a Mayo fan. Unselfish player and when he's hot he's red hot. I am not a fan of Ross at all.

His jumper comes and goes, but for the most part, he makes the smart play rather than trying to force things for himself.
He's been a stabilizing force for us at some crucial times in games for us all year long.

[paulpressey25]

IF Larry does sign off on $13mm buyout, that gives the Bucks payroll flexibility to go get Kanter with the idea they'd resign him this summer.

Get ready for 24-hours of Enes watch. It's here.

[Nebula1]

IF Larry does sign off on $13mm buyout, that gives the Bucks payroll flexibility to go get Kanter with the idea they'd resign him this summer.

Get ready for 24-hours of Enes watch. It's here.

Kanter looks like a career reserve to me.

[Licensed to Il]

The timing of the Sanders buyout is screaming "more to come"

[gbmb34]

Who says no?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m5lt8na

DEN OUT: Faried, Lawson
DEN IN: Mayo, Knight, Quincy Miller, top 7 protected 1st

MIL OUT: Mayo, Knight, Ersan
MIL IN: Lawson, Landry, Stauskas

SAC OUT: Landry, Stauskas, Miller, top 7 protected 1st
SAC IN: Ersan, Faried

Denver gets a relatively clean cap, a pick, and a younger PG in Knight. Milwaukee gets an upgrade at PG and a lotto ticket in Stauskas. Sacramento clears out some of their PF crap and gets a legit starter at the 4.

[Sauce Boss]

Is anyone here going to be disappointed if we stand pat at the deadline?

I wouldn't, personally. I don't need to buy just to buy, especially since some of the purported asking prices for players on the block are rather steep. We got a good thing going that is being powered by a 20-year-old and two 22-year-old players, and I'm fine watching that play out.

[JustinCredible]

Actually it's the complete opposite. I've actually seen him have spurts have above average individual defense often. His help defense is what he needs help with, pun intended.

Cool. Your defensive system is nothing like ours. I've seen Drew Gooden have 'spurts' on the basketball court too. Feel free to provide some stats of Kanter's opponents while he is guarding them. Perhaps some stats of him defensively at Center vs him at PF.

1. PF vs. C is largely the same thing in the Jazz offense while Favors and Kanter are on the court. They occupy the same regions on the floor and they switch matchups often.

2. Defensive analytics are very flawed in my eyes. Eye test are much better in this case, but here was a recent tweet about Kanter's defensive improvement, take it for what it's worth. "Since Enes Kanter came back from injury Jazz defensive rating with him on the floor is 99.0 with him off floor is 104.3 (16 games)"

3. I can say, without a doubt, Kanter has shown a lot of defensive improvement this year.

Thanks. That is better information. What is it that you don't like about Kanter?

[Cooleyo47]

I'd guess any proposal that includes Middleton is a non-starter. I think they view him as part of the core. Him, Giannis, Parker, and Knight are probably the pieces they value most.

The trade of a RFA Jennings for Knight & Middleton probably offsets the Tobias debacle.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

our horizontal defense has made zaza pachulia into one of the top defensive centers in the league. kanter is built like a better moving pachulia, but doesnt have his awareness. meanwhile Henson went from a fairly selfish iso scoring unaware big in his own right...to pretty damn effective himself. his numbers are up exponentially across the board in the way we'd want to see them.

its possible kanters weaknesses can be absolved in our system... or at least our brass thinks this. its also possible that kanter is our longterm replacement for zaza in what is a pretty damn good defense not dependant on a dominant big. personally watching us i think the bigs role is pretty simple.

maybe.. just maybe... kanter could work. i hate giving up a #1, but if there was a bright side id be glad we get a 30 game audition before wed have to pay him. maybe that pick is worth that trial with the upside involved.

[TroyD92]

I'm just not a fan of Kanter. I don't think his game is relevant in the NBA anymore.

[jakecronus8]

Who says no?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m5lt8na

DEN OUT: Faried, Lawson
DEN IN: Mayo, Knight, Quincy Miller, top 7 protected 1st

MIL OUT: Mayo, Knight, Ersan
MIL IN: Lawson, Landry, Stauskas

SAC OUT: Landry, Stauskas, Miller, top 7 protected 1st
SAC IN: Ersan, Faried

Denver gets a relatively clean cap, a pick, and a younger PG in Knight. Milwaukee gets an upgrade at PG and a lotto ticket in Stauskas. Sacramento clears out some of their PF crap and gets a legit starter at the 4.

Sacramento has to ice their bung holes for week after this.

[Licensed to Il]

I'm just not a fan of Kanter. I don't think his game is relevant in the NBA anymore.

I respect your opinion. But size that can score will always have value in basketball. This will never not be true.

[Giannis Parker]

Kanter is worth the 29 game tryout in my eyes (plus how many other playoff games), outside of the top 3-4 Centers, all of whom projected top 10 in the draft, Kanter has the most potential among the 2015 draft class.