What are the Sixers doing?

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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#81 » by wicked_crossova » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:35 pm

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laploutocratie wrote:At some point you have to start assembling an actual team. Can't keep trading young players for younger potential players.

And that will happen in due time. Sixers after all are only in Year 2 of their rebuild.
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That's one way to look at it.


The other way to look at it is that after two whole years, all they have to show for it is 1 starter (Noel), a rookie that has a high risk of injury (Embiid), and a question mark that hasn't played a single game in the NBA (Saric). If that's all they can do in 2 years, how long is it going to take to get a decent team? 5? 10? and what player will want to sign with them when 1) they're horrible or 2) they're decent but they treat their players like numbers in a computer?
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#83 » by Ballah » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:40 pm

Keep tanking until you have a superstar or enough assets to trade for one. It is not a bad strategy, but most front offices are not ballsy enough to just keep tanking until it works. Most agree to tank for 2-3 years and then they make do with whatever they managed to collect in those few years.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#84 » by GreenWithEnvy » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:42 pm

wicked_crossova wrote:
Stills12 wrote:
laploutocratie wrote:At some point you have to start assembling an actual team. Can't keep trading young players for younger potential players.

And that will happen in due time. Sixers after all are only in Year 2 of their rebuild.
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That's one way to look at it.


The other way to look at it is that after two whole years, all they have to show for it is 1 starter (Noel), a rookie that has a high risk of injury (Embiid), and a question mark that hasn't played a single game in the NBA (Saric). If that's all they can do in 2 years, how long is it going to take to get a decent team? 5? 10? and what player will want to sign with them when 1) they're horrible or 2) they're decent but they treat their players like numbers in a computer?


Bingo! but good luck trying to convince irrational Sixers' fans.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#85 » by MCDubbin » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:43 pm

This forum lol

MCW was the worst pg in the league according to realgm but now we trade him for a very good first round pick and act like we committed the biggest sin.

I didn't like the KJ trade but I could see why it happened. He is a RFA after this year and our FO probably got hint that KJ was all about the money and isn't considering resigning unless we really paid him. Plus check his stats. It's not very good and I'm sure emergence of Grant helped the process too
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#86 » by dolphinatik » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:45 pm

i dunno but the KJ trade really surprised me. I think they could have gotten even more for him. I dont see their rush in trading him so soon.They hit on a 2nd round pick they should have been happy with that.
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Post#87 » by mateo82 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:46 pm

Ballah wrote:Keep tanking until you have a superstar or enough assets to trade for one. It is not a bad strategy, but most front offices are not ballsy enough to just keep tanking until it works. Most agree to tank for 2-3 years and then they make do with whatever they managed to collect in those few years.


Tanking is a tough thing. Unless you are lucky as the Cavs and repeatedly get the first pick. The draft is a crap shoot. You might get Tim Duncan or you might get Greg Oden.

I much prefer the Rockets strategy of gradually getting better rather than rolling the dice all the time.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#88 » by GallagherArt » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:48 pm

dolphinatik wrote:i dunno but the KJ trade really surprised me. I think they could have gotten even more for him. I dont see their rush in trading him so soon.They hit on a 2nd round pick they should have been happy with that.

Who cares if you hit on a second round pick if you're not going to have the financial advantages of it... The reason Parsons was coveted as a second round pick was because of his contract which was able to be negotiated because he was a second round pick, he fired his agent. KJ coincidentally has that agent that Parsons fired and instead of making a similar mistake they decided to take a gamble on KJ and it seems to be paying off, perceptions of him are high and he'll likely get paid, that's not good for the Sixers though.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#89 » by SOUL » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:50 pm

MCDubbin wrote:This forum lol

MCW was the worst pg in the league according to realgm but now we trade him for a very good first round pick and act like we committed the biggest sin.

I didn't like the KJ trade but I could see why it happened. He is a RFA after this year and our FO probably got hint that KJ was all about the money and isn't considering resigning unless we really paid him. Plus check his stats. It's not very good and I'm sure emergence of Grant helped the process too


RealGM is like that, but at the same time, a lot of Sixers fans that would argue for KJ/MCW and say how good they are, will be, now are saying they were expendable and weren't as good and don't regret the trades. Goes both ways.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#90 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:57 pm

I get the MCW trade, you hope for lottery luck and the 6th pick at best and a 10-15ish pick at worst which is probably his value in all honesty. ROY didn't make him an intriguing prospect, a lot of people have been down on him for a reason. That part makes total sense and may turn out to be a heist, you never know. If Hinkie decided he was not the PG of the future it's very unlikely he's getting a lottery pick for him next year when he'll be even further removed from that ROY shine. The MCW trade is the sort of thing that makes me believe Hinkie actually does have a master plan...

...But the KJ trade is the sort of thing that makes me wonder if he's full of crap. He got less for KJ than NY did for Prigioni. That was not good use of "assets", it was just a bad trade for Philly. Nice pickup for Houston though, the OG analytic king schooled his padawan today.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#91 » by Wonderllama » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:59 pm

Philly would rather have draft picks than actual players. Sam Hinkie must be the worst GM to play for. Joel Embiid better look out. He'll be traded in a heartbeat unless he balls out next season
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#92 » by Stills12 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:00 am

wicked_crossova wrote:
Stills12 wrote:
laploutocratie wrote:At some point you have to start assembling an actual team. Can't keep trading young players for younger potential players.

And that will happen in due time. Sixers after all are only in Year 2 of their rebuild.
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That's one way to look at it.


The other way to look at it is that after two whole years, all they have to show for it is 1 starter (Noel), a rookie that has a high risk of injury (Embiid), and a question mark that hasn't played a single game in the NBA (Saric). If that's all they can do in 2 years, how long is it going to take to get a decent team? 5? 10? and what player will want to sign with them when 1) they're horrible or 2) they're decent but they treat their players like numbers in a computer?

Well the 2nd year of rebuild hasn't finished yet. So you'll have to include this years pick into your equation too. So that's Noel, Embiid, Saric, own top lottery pick & Heat's 1st round pick as the worst case scenario. How is that not good for a 2 year rebuild process?
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#93 » by City of Trees » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:02 am

I'm okay with the MCW trade. McDaniels on the otherhand:shock:

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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#94 » by BullyKing » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:08 am

SOUL wrote:
MCDubbin wrote:This forum lol

MCW was the worst pg in the league according to realgm but now we trade him for a very good first round pick and act like we committed the biggest sin.

I didn't like the KJ trade but I could see why it happened. He is a RFA after this year and our FO probably got hint that KJ was all about the money and isn't considering resigning unless we really paid him. Plus check his stats. It's not very good and I'm sure emergence of Grant helped the process too


RealGM is like that, but at the same time, a lot of Sixers fans that would argue for KJ/MCW and say how good they are, will be, now are saying they were expendable and weren't as good and don't regret the trades. Goes both ways.


Certainly there's some of that. I think most Sixers fan though think that MCW was a lot better than GB gave him credit but still not worth that Lakers pick.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#95 » by Optms » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:10 am

laploutocratie wrote:At some point you have to start assembling an actual team. Can't keep trading young players for younger potential players.


The Sixers are just stockpiling picks and hoping a once in a generation talent comes by and saves them. They have no idea what they're doing. This is what separates well run organizations with the bad.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#96 » by GallagherArt » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:12 am

Optms wrote:
laploutocratie wrote:At some point you have to start assembling an actual team. Can't keep trading young players for younger potential players.


The Sixers are just stockpiling picks and hoping a once in a generation talent comes by and saves them. They have no idea what they're doing. This is what separates well run organizations with the bad.

Or they're stockpiling picks so that they can trade for a generational talent when one becomes available, although obviously if one simply comes along via the draft and saves us than that would be preferable.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#97 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:13 am

They have Noel, McGee, and Embiid.

That's a surplus of big man talent. They ought to be able to hit on one of these guys. McGee obviously has experience, but has been inconsistent quite a bit.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#98 » by GreenWithEnvy » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:19 am

Stills12 wrote:
wicked_crossova wrote:
Stills12 wrote:And that will happen in due time. Sixers after all are only in Year 2 of their rebuild.
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That's one way to look at it.


The other way to look at it is that after two whole years, all they have to show for it is 1 starter (Noel), a rookie that has a high risk of injury (Embiid), and a question mark that hasn't played a single game in the NBA (Saric). If that's all they can do in 2 years, how long is it going to take to get a decent team? 5? 10? and what player will want to sign with them when 1) they're horrible or 2) they're decent but they treat their players like numbers in a computer?

Well the 2nd year of rebuild hasn't finished yet. So you'll have to include this years pick into your equation too. So that's Noel, Embiid, Saric, own top lottery pick & Heat's 1st round pick as the worst case scenario. How is that not good for a 2 year rebuild process?


Noel is handicapped offensively, Embiid and Saric haven't played 1 NBA game, and judging by their draft history (less than 2 years) they aren't going to hit on those 1st round picks. They have no plan. Get with the program.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#99 » by TKainZero » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:20 am

MCDubbin wrote:This forum lol

MCW was the worst pg in the league according to realgm but now we trade him for a very good first round pick and act like we committed the biggest sin.

I didn't like the KJ trade but I could see why it happened. He is a RFA after this year and our FO probably got hint that KJ was all about the money and isn't considering resigning unless we really paid him. Plus check his stats. It's not very good and I'm sure emergence of Grant helped the process too


I had no idea that PHX considered putting that lakers pick on the market.

That might be one of the most valuable picks moved in recent time (nets with Gerald Walace and damiem lillard are the most likely comparison)

that lakers pick, when it comes, will be juicy for the 76ers. Could be number 6 this year, 4 next year. Having their own pick, plus the lakers top 3 protected pick in 2016 will be huge.

Philly is stockpiling assets, and they got a BIG one grabbing a lakers 1st rounder. I cant believe PHX gave that away, when they have several other 1st rounders to trade instead.
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Re: What are the Sixers doing? 

Post#100 » by TKainZero » Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:21 am

random philly thought...

Mcgee is probably the worst NBA mentor that Noel and Embid could have right?
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