We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

mrknowitall215 · Post #961 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:51 pm

Can't say I didn't warn everybody...

Al Kidd-Walker · Post #962 » by **Al Kidd-Walker** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:53 pm

trade him for a black & mild and 2 metro cards, just get him off of this team he's trash

Post #963 » by **JDR720** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:02 am

I dont care if when we dump him he goes back to getting triple doubles, sometimes you just have to cut your losses. I dont want to waive him because I dont want to be paying someone who isn't on the team.

Liver_Pooty · Post #964 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:04 am

He is not a good fit with Walker. Not a good fit off the bench with Roberts either. Hes not a good fit with the composition of this roster in general. I agree he might be way better somewhere else, but it just wont be here

BobsBuddy · Post #965 » by **BobsBuddy** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:38 pm

Pooty....I agree with you on all counts...and I posted the same thing months ago.. I still feel strongly he will be traded today sometime. Cho has got allot of options on his board and I'm sure there is more than one team interested. I'm sure that ,if it comes down to the deadline wire, LAL would take him for Nash's expiring contract a filler. 6571820 Lance/Maxiell for Nash/Davis
Also I thing any of the following could be possiblities:
6571828 Lance/Taylor for Afflalo and Gee from Denver
6571831 Lance and Maxiell for Garnett and Brown from Nets
6571634 Lance/Taylor / protected 1st for Dragic/Green

Bye Lance :wave:

gehenherzog · Post #966 » by **gehenherzog** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:52 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::D Pooty....I agree with you on all counts...and I posted the same thing months ago.. I still feel strongly he will be traded today sometime. Cho has got allot of options on his board and I'm sure there is more than one team interested. I'm sure that ,if it comes down to the deadline wire, LAL would take him for Nash's expiring contract a filler. 6571820 Lance/Maxiell for Nash/Davis
Also I thing any of the following could be possiblities:
6571828 Lance/Taylor for Afflalo and Gee from Denver
6571831 Lance and Maxiell for Garnett and Brown from Nets
6571634 Lance/Taylor / protected 1st for Dragic/Green

Bye Lance

Why are you saying "Bye Lance" in 2 seperate threads like something happened?

He's not getting traded, nobody wants him.

BobsBuddy · Post #967 » by **BobsBuddy** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:00 pm

Sorry Guys ...thought a deal was done....The leak I got was just that a leak.
Won't trust them anymore....Seiko Smith(NBA TV) IS/Was down at TWC 3 hours ago because Hendo saw him earilier on his way to practice and asked him what he was doing in Charlotte?. What was he doing here if he didn't have a good reason to be here?

Cho evidently could not get anything in return for Lance or MJ nixed the trade? Anyway Now we have 8 guards on the roster.
and we are looking at Miami and Detroit in our rearview mirror. Also Thadues Young will help the Nets...

Lance Buddy it's time to perform....

MasterIchiro · Post #968 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:14 pm

So Mo Williams was not replacing Lance. He is here because Roberts was a poor signing and Mo should have been here to begin with.

Post #969 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:15 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:So Mo Williams was not replacing Lance. He is here because Roberts was a poor signing and Mo should have been here to begin with.

I would say Kemba's injury and the fact that he's out at least for another month (to say nothing of Pargo not being available) also has some bearing on why we felt we needed another PG.

Also for that take to be correct you'd have to assume that Cho didn't actually want to move Lance. Think most would disagree with you since he almost did previously and there were constant reports of him trying to find someone who would take him.

SeanBobcats · Post #970 » by **SeanBobcats** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:22 pm

I feel like if he doesn't produce from here on out there's a good chance we get rid of him in the offseason. He's basically an expiring contract next year unless he produces well which would give him another two years. Rebuilding teams like Philly may be willing to take a shot on him. I'm hoping we can dump him and have big Al opt out. That would give us a pretty solid amount of flexibility with FA's. Not sure if I'm the only one, but I'd offer Wesley Matthews a pretty big contract. He's really the perfect fit for Charlotte.

A lineup of:

Kemba
Matthews
MKG
Zeller
Biyombo

I really do like that heading into next season if it could happen. A guy like Matthews should help elevate the game of all our guys in the starting lineup.

Btw.... Does anyone know how I can change my name up here? For obvious reasons lol

TheKingofSting · Post #971 » by **TheKingofSting** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:46 am

I hope no one is really surprised.

Eoghan · Post #972 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:43 am

I wonder if Lance losing his hunger has anything to do with Clifford throwing him under the bus from the onset.

catch20two · Post #973 » by **catch20two** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:00 am

The temporary luster that shined on Lance a year ago as a Pacer is gone. No team is gonna even give us anything of value for him as a expiring. They'll offer us bad contracts that they don't want and of course the all so conservative Cho won't listen as he shouldn't in this case. We're stuck with Lance unless we waive him or buy him out. Not that bad since we all knew he was high risk to only be committal to 2 years of him.

Post #974 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:23 pm

BrotherDave wrote:I wonder if Lance losing his hunger has anything to do with Clifford throwing him under the bus from the onset.

The worst thing Cliff said about Lance was that expectations were too high on him from the start and that he wasn't a start and shouldn't have been pressured to play like one. Disagree with that stance?

The players love Cliff. Even you recognize that. If something like that is enough to take Lance down to 18% from three, that's on Lance.

BeesWax · Post #975 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:25 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I wonder if Lance losing his hunger has anything to do with Clifford throwing him under the bus from the onset.

The worst thing Cliff said about Lance was that expectations were too high on him from the start and that he wasn't a start and shouldn't have been pressured to play like one. Disagree with that stance?

The players love Cliff. Even you recognize that. If something like that is enough to take Lance down to 18% from three, that's on Lance.

No the worst thing Cliff did was bench Lance every five seconds for some mistake he made while leaving Al in loafing around the court. I am sure in a players mind the double standard about "effort" was very discouraging.

Post #976 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:14 pm

jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I wonder if Lance losing his hunger has anything to do with Clifford throwing him under the bus from the onset.

The worst thing Cliff said about Lance was that expectations were too high on him from the start and that he wasn't a start and shouldn't have been pressured to play like one. Disagree with that stance?

The players love Cliff. Even you recognize that. If something like that is enough to take Lance down to 18% from three, that's on Lance.

No the worst thing Cliff did was bench Lance every five seconds for some mistake he made while leaving Al in loafing around the court. I am sure in a players mind the double standard about "effort" was very discouraging.

In November Lance averaged 33 MPG, the exact same as Al. That's not what happened.

BeesWax · Post #977 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:17 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:The worst thing Cliff said about Lance was that expectations were too high on him from the start and that he wasn't a start and shouldn't have been pressured to play like one. Disagree with that stance?

The players love Cliff. Even you recognize that. If something like that is enough to take Lance down to 18% from three, that's on Lance.

No the worst thing Cliff did was bench Lance every five seconds for some mistake he made while leaving Al in loafing around the court. I am sure in a players mind the double standard about "effort" was very discouraging.

In November Lance averaged 33 MPG, the exact same as Al. That's not what happened.

Lance was brought in and out of the game and benched during many 4th quarters while Al was a turnstile to the rim. That is what happened. Clifford commented on taking Lance out late and mentioned effort multiple times while Al cost us games. This is all very true.

Post #978 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:19 pm

jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
jdm3 wrote:No the worst thing Cliff did was bench Lance every five seconds for some mistake he made while leaving Al in loafing around the court. I am sure in a players mind the double standard about "effort" was very discouraging.

In November Lance averaged 33 MPG, the exact same as Al. That's not what happened.

Lance was brought in and out of the game and benched during many 4th quarters while Al was a turnstile to the rim. That is what happened. Clifford commented on taking Lance out late and mentioned effort multiple times while Al cost us games. This is all very true.

There minutes were the same, so unless Cliff was constantly pulling him and reinserting him (sound like Cliff to you?), I think you might not be remembering accurately.

BeesWax · Post #979 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:26 pm

I think you are remembering completely wrong or your rose colored glasses are in your way. Lance played in 11 4th quarters in 17 games in November while fat slow Al played in 14. The three he did not play in were all the blowouts. Lance played in one of those and missed the other two. That still leaves 4 other 4th quarters when he did not sniff the court while Al loafed his way around. So yes Clifford screwed up here by setting a massive double standard about "effort".

Post #980 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:34 pm

jdm3 wrote:I think you are remembering completely wrong or your rose colored glasses are in your way. Lance played in 11 4th quarters in 17 games in November while fat slow Al played in 14. The three he did not play in were all the blowouts. Lance played in one of those and missed the other two. That still leaves 4 other 4th quarters when he did not sniff the court while Al loafed his way around. So yes Clifford screwed up here by setting a massive double standard about "effort".

Rose colored glasses? It's simple math - if Lance was getting benched in the fourth, he must have been playing significantly more minutes in the other three quarters to average the same number of minutes as Al.

Not super interested in reliving our debates about November, but I still maintain that you can't blame Lance's 19% 3PT% on Cliff.