Official (Woj): RJ to Detroit, Kanter to OKC, picks to Utah

[Texas Chuck]

Det can afford to resign Jackson and Monroe? and what happens with Jennings?

If Gores wants to spend the money, the Pistons can sign a near a max player next summer while Monroe & Jackson are on their cap holds, then resign both Jackson & Monroe.


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The problem(as Houston learned last year) is that the new shorter window on RFA's makes that a little bit tougher. If a team comes out aggressive on Jackson and gets him to sign an offer right away then there may not be time to do that.

Im assuming though that Detroit must have gotten some indication from Jackson's camp about retaining him and if they can work out a deal ahead of time then they can take advantage of his low cap hold.

Considering how little they gave up the Pistons can try him out and even just let him walk if the numbers get too crazy. Very low risk move for them.

[bondom34]

Are people thinking that the Thunder are going to be bringing back Kanter next year?

I assumed it was a rental because he likely gets paid too much this summer, but I'm watching some of the talking heads discussing the deals and they're saying that they assume OKC has decided they'd be willing to resign him this summer.

OKC fans are you down with bringing Kanter back next year for decent money?

Obviously it depends on how things play out for the rest of the season, but at first blush are you thinking rental or extension?

I think for what they gave up its still good even if he's a rental. I don't know how they can afford to bring him back at a big number next year, but maybe ownership has decided to pay tax for 2 years and then count on the big TV money to fit it all in.

Forget where I read it, but OKC plans to try to bring Kanter back long term and pair him with Adams. Which I love. But the market will probably dictate the likelihood of that.

This is probably the deepest team OKC has ever had hands down, even if they do still need a starting 2.

Also, OKC is about 2.7 million into the tax. They are going to be in it this year. Would have liked to see Novak shipped out with Lamb for a prot. 2nd, but probably wasn't enough time to get it done.

I'm thrilled. I'm shocked, but Presti impressed the hell outta me today. KD, remember this day.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Since OKC was wanting Lopez to exercise his option for next year of $16.7M I find it hard to believe they won't match an offer Kanter gets as an RFA. I'd expect Kanter to get an offer in the $12-14M/yr range and OKC will match it. Given how close they are and that next year is the last before KD hits FA they needed to flip the switch into win now mode and they have done that. After next year the new TV money kicks in so they should be able to avoid the repeater tax even after KD gets a new max deal and Russ gets one the following off-season. If they can move Waiters' contract this off-season it would, in theory, offset the difference between Kanter's deal and the $9M they were paying Perkins and might be enough to keep them out of the tax next year.

[winter_mute_13]

Is it just me or was RJ's price rather low? Augustin, Singler, and a 2nd was enough to acquire him. And somehow my Pacers still managed to lose out

[bondom34]

Read somewhere a pick comes to OKC as well?

[KD35Brah]

Read somewhere a pick comes to OKC as well?

A first to Utah

[bondom34]

Read somewhere a pick comes to OKC as well?

A first to Utah

Yeah, saw that, but heard something coming back too.

Ish Smith to NOP and Jerrett to Utah as well.

http://newsok.com/enes-kanter-to-thunde ... le/5394741

[Devilanche]

Is it just me or was RJ's price rather low? Augustin, Singler, and a 2nd was enough to acquire him. And somehow my Pacers still managed to lose out

Seems low given that we give up a 1st as well
I doubt RJ would resign when Hill is the starting PG there. At least Hill is much better on defence.
Would be interested to see how he play and how much he gets.

Read somewhere a pick comes to OKC as well?

Where you get that?

[bondom34]

Is it just me or was RJ's price rather low? Augustin, Singler, and a 2nd was enough to acquire him. And somehow my Pacers still managed to lose out

Seems low given that we give up a 1st as well
I doubt RJ would resign when Hill is the starting PG there. At least Hill is much better on defence.
Would be interested to see how he play and how much he gets.

Read somewhere a pick comes to OKC as well?

Where you get that?

Someone on Welcome to loud city said it. I'm thinking mustn't be true.

[winter_mute_13]

Is it just me or was RJ's price rather low? Augustin, Singler, and a 2nd was enough to acquire him. And somehow my Pacers still managed to lose out

Seems low given that we give up a 1st as well
I doubt RJ would resign when Hill is the starting PG there. At least Hill is much better on defence.
Would be interested to see how he play and how much he gets.

OKC gave up a first for Kanter. That doesn't affect the RJ part of the trade.

If the Pacers had acquired him, I imagine that we'd run a Hill-RJ backcourt.

[Devilanche]

Is it just me or was RJ's price rather low? Augustin, Singler, and a 2nd was enough to acquire him. And somehow my Pacers still managed to lose out

Seems low given that we give up a 1st as well
I doubt RJ would resign when Hill is the starting PG there. At least Hill is much better on defence.
Would be interested to see how he play and how much he gets.

OKC gave up a first for Kanter. That doesn't affect the RJ part of the trade.

If the Pacers had acquired him, I imagine that we'd run a Hill-RJ backcourt.

Presti rather have Kanter than Mahimni (i supposed Mahimni was offered).

[winter_mute_13]

Presti rather have Kanter than Mahimni (i supposed Mahimni was offered).

I mean my point is that the Pacers could easily have filled the Piston's role in this 3 teamer. Utah's part in it would have remained unchanged.

[Devilanche]

Presti rather have Kanter than Mahimni (i supposed Mahimni was offered).

I mean my point is that the Pacers could easily have filled the Piston's role in this 3 teamer. Utah's part in it would have remained unchanged.

Pacers want to avoid the luxury tax for next season at all cost? and yes he went for quite cheap.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I mean my point is that the Pacers could easily have filled the Piston's role in this 3 teamer. Utah's part in it would have remained unchanged.

Maybe player wise C.J. Watson and Rodney Stuckey would have filled the role. However, neither of them is signed for next year at a good price like Augustin is. OKC got an equal backup PG to Reggie in Augustin that they know they will have next year at $3M. They also got a 40% 3pt shooter in Singler. I don't see how Indiana matched up with what OKC needed out of the deal as well as Detroit did. Indiana would also have the problem of Reggie wanting to be the starting PG and unless they were going to play him there over George Hill they were going to be matching an offer sheet for a disgruntled player.

Reggie wants to be the primary ball handler and scoring option for a bad team. He doesn't want to be the 3rd or 4th option on a winning team. He wants the attention to be on him during the game. There is a reason that OKC only won 3 games when Reggie was the starting PG early in the season and Reggie was getting his inefficient numbers.

[Devilanche]

To be fair to Reggie, those 3 wins were without Durant and Westbrook.

[Kizz Fastfists]

To be fair to Reggie, those 3 wins were without Durant and Westbrook.

That's the point though. Reggie is fine as your 4th option behind KD, Russ and Ibaka. However, when you hand Reggie the keys he tries to show that he's as good as anyone which isn't the case. Reggie will be back to jacking up 20 shots a night while shooting 40% from the field.

[Golabki]

OKC out: RJ, Perk, Jerrett, rights to Tibor Pleiss, 2017 1st prot.
OKC in: Kanter, Augustin, Singler, Novak


DET out: Augustin, Singler, 2nd
DET in: RJ


UTA out: Kanter, Novak
UTA in: Perk, Jerrett, OKC 1st, DET 2nd, rights to Pleiss

I like RJ at this price... good pick up by Det. Especially looking at what it took to get Knight, Rondo, and Dragic.

Utah - this type of haul would have been unthinkable for Kanter a year or two ago... they salvaged some value but definitely sold low.

OKC - biggest benefit they get is that Scott Brooks can't stupidly play Perk more than he should if Perk is on another team. Similar to the Waiters deal... late first for a guy who was a top 4 pick not too long ago. Maybe it's a clever ploy but Waiters has SUCKED.

[Devilanche]

To be fair to Reggie, those 3 wins were without Durant and Westbrook.

That's the point though. Reggie is fine as your 4th option behind KD, Russ and Ibaka. However, when you hand Reggie the keys he tries to show that he's as good as anyone which isn't the case. Reggie will be back to jacking up 20 shots a night while shooting 40% from the field.

I think he could grow into the 2nd option.

[Ikeizm]

Damn, I would've loved for the Jazz to snag Alex Abrines instead of Tibor Pleiß, but oh well. we'll see what happens at the Draft. Also Kanter is going to eat and put back sooo many shots. OKC fans should be excited.

[HartfordWhalers]

So...
Kanter is worth a first and Tibor, while Jackson is worth a 2nd and Singler?

Love what Detroit did.
Love what Utah got (because I dislike Kanter).

OKC just doubled down on the Waiters deal, now trading another 1st for a flawed former high pick. As a combined deal, I like this less than the Waiters deal for them.