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Post#41 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:46 am

Goldbum wrote:I've been on the Chandler bandwagon all aling and I will be very upset if its AAA instead. With CJ developing and Crabbe on the roster i just think Chandler is a much better fit.


takes two to tango...Denver could be setting too high a price for Chandler. IIRC, it was Jabari Young that said if Denver was asking too much for Chandler, the Blazers would have no problem pivoting to Afflalo

I think there are more minutes available for Afflalo then Chandler. AA can play some SF; I don't think Chandler can play SG. And yes, that means CJ likely gets stuck on the bench

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Re: Not exactly 'shorts'.... 

Post#42 » by Ripcity4life » Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:58 am

I realize there are a good portion of fans that like Crabbe , CJ etc but i do not think they are ready for primetime AKA Playoffs when the play on the court is turned up a notch. It's for this reason a trade for an AA or Chandler or whoever they may get via trade and/or free agency is needed cause they are tested and proven and that's what THIS team needs if they want a legit chance in the playoffs.
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Re: Not exactly 'shorts'.... 

Post#43 » by Case2012 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:06 am

On the one hand, I would like Chandler more because i see him as more of a stretch 4 to back up LA. (Like GW3 did very successfully). On the other hand, Meyers has emerged as a very good candidate for the backup power forward position and moving him down the bench again seems like a bad step backwards.

If we get Afflalo, he sews up the back up 2 guard spot very nicely, we keep Meyers or Freeland as the back up 4, and we can go after Prince to lock down the 3 when Batum is out.

We would also have a few roster spots open to grab a backup PG. (Blake is better as a good third string PG IMO)

Dame/Bynum or Farmar/Blake
Wes/Afflalo/Crabbe
Batum/Prince
LMA/Meyers/Freeland
Rolo/Kaman/Freeland

That looks much more like a contender than our current roster.
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Post#44 » by Run PDX » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:07 am

AA and Prince
Chandler and CJ
or
CJ and Wright
Which would you really rather have?
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Re: Not exactly 'shorts'.... 

Post#45 » by James72 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:19 am

Run PDX wrote:AA and Prince
Chandler and CJ
or
CJ and Wright
Which would you really rather have?


Every one should include CJ, he isn't rumored in any of trades...same with Wright.

So i would rather Prince, Chandler, CJ, Wright
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Post#46 » by GreenRiddler » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:36 am

I'd be really disappointed if we trade for AAA. He isn't going to do much with the time he would get and CJ was in a groove before the break.

Funny thing is they are both represented by the same agency, gotta figure they don't want that deal falling through.
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Post#47 » by zzaj » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:37 am

Run PDX wrote:AA and Prince
Chandler and CJ
or
CJ and Wright
Which would you really rather have?


Chandler and Afflalo
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Post#48 » by GreenRiddler » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:41 am

You guys that wanted NO to aim higher in 2013 when all he got was Lopez and Mo, are the same people that were pining for him to S&T for Reke and Josh Smith...see where that went.

We are a top West team, why aim high in trades and break up a solid foundation in the process?
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Post#49 » by James72 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:43 am

GreenRiddler wrote:You guys that wanted NO to aim higher in 2013 when all he got was Lopez and Mo, are the same people that were pining for him to S&T for Reke and Josh Smith...see where that went.

We are a top West team, why aim high in trades and break up a solid foundation in the process?


some people don't see that we aren't THAT far off. Our starting 5 is set, its strictly building the bench.... unless a no brainer comes along.
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Post#50 » by GreenRiddler » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:44 am

Also that tweet seems like what other teams think we'll offer, if they knew they would say Portland said they are willing to offer a 1st like they did for Chandler.
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Post#51 » by JasonStern » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:49 am

Goldbum wrote:I've been on the Chandler bandwagon all aling and I will be very upset if its AAA instead. With CJ developing and Crabbe on the roster i just think Chandler is a much better fit.


you don't waste Aldridge's prime because you hope that someday one of McCollum or Crabbe will become serviceable starters.


GreenRiddler wrote:We are a top West team, why aim high in trades and break up a solid foundation in the process?


breaking up the foundation would involve trading a starter. I'm pretty sure most people, including myself, are just advocating:

* what should hopefully be a late 1st round pick
* using a few of the 2nd/3rd year players that make up half of Portland's roster
* expirings that Olshey has no intention of retaining

...to further improve upon what you yourself called "a top west team".
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Post#52 » by James72 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:03 am

When playoffs come around, you usually have an 8man rotation, and you stick to it (hopefully).

So if you land Chandler, you have your 8 man rotation. Chandler can play SF and PF. Kaman C. Blake PG and off of lillard at times. Whenever Chandler is in you have either mathews or batum playing SG.

BUT

If you land Afflalo, you are stuck with the SF and PF position. Sure you could get away with mathews for a couple minutes a game at SF, but you have a lot of minutes that need to be ate up. Wright and Freeland? they're good insurance but if we want to get to the next level, I'm not too keen on that.
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Re: Not exactly 'shorts'.... 

Post#53 » by Run PDX » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:06 am

Am I the only one who is nervously excited to hear who was at practice today and who wasn't? Mike Tokito doesn't know, and he is at the practice facility...
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Post#54 » by d-train » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:12 am

Wizenheimer wrote:TRob & Barton work for Chandler. TRob & Claver work for Afflalo. I think there's a reason why we've heard TRob is a potential outgoing Blazer, and it's because the only positive value he has is as an expiring contract

TRob is all positive value, which is why other teams would want him.

If you trade for Chandler and keep Wright, you lose Wright and he occupies a roster spot. Your trade weakens big man depth and over stocks us with SF depth.

Wizenheimer wrote:since Olshey has been the Blazer GM, other then Lopez, his free agent signings and trades have brought in:

Joel Freeland
Victor Claver
Ronnie Price
Eric Maynor
Mo Williams
Thomas Robinson
Dorell Wright
Earl Watson
Chris Kaman
Steve Blake

"aiming higher" then Chandler doesn't seem to fall into his comfort zone too often


Since Olshey has been Blazers GM, he has added these players on the current roster:
Damian Lillard
Robin Lopez
Chris Kaman
Steve Blake
C.J. McCollum
Joel Freeland
Meyers Leonard
Allen Crabbe
Thomas Robinson
Dorell Wright
Will Barton
Victor Claver

That's 12 out of 15 players. And, the difference is a 54-win team vs. a 28-win team. So, I think Olshey's aim is damn good.
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Re: Not exactly 'shorts'.... 

Post#55 » by d-train » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:14 am

Run PDX wrote:AA and Prince
Chandler and CJ
or
CJ and Wright
Which would you really rather have?

All things considered, CJ and Wright
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Post#56 » by Norm2953 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:20 am

I'm still for adding both Affalo and Chandler. The added firepower would make us solid for we
could mix and match our backup bigs (Meyers, Kaman and Freeland) depending on situations
and Chandler and Affalo would get most of the minutes behind our starters who would get
less minutes.
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Post#57 » by d-train » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:21 am

James72 wrote:some people don't see that we aren't THAT far off. Our starting 5 is set, its strictly building the bench.... unless a no brainer comes along.

Based on what happened in the playoffs last year, we ARE far off. The Spurs beat us with little effort. Our bench is fine until our starters prove they can win.
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Post#58 » by James72 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:22 am

Norm2953 wrote:I'm still for adding both Affalo and Chandler. The added firepower would make us solid for we
could mix and match our backup bigs (Meyers, Kaman and Freeland) depending on situations
and Chandler and Affalo would get most of the minutes behind our starters who would get
less minutes.


I keep seeing people saying AA and Chandler?

Where has this ever been rumored? There is no way we could land both unless we decide to trade CJ, Leonard, 1st. or something along the lines plus a lot of fillers to equate ~ $14mil
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Re: Not exactly 'shorts'.... 

Post#59 » by James72 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:23 am

d-train wrote:
James72 wrote:some people don't see that we aren't THAT far off. Our starting 5 is set, its strictly building the bench.... unless a no brainer comes along.

Based on what happened in the playoffs last year, we ARE far off. The Spurs beat us with little effort. Our bench is fine until our starters prove they can win.

:o

really now?

We have very VERY different views, and statistics back mine up.

Also, SAS were being talked about having one of the best playoff runs in nba history. they were incredible. Had we had a better bench, we would have won more than a game.
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Re: Not exactly 'shorts'.... 

Post#60 » by d-train » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:29 am

James72 wrote:
d-train wrote:
James72 wrote:some people don't see that we aren't THAT far off. Our starting 5 is set, its strictly building the bench.... unless a no brainer comes along.

Based on what happened in the playoffs last year, we ARE far off. The Spurs beat us with little effort. Our bench is fine until our starters prove they can win.

:o

really now?

We have very VERY different views, and statistics back mine up.

Also, SAS were being talked about having one of the best playoff runs in nba history. they were incredible. Had we had a better bench, we would have won more than a game.

Spurs are still the same team only their season hasn't started yet.
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