Lawson for Hill

mikepacernation · Post #1 » by **mikepacernation** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:20 am

I haven't looked about money but just read the nuggets want Hill for Lawson. What's everyone think?

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GoldSwagger · Post #2 » by **GoldSwagger** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:26 am

No, he sucks.

mikepacernation · Post #3 » by **mikepacernation** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:41 am

17 ppg an 10 assist per game doesn't suck lol

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MillerTheKiller · Post #4 » by **MillerTheKiller** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:51 am

GoldSwagger wrote:No, he sucks.

Yeah no.

He's definitely an upgrade on G Hill but I don't know how I'd feel about losing Hill.

But if it helps the team go even deeper in playoffs and potentially a ring, then so be it.

Post #5 » by **pacers33granger** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:33 am

MillerTheKiller wrote:
He's definitely an upgrade on G Hill

I'm honestly not sure about that. His defense sucks (not really his fault, he's pretty small) so we'd lose a lot there. And in a vacuum he may be a better player, but whose he going to run with on this team? West and Hibbert aren't running and I doubt Vogel could even implement a run and gun system without an overhaul of his staff (I think Mcmillan needs to go anyways though). Plus I wouldn't want an entirely new system for PG to come back into.

His contract runs as long as Hill's but he makes between 3-5 mil more a year. That's a good bench player salary slot. Plus we'd have to give up one pick at least, if not several. And really I would hate for the team to trade Hill to a crap situation like Denver. I said it in another thread, but the team has jerked him around since we got him. He backed up Collison for awhile (god knows why that was happening) and then he's had to defer to other guys like Lance/PG and has to change his game every season to accommodate someone else. He's soldiered through it all and is a great teammate so I wouldn't expect him to say something, but if he gets moved to Denver he may open up about some of that. It must really suck to here all the time that you're the weak link when the guy you're deferring to (Lance) is playing streetball and making bonehead mistakes.

pacers33 · Post #6 » by **pacers33** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:03 am

Not high on Ty Lawson at all. Had an opportunity to step up as a leader for the Nuggets and just can't do it. I think it's fair to say his quickness and offensive ability make him a bit better than George Hill, but his defense is nothing to write home about, so I really don't see a huge positive bringing him to Indianapolis. It would also be the first time he's been in a slow paced offense as far as I know. The Nuggets lived by outrunning their opponents and we do not have the right personnel to accommodate that.

basketballwacko2 · Post #7 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:14 am

mikepacernation wrote:I haven't looked about money but just read the nuggets want Hill for Lawson. What's everyone think?

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I like GH a lot, but to get Lawson would be a nice addition, he a dynamic player. I watched him last week against the Lakers he just took the game over in the 2nd half. If the deal was GH and Cope plus a 2nd or 2 I'd be ok with it.

Lawson is 28 and he's getting paid more now than Hill and he's got 2 years left on his deal so we'll have to resign him in 2017 and he's gonna want the max.

basketballwacko2 · Post #8 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:17 am

pacers33 wrote:Not high on Ty Lawson at all. Had an opportunity to step up as a leader for the Nuggets and just can't do it. I think it's fair to say his quickness and offensive ability make him a bit better than George Hill, but his defense is nothing to write home about, so I really don't see a huge positive bringing him to Indianapolis. It would also be the first time he's been in a slow paced offense as far as I know. The Nuggets lived by outrunning their opponents and we do not have the right personnel to accommodate that.

From what I understand Shaw wants Hill. I wouldn't add much from us to get him. The Nuggs have a bit of a delusion since getting 2 #1's for Mozgov. They may think they can get a player like hill and our #1 plus.

pacers33 · Post #9 » by **pacers33** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:29 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
pacers33 wrote:Not high on Ty Lawson at all. Had an opportunity to step up as a leader for the Nuggets and just can't do it. I think it's fair to say his quickness and offensive ability make him a bit better than George Hill, but his defense is nothing to write home about, so I really don't see a huge positive bringing him to Indianapolis. It would also be the first time he's been in a slow paced offense as far as I know. The Nuggets lived by outrunning their opponents and we do not have the right personnel to accommodate that.

From what I understand Shaw wants Hill. I wouldn't add much from us to get him. The Nuggs have a bit of a delusion since getting 2 #1's for Mozgov. They may think they can get a player like hill and our #1 plus.

You're spot on. They are going to want top dollar for him and either want a player of his equivalent or youth/picks. Before Dragic decided to test FA if he's not traded, I would have liked to see Thomas on the team. I just don't want to see the FO trade away a pick for anything.

cubsflan24 · Post #10 » by **cubsflan24** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:30 am

I say no, hang on to Hill. But I'm still thinking for the good of the future I still think we should trade West or Hibbert. Saw that the Celtics might be interested in Hibbert so maybe can get Smart and a first rounder for Hibbert. Would have to take on Bass but his contract expires at the end of the season. Frees up cap space to go after Dragic in the offseason.

pacers33 · Post #11 » by **pacers33** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:32 am

I would be interested in Trey Burke. I think his potential isn't as high as predicted, but he's a decent scorer with the ball in his hands and can run a team.

MillerTheKiller · Post #12 » by **MillerTheKiller** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:21 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
mikepacernation wrote:I haven't looked about money but just read the nuggets want Hill for Lawson. What's everyone think?

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I like GH a lot, but to get Lawson would be a nice addition, he a dynamic player. I watched him last week against the Lakers he just took the game over in the 2nd half. If the deal was GH and Cope plus a 2nd or 2 I'd be ok with it.

Lawson is 28 and he's getting paid more now than Hill and he's got 2 years left on his deal so we'll have to resign him in 2017 and he's gonna want the max.

Lawson is 27, a full year young than Hill.

MillerTheKiller · Post #13 » by **MillerTheKiller** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:22 am

cubsflan24 wrote:I say no, hang on to Hill. But I'm still thinking for the good of the future I still think we should trade West or Hibbert. Saw that the Celtics might be interested in Hibbert so maybe can get Smart and a first rounder for Hibbert. Would have to take on Bass but his contract expires at the end of the season. Frees up cap space to go after Dragic in the offseason.

No way in hell we should off load Hibbert.

Trade him and consider our title aspirations over.

Him and George go hand in hand with each other.

basketballwacko2 · Post #14 » by **basketballwacko2** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:49 am

MillerTheKiller wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:
mikepacernation wrote:I haven't looked about money but just read the nuggets want Hill for Lawson. What's everyone think?

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I like GH a lot, but to get Lawson would be a nice addition, he a dynamic player. I watched him last week against the Lakers he just took the game over in the 2nd half. If the deal was GH and Cope plus a 2nd or 2 I'd be ok with it.

Lawson is 28 and he's getting paid more now than Hill and he's got 2 years left on his deal so we'll have to resign him in 2017 and he's gonna want the max.

Lawson is 27, a full year young than Hill.

Right he turns 28 at the beginning of next season. I'm kinda looking ahead. He'll be 30 when his next contract starts at the max most likely if we get lucky he could be resigned at 4 yrs $17-19 million per. Making him 34 in the final year with 8% raises he could be at $23 million.

As for Hibbert it depends on what we get out of him. Once upon a time we said the same things about JO. Hibbert is slow footed, he has no shooting touch at the basket, he's a great defender of the rim, and he's 28 now and what do you want to bet he's gonna opt out of his contract. He'll want 5 yrs this time at the max. Is he worth it?

If we can deal Hibbert to Boston for a few young players and picks I say do it. Hibbert for Bass, Olynyk and 2 #1 picks Clips 2015 and Brooklyn 2017. Or we could take Wallace, Olynyk and 3 #1 picks. After the season we look to move Wallace as an expiring but probably will have to buy him out and stretch his money. We could combine our pick with one or more of these and move up in the draft this year to go after a big like one of the Kentucky bigs Willie Cauley-Stein or Karl-Anthony Towns or one of the other talented youngsters in the draft.

We don't tank but we don't make the playoffs picking 9th or 10th unless we move up. I'm more inclined to keep HIll and move Hibbert. Would Boston do that deal? Depends on how much they want to dump Wallace.

EuroPacer · Post #15 » by **EuroPacer** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:30 am

Am I alone in thinking we are coming up in these trade scenarios a bit too often for nothing to happen? I am fairly sure Larry is looking to do some sort of deal, but I don't see what he is after. He has pulled off some surprise moves in the past few years, so let us wait and see.

pacers33 · Post #16 » by **pacers33** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:34 am

EuroPacer wrote:Am I alone in thinking we are coming up in these trade scenarios a bit too often for nothing to happen? I am fairly sure Larry is looking to do some sort of deal, but I don't see what he is after. He has pulled off some surprise moves in the past few years, so let us wait and see.

I can feel an impending move, too. I just hope it has nothing to do with our pick.

cubsflan24 · Post #17 » by **cubsflan24** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:38 am

MillerTheKiller wrote:
cubsflan24 wrote:I say no, hang on to Hill. But I'm still thinking for the good of the future I still think we should trade West or Hibbert. Saw that the Celtics might be interested in Hibbert so maybe can get Smart and a first rounder for Hibbert. Would have to take on Bass but his contract expires at the end of the season. Frees up cap space to go after Dragic in the offseason.

No way in hell we should off load Hibbert.

Trade him and consider our title aspirations over.

Him and George go hand in hand with each other.

Really? I'm sorry but the guy doesn't do it for me on the Off side anymore. If a team is willing to give up a lot for a rim protector I'm doing it. The league is going more small ball. Contract is too big for just a rim protector.

pacers33 · Post #18 » by **pacers33** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:48 am

He can't defend well when he's not prepared. Not very quick, doesn't have great hands....

Post #19 » by **pacers33granger** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:38 pm

EuroPacer wrote:Am I alone in thinking we are coming up in these trade scenarios a bit too often for nothing to happen? I am fairly sure Larry is looking to do some sort of deal, but I don't see what he is after. He has pulled off some surprise moves in the past few years, so let us wait and see.

Let's just pray he is not still after OJ Mayo.

76ersfan · Post #20 » by **76ersfan** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:47 pm

Wow you guys so over value George Hill he's no good at all and he makes 9 million. Lawson is so much better than him. He's averaging 17-10. Im not even a Denver fan or a pacers fan but Lawson is a legit PG