Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[nate33]

Scoop Jackson. Nice breakdown.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12340 ... gic-trades

Hey, it could just be hard ball negotiations by the Drag.. Get paid and make sure they trade IT.

We aren't out of this year. Actually, it would play to our favor by forcing PHX to take the first reasonable offer for IT and throw the sink at Goran.

Hardball negotiations. Like Scoop says. How does HOU makes sense ? As for LA. Sure. He could be core in their rebuild. Same with NY.

Goran/Melo/Lottery pick
Goran/Kobe/Randle and lottery pick

If Dragic's ultimate goal was to force Thomas out, he wouldn't have announced that he is going to refuse to resign with Phoenix. That only motivates Phoenix to keep Thomas to compensate for Dragic's pending departure. If Dragic wanted to drive Thomas out, he would have told Phoenix he's leaving unless Thomas is dumped.

[verbal8]

Damnit Dragic.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/567897657106128897[/tweet]

Nice to dream of Thomas but that's over now.

The list of trade teams means Dragic probably will be traded as a rental. None of those teams have significant assets to send out in exchange. If players and a 2nd gets Dragic, I think Andre Miller and Blair(or even Humphries) might be the best offer in terms of players.

[nate33]

The list of trade teams means Dragic probably will be traded as a rental. None of those teams have significant assets to send out in exchange. If players and a 2nd gets Dragic, I think Andre Miller and Blair(or even Humphries) might be the best offer in terms of players.

I think a contender in need of guard help would offer more than that. A team like Houston could offer Jason Terry's expiring contract plus a 1st round pick.

[80sballboy]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... right-deal

[Dark Faze]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... right-deal

The unwillingness to move Seraphin part is disgusting.

And yea, the dragic trade demand hurts our ability to get IT if they are looking to still make a push. IDK whats going to happen, but if we settle on veteran scrubs then i'll officially consider us out of the race for Durant.

[nate33]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... right-deal

• Not taking on salary into 2016 remains a priority. Last summer, every deal made had short-term consequences with long-term flexibility in mind. So this means if an available player is owed $7 million-plus over multiple years, it better be one heck of a player with long-term value and allows the Wizards to unload a contract in return such as Martell Webster's. The problem is getting another team to bite on a deal with a player who has had three back surgeries and a few years left on his deal.
  
• Backup center Kevin Seraphin is in demand (see the Minnesota Timberwolves who have tried to get him already) and their best asset to execute a trade but he's doubtful to go anywhere. First, he signed a qualifying offer which means he can veto any move for one year. Second, Seraphin is their best back-to-the-basket big man on the second unit and moving him, even with his consent, for a perimeter player makes little sense unless there's another move on the table to fill that void.
  
• End-of-quarter situations will change. It's alarming with the way the Wizards are failing to execute here and the coaching staff has to show more imagination, and they've been told exactly this.

All 3 points made here are reassuring to me.

EG continues to be all in for KD2DC. That means those of you who keep discussing trades for guys like Kanter or Larry Sanders can give it a rest. It's not gonna happen.

I don't have a problem with the Wizards being reticent about giving up Seraphin in a trade for guard help. The point is valid. Seraphin provides a useful skill, one not provided by anyone other than Nene. What's the point of improving the backcourt if it hurts us just as much in the front court? The real issue is Seraphin's trade value is small because he's an impending UFA. We would only get back a 3rd tier guard for him, a guy who is unlikely to be much better than Miller or Temple in the first place. If we could trade Seraphin for good player like Isaiah Thomas, then I'd be real interested, but that's not gonna happen.

I really home J. Michael's source is accurate about those end-of-quarter situations. We're an embarrassment in that regard. It's interesting how he put it though: "they've been told exactly this". Could there's be a little trouble in paradise between EG and Wittman? Is Wittman feeling some pressure?

[dckingsfan]

Or is Checkers feeling some pressure...

[dckingsfan]

I would think that the preferred destinations for Phoenix for Dragic would be Milwaukee, Detroit, Indiana, Orlando, Philadelphia
or New York. Although, I am sure the Celtics are all over it as well.

[closg00]

This is stale but...
http://isportsweb.com/2015/02/17/washin ... onnection/

[FAH1223]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/568077056988356608[/tweet]

[JWizmentality]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... right-deal

• Not taking on salary into 2016 remains a priority. Last summer, every deal made had short-term consequences with long-term flexibility in mind. So this means if an available player is owed $7 million-plus over multiple years, it better be one heck of a player with long-term value and allows the Wizards to unload a contract in return such as Martell Webster's. The problem is getting another team to bite on a deal with a player who has had three back surgeries and a few years left on his deal.
  
• Backup center Kevin Seraphin is in demand (see the Minnesota Timberwolves who have tried to get him already) and their best asset to execute a trade but he's doubtful to go anywhere. First, he signed a qualifying offer which means he can veto any move for one year. Second, Seraphin is their best back-to-the-basket big man on the second unit and moving him, even with his consent, for a perimeter player makes little sense unless there's another move on the table to fill that void.
  
• End-of-quarter situations will change. It's alarming with the way the Wizards are failing to execute here and the coaching staff has to show more imagination, and they've been told exactly this.

All 3 points made here are reassuring to me.

EG continues to be all in for KD2DC. That means those of you who keep discussing trades for guys like Kanter or Larry Sanders can give it a rest. It's not gonna happen.

I don't have a problem with the Wizards being reticent about giving up Seraphin in a trade for guard help. The point is valid. Seraphin provides a useful skill, one not provided by anyone other than Nene. What's the point of improving the backcourt if it hurts us just as much in the front court? The real issue is Seraphin's trade value is small because he's an impending UFA. We would only get back a 3rd tier guard for him, a guy who is unlikely to be much better than Miller or Temple in the first place. If we could trade Seraphin for good player like Isaiah Thomas, then I'd be real interested, but that's not gonna happen.

I really home J. Michael's source is accurate about those end-of-quarter situations. We're an embarrassment in that regard. It's interesting how he put it though: "they've been told exactly this". Could there's be a little trouble in paradise between EG and Wittman? Is Wittman feeling some pressure?

Amen!! The fact that they're even acknowledging that there is a problem is miracle.

[Wizardspride]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheNBABulletin/status/568109258606186497[/tweet]

[TheSecretWeapon]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheNBABulletin/status/568109258606186497[/tweet]

If true, Grunfeld and the Wizards have done something truly amazing -- pursued a PG who has been less productive in his first four seasons than Eric Maynor.

[Dark Faze]

KD isn't going to this team without a significant addition

[nate33]

KD isn't going to this team without a significant addition

I don't see why you keep asserting this. The Wizards are on pace to win 47-50 games this year. Next year, they'll probably do a bit better with Beal and Porter hopefully playing better. How good does a team need to be to woo Durant? Are you supposed to be a 60-win team before you get into the conversation? There aren't a lot of 60-win teams with max cap room.

Durant might come here if he sees us as a better opportunity than OKC. Some of that is going to depend on the health of Westbrook, the continued development of Ibaka (who has regressed substantially this year), and the development of Adams. Let's face it, that OKC team sans Durant hasn't been very good.

[Dark Faze]

KD isn't going to this team without a significant addition

I don't see why you keep asserting this. The Wizards are on pace to win 47-50 games this year. Next year, they'll probably do a bit better with Beal and Porter hopefully playing better. How good does a team need to be to woo Durant? Are you supposed to be a 60-win team before you get into the conversation? There aren't a lot of 60-win teams with max cap room.

Durant might come here if he sees us as a better opportunity than OKC. Some of that is going to depend on the health of Westbrook, the continued development of Ibaka (who has regressed substantially this year), and the development of Adams. Let's face it, that OKC team sans Durant hasn't been very good.

Here's the thing, this team ISN'T good. Our record against top teams in this conference is putrid and our only playoff win (as of now) was against a completely decimated Bulls team last year. KD isn't stupid. He has advisors that let him know about organizations. He grew up here, he knows about the Wiz and how terrible of an organization we've been. His advisors will tell him that our coach and GM are mediocre if not worse.

Westbrook is a top ten player in the league. Presti is a drafting wizard.

I'm not saying that there's no chance for him to come here. I think there's a great chance that he'll want a change of scenery. But he's not going to go to a worse situation. We don't have to do a lot to be better, but what we have to do something.

[verbal8]

Durant might come here if he sees us as a better opportunity than OKC. Some of that is going to depend on the health of Westbrook, the continued development of Ibaka (who has regressed substantially this year), and the development of Adams. Let's face it, that OKC team sans Durant hasn't been very good.

Mainly I think it really comes down to Westbrook/Ibaka vs. Wall/Beal. Adams and Porter could shift things if one develops significantly more than the other.

The Wizards without Durant have been a lot better than the Thunder without Durant

[closg00]

KD isn't going to this team without a significant addition

I don't see why you keep asserting this. The Wizards are on pace to win 47-50 games this year. Next year, they'll probably do a bit better with Beal and Porter hopefully playing better. How good does a team need to be to woo Durant? Are you supposed to be a 60-win team before you get into the conversation? There aren't a lot of 60-win teams with max cap room.

Durant might come here if he sees us as a better opportunity than OKC. Some of that is going to depend on the health of Westbrook, the continued development of Ibaka (who has regressed substantially this year), and the development of Adams. Let's face it, that OKC team sans Durant hasn't been very good.

Here's the thing, this team ISN'T good. Our record against top teams in this conference is putrid and our only playoff win (as of now) was against a completely decimated Bulls team last year. KD isn't stupid. He has advisors that let him know about organizations. He grew up here, he knows about the Wiz and how terrible of an organization we've been. His advisors will tell him that our coach and GM are mediocre if not worse.

Westbrook is a top ten player in the league. Presti is a drafting wizard.

I'm not saying that there's no chance for him to come here. I think there's a great chance that he'll want a change of scenery. But he's not going to go to a worse situation. We don't have to do a lot to be better, but what we have to do something.

Bingo!! Durant is going to go to the best organization/team. Playing at home is a consideration, but if your'e an agent, would you bet on this FO's ability to build a contender?

[TheSecretWeapon]

The Wizards will remain in that position I wrote about some time ago -- they're still challenged when it comes to ADDING to what they have. This offseason, they REPLACED Ariza with Pierce and Booker with Humphries. They're a little better this year than last, primarily because Wall has been more productive.

When 2016 comes, they'll be looking to replace at minimum two key players: Nenê and Pierce. Perhaps the Pierce replacement is already on the roster (Porter). Perhaps Durant is the replacement for Nenê -- sorta. Sign Durant, and they're basically capped out, which is probably fine because Wall-Beal-Porter-Durant-Gortat is a formidable group (at least on paper, assuming Gortat doesn't have a significant age-related drop-off).

So, Durant (or any free agent) would really be putting considerable faith in Grunfeld to assemble a championship-level roster. Maybe that happens, but I think a savvy agent whose client wanted to win a title might steer him elsewhere.

[Dark Faze]

I think we can overcome the organization if the roster is great in the moment, but right now the entire bench is basically just vets that will be done by the time KD is available, Nene will be gone , and Gortat looks as average as a scoop of vanilla ice cream.

Look, I'm not saying the dream is dead, but KD is the type of guy you really need to scratch and claw to get. You have to do everything you can to get better, even if it means trading a "core piece". You can't just sit in a bad conference, take a first round L and hope the fact that your his home town is enough for him to make a life changing decision in your favor.