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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5621 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:50 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:I moved this comment over to this thread because it seems to me to be a very sound strategy. I approve of this, if that is what they are doing.

ReasonablySober wrote:I think there's legs to the Jackson and Kanter rumors. If you're looking for a strategy, it seems like it would be to horde young, talented RFAs this summer, offer slightly better than current market deals, and dare them to sign qualified offers. If they manage to clear either Ersan or Bayless they could conceivably sign all three of Jackson, Knight and Kanter to deals that look pricey now, but not so much when free agents start signing $20 million deals in 2016.

Acquire talent now, worry about how it fits later.


Um....where is Middleton in that plan???


Yea, I added him in a post further down. Clearly he'd be the top priority.

But either way, I think the strategy is possible, particularly if you envision Dudley opting out and the Bucks sending at least one of Bayless or Ersan.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5622 » by JayMKE » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:50 pm

With Kanter, I could live with him being a sieve defensively if he could pass and not be a blackhole offensively, I could live with his lack of passing if he could defend halfway decently, guys can learn and get better but together I think it is too much to overcome. I don't see the point? Why give any assets up for this guy? Its a future move not a win now one, it could blow up in our faces right now so why not wait to pursue him in the offseason if we want him? Offering anything more than scraps is a crime against humanity.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5623 » by xTitan » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:52 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I moved this comment over to this thread because it seems to me to be a very sound strategy. I approve of this, if that is what they are doing.

ReasonablySober wrote:I think there's legs to the Jackson and Kanter rumors. If you're looking for a strategy, it seems like it would be to horde young, talented RFAs this summer, offer slightly better than current market deals, and dare them to sign qualified offers. If they manage to clear either Ersan or Bayless they could conceivably sign all three of Jackson, Knight and Kanter to deals that look pricey now, but not so much when free agents start signing $20 million deals in 2016.

Acquire talent now, worry about how it fits later.


I do not put much value on Jackson, he seems like the antithesis of a Jason Kidd type of player.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5624 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:52 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I moved this comment over to this thread because it seems to me to be a very sound strategy. I approve of this, if that is what they are doing.

ReasonablySober wrote:I think there's legs to the Jackson and Kanter rumors. If you're looking for a strategy, it seems like it would be to horde young, talented RFAs this summer, offer slightly better than current market deals, and dare them to sign qualified offers. If they manage to clear either Ersan or Bayless they could conceivably sign all three of Jackson, Knight and Kanter to deals that look pricey now, but not so much when free agents start signing $20 million deals in 2016.

Acquire talent now, worry about how it fits later.


yes... we could do worse than signing knight, middleton, Jackson, and kanter to deals pre cap explosion. you take those 4 with giannis, Jabari, and Henson and that's a pretty good core talent wise all age 20-24 :o
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5625 » by Turk Nowitzki » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:53 pm

JayMKE wrote:With Kanter, I could live with him being a sieve defensively if he could pass and not be a blackhole offensively, I could like with his lack of passing if he could defend halfway decently, guys can learn and get better but together I think it is too much to overcome.

This is sort of where I'm at too. I can live with a guy with one of those flaws, but both is tough. I guess the other side is that he's 22 and you hold out hope that one or both of those things can be improved.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5626 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:53 pm

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Yup. I just don't see Utah accepting that trade.


Utah can either keep Kanter and match a 4/$50 this summer or get Ersan and a pick. Their choice. I think Ersan fits them better right now. But again, up to Utah. I wouldn't overpay for Kanter though.
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Post#5627 » by JayMKE » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:54 pm

Reggie Jackson just straight up sucks by the way, a poor man's Brandon Knight. The fact that OKC wants to trade him midseason says it all. Why trade for a guy that will be a FA? Do we intend to resign this guy? Why not wait? This will not help us win more this year. Why must we always target shot happy chuckers? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
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Post#5628 » by xTitan » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:55 pm

JayMKE wrote:With Kanter, I could live with him being a sieve defensively if he could pass and not be a blackhole offensively, I could like with his lack of passing if he could defend halfway decently, guys can learn and get better but together I think it is too much to overcome. I don't see the point? Why give any assets up for this guy? Its a future move not a win now one, it could blow up in our faces right now so why not wait to pursue him in the offseason if we want him? Offering anything more than scraps is a crime against humanity.


The Bucks do not have a center for next year, this would give them a young big that they believe is a much better player than you believe he is. I am guessing that Kidd believes he has the defensive skill set to play much better in Milwaukee than he has shown.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5629 » by JustinCredible » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:55 pm

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Yup. I just don't see Utah accepting that trade.


Utah can either keep Kanter and match a 4/$50 this summer or get Ersan and a pick. Their choice. I think Ersan fits them better right now. But again, up to Utah. I wouldn't overpay for Kanter though.


If those were their only two options then sure. I would have to believe that another team is giving them a slightly more appealing option. I wouldn't overpay either. This would be my offer and I wouldn't budge. I just think it means 'no deal.'
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5630 » by Badgerlander » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:56 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:On January 22nd, Enes Kanter played in Milwaukee and scored 23pts and pulled down 16 rebounds.

His agent was in attendance at the BC that night.

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Sam Smith was on the big show 105.7 yesterday and when they asked about Kanter he said he wants to come here to Milwaukee
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5631 » by jakecronus8 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:56 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:I moved this comment over to this thread because it seems to me to be a very sound strategy. I approve of this, if that is what they are doing.

ReasonablySober wrote:I think there's legs to the Jackson and Kanter rumors. If you're looking for a strategy, it seems like it would be to horde young, talented RFAs this summer, offer slightly better than current market deals, and dare them to sign qualified offers. If they manage to clear either Ersan or Bayless they could conceivably sign all three of Jackson, Knight and Kanter to deals that look pricey now, but not so much when free agents start signing $20 million deals in 2016.

Acquire talent now, worry about how it fits later.


I do not put much value on Jackson, he seems like the antithesis of a Jason Kidd type of player.


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Post#5632 » by tski1972 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:57 pm

I'm cold on Reggie Jackson and lukewarm on Kanter. Would be okay if neither happens.
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Post#5633 » by LUKE23 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:58 pm

I'm not big on giving Knight big money to be our PG, but Reggie Jackson is not better than him. I don't want either as our long-term #1 PG.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5634 » by xTitan » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:58 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:I moved this comment over to this thread because it seems to me to be a very sound strategy. I approve of this, if that is what they are doing.



I do not put much value on Jackson, he seems like the antithesis of a Jason Kidd type of player.


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From what I have seen of Jackson, he shares the ball less than Knight, probably wouldn't at all if it wasn't for Durrant, Westbrook , and Serge.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5635 » by Giannis Parker » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:59 pm

JayMKE wrote:Reggie Jackson just straight up sucks by the way, a poor man's Brandon Knight. The fact that OKC wants to trade him midseason says it all. Why trade for a guy that will be a FA? Do we intend to resign this guy? Why not wait? This will not help us win more this year. Why must we always target shot happy chuckers? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY


This is far from the truth, Reggie has always had to play outside of himself with OKC as they desperately needed scoring when he has played large amounts.

Jackson is a much quicker version of Bayless, much more talented as well, who can get to the rim at a whim, and loves to make a pass off penetration. That sounds like a good fit to me.
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Post#5636 » by JayMKE » Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:59 pm

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JayMKE wrote:With Kanter, I could live with him being a sieve defensively if he could pass and not be a blackhole offensively, I could like with his lack of passing if he could defend halfway decently, guys can learn and get better but together I think it is too much to overcome. I don't see the point? Why give any assets up for this guy? Its a future move not a win now one, it could blow up in our faces right now so why not wait to pursue him in the offseason if we want him? Offering anything more than scraps is a crime against humanity.


The Bucks do not have a center for next year, this would give them a young big that they believe is a much better player than you believe he is. I am guessing that Kidd believes he has the defensive skill set to play much better in Milwaukee than he has shown.


Next year... Next year... Next year... Why would we give up assets this year to get a guy we can sign in the offseason??? To be honest, there a lot of big men free agents and draft prospects this year, better than Kanter. It makes no sense, what is the upside here for making this trade? Kanter and Jabari frontcourt would be brutal. We would hate Kanter very very soon after trading for him. We don't want a plodder, I don't get this fascination with big muscly dudes. We need a guy that can run the floor, catch the ball, dunk, rebound, defend, and get out of the way of Giannis and Jabari.

It doesn't seem that the concept of team ball makes since to our FO, like you can't just acquire all guys that need to ball to be effective.
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Re: Trade Targets (Trade Deadline less than 31 hours) 

Post#5637 » by mlloyd10 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:00 pm

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JayMKE wrote:Reggie Jackson just straight up sucks by the way, a poor man's Brandon Knight. The fact that OKC wants to trade him midseason says it all. Why trade for a guy that will be a FA? Do we intend to resign this guy? Why not wait? This will not help us win more this year. Why must we always target shot happy chuckers? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY


This is far from the truth, Reggie has always had to play outside of himself with OKC as they desperately needed scoring when he has played large amounts.

Jackson is a much quicker version of Bayless, much more talented as well, who can get to the rim at a whim, and loves to make a pass off penetration. That sounds like a good fit to me.


While im not a huge fan of his - Can someone shows his stats when Westbrook was out?
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Post#5638 » by JustinCredible » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:00 pm

Woj reported that Utah wants a young player and a 1st round pick for Kanter. I trust Woj and while that could just be posturing, I just don't see how Ersan and a late 1st gets it done.
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Post#5639 » by JayMKE » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:00 pm

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JayMKE wrote:Reggie Jackson just straight up sucks by the way, a poor man's Brandon Knight. The fact that OKC wants to trade him midseason says it all. Why trade for a guy that will be a FA? Do we intend to resign this guy? Why not wait? This will not help us win more this year. Why must we always target shot happy chuckers? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY


This is far from the truth, Reggie has always had to play outside of himself with OKC as they desperately needed scoring when he has played large amounts.

Jackson is a much quicker version of Bayless, much more talented as well, who can get to the rim at a whim, and loves to make a pass off penetration. That sounds like a good fit to me.


If he can't fit with Durant and Westbrook, why would he fit here?
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Post#5640 » by jakecronus8 » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:01 pm

xTitan wrote:
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I do not put much value on Jackson, he seems like the antithesis of a Jason Kidd type of player.


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From what I have seen of Jackson, he shares the ball less than Knight, probably wouldn't at all if it wasn't for Durrant, Westbrook , and Serge.


Than you haven't seen enough. Jackson is more of a point guard than Knight.
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