What are the Sixers doing?

[c3neely]

We traded KJ Mcdaniels based off of his 1 year contract, the money he was going to demand next year, and that we werent going to pay him that money based off of his skill set. Its pretty simple if u really think about it...get a second round pick, and keep it movin

By trading MCW, we not only got a lottery pick back in return, but we solidified are tank this year, and our ability to draft a top 3 pick this draft and get a legitimate star on the team (Okafor, Towns, Russel)

I dont really understand what people "dont understand" about this concept. The Sixers didnt trade away anybody that they saw as long term staples of a contending team. Deal with it. Hail Hinkie

[c3neely]

A team is at risk of losing any player (or an asset, as you refer to them) if they get good. The goal is to find players who will get good; you want to be at risk off losing them because that means they are good enough for other teams to want.

So Philly has 4 million 2nd round picks. If one of them is as good as McDaniels, you'll just trade him for another 2 2nd rounders because, apparently, this is how you treat 'assets'.

This is just a cycle of mediocroty Hinkie has them in. He's playing NBA2K; the problem is that it's a real team, with real fans and real players.

He won't win anything because he is always playing for a future that will never come.

The team will be sold and re-located.

You're so myopic and short sighted. Do you have any money saved or do you just spend it all the first advertisement you see while walking down the sidewalk? Hinkie and ownership are committed to a long term goal. Do you think KJ McDaniels is a long term piece? For any team in the league?


Look at it this way. You bought 50 chicken nuggets and could only stuff 45 into your fat face. You can let the 5 extra ones get old and hard or you can trade them to your friend for a bag of potatoes. You can make multiple dishes with the potatoes. There is hope. You know what you have with the Mc nuggets and instead of wasting them you get a return. The 76ers have the best player evaluation metrics in the league hands down. You're telling me they should stray from their data to throw money at a **** player that you like just because he can dunk? The problem is most gms in the league are fat **** like you, and would rather eat old hard nuggets because they're too lazy or too stupid to make a baked potatoe or hash browns etc.



The 76ers are going to dominate the league. Hinkie is absolutely killing it right now. It's actually so laughable that people don't see this, but it's usually people like you who just can't comprehend things so hate on them. She's a witch, she's a witch!!!

Firstly, Ive reported you for personal abuse.

Secondly, he's not killing it. His team is at the bottom of the standings again. Oh yeah, the future. They are going to dominate the league. Right. What exactly have the got? 2 young bigs; both coming off major injuries. One who can't shoot and the other who has never played. One guy in Europe who won't be over for a while. And a heap of draft picks; none of which are a player just yet.

It's easy to be judged a success when you keep putting off judgement for a time that is always '3 years away'.

reported? How old are you? Does ure mom know ure up this late?

[Smirkin Dirk]

reported? How old are you? Does ure mom know ure up this late?

Do you mean "does your Mum know you're up this late"?

[Smirkin Dirk]

We traded KJ Mcdaniels based off of his 1 year contract, the money he was going to demand next year, and that we werent going to pay him that money based off of his skill set. Its pretty simple if u really think about it...get a second round pick, and keep it movin

By trading MCW, we not only got a lottery pick back in return, but we solidified are tank this year, and our ability to draft a top 3 pick this draft and get a legitimate star on the team (Okafor, Towns, Russel)

I dont really understand what people "dont understand" about this concept. The Sixers didnt trade away anybody that they saw as long term staples of a contending team. Deal with it. Hail Hinkie

So after 3 years of tanking you're left with what?

2 big guys who've suffered major injuries. One hasnt played, the other might top out at Marcus Camby. You've got someone in Europe, who hasnt' stepped on court yet. You've got 8 million 2nd round picks; if any of them become good they will be traded away for more picks. Asset management, and all that.

What's funny is this Hinkie snake oil salesman has 76s fans sucked in. When he keeps talking about the future, you never have to do anything in the present.

So after 2-3 years of roster deals, you still havent got a star, nothing close to it. Noel has shown he may be a rotation player, Embiid hasnt played a minute, a dude in Europe who will not want to come to that steaming turd heap you call an organisation.

But you can keep getting excited about more picks. And in 2 years when they arent Durant, trade them for even more picks. And then trade them. Fools, all of you.

Meanwhile Ill watch my team play playoffs for the 14th time in 15 years.

[GallagherArt]

So after 3 years of tanking you're left with what?

It's been a year and a half...

2 big guys who've suffered major injuries. One hasnt played, the other might top out at Marcus Camby. You've got someone in Europe, who hasnt' stepped on court yet. You've got 8 million 2nd round picks; if any of them become good they will be traded away for more picks. Asset management, and all that.

Saying one hasn't played, albeit true, doesn't dismiss the prospect that he is. You can be skeptical of his health, however he was the top prospect prior to his injury in what was a highly touted draft. The draft has lost it's luster due to the amount of injuries, however the proclamation still stands.

Noel is among the best defensive players in the league at 20 years old per DBPM, DWS, DRPM, fg% at rim, raw steals and blocks (will join The Admiral as being the only rookies to ever average more than 1.5 of each), etc. Capping what he can develop into at such a young age is foolish. Saric is the best Euro prospect according to most. Have 4 first round picks that will materialize this season or next, 5 first round picks in the next two drafts, and 8 million second round picks.

Why didn't Hinkie trade Grant or Covington then? Both have played better than KJ has afterall. KJ had a higher perception around the league because of his flash in the pan offensive performance in November and daily highlight plays. Believe it's likely Hinkie traded a player due to his impending FA and trending performance, since the December rolled around (36 games) KJ was shooting 36.9%, 24% from deep, also he can't dribble worth a damn. There's no advantage to drafting a player in the second round if you lose the financial advantage of drafting that player in the second round, KJ took a gamble on himself by taking the minimum of what second round picks are entitled to and it's paying off, good for him. Likely would be paying top prospect money without the polish or potential of what top draft picks usually have. I do want to say that I would have kept KJ due to his defensive savvy and more selfishly his highlight plays, I wouldn't have minded seeing what he would be worth as a RFA, but this is typical exaggerated outrage.

What's funny is this Hinkie snake oil salesman has 76s fans sucked in. When he keeps talking about the future, you never have to do anything in the present.

So after 2-3 years of roster deals, you still havent got a star, nothing close to it. Noel has shown he may be a rotation player, Embiid hasnt played a minute, a dude in Europe who will not want to come to that steaming turd heap you call an organisation.

As I mentioned, year and a half and it's astounding what he turned a team that had just traded most of it's assets for an incapacitated Andrew Bynum into in the course of that short span of time. We at least have a hopeful eventual star in Embiid and plenty of assets that was aforementioned, which is more than we had a year and a half ago. Noel has shown potential to be much better than a rotation player, piling onto his individual performance he's already anchoring among the most improved defenses in the league (currently ranked 12th), although after tonight the Sixers will have the best defensive rating in the league for the month February largely thanks to Noel.

Meanwhile Ill watch my team play playoffs for the 14th time in 15 years.

Good luck to the Mavericks.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Noel is among the best defensive players in the league at 20 years old per DBPM, DWS, DRPM, fg% at rim, raw steals and blocks (will join The Admiral as being the only rookies to ever average more than 1.5 of each), etc. Capping what he can develop into at such a young age is foolish.

Noel hasn't played a minute of meaningful game time. He's flashed some potential. But teams don;t have to play hard against a team that has deliberately engineered a D-league roster.

Saric is the best Euro prospect according to most. Have 4 first round picks that will materialize this season or next, 5 first round picks in the next two drafts, and 8 million second round picks.

None of these have played a minute in the NBA, meaninful or otherwise. I would not be surprised if Saric stays. Why would a Euroleague star come and play for a team with no interest in winning?

Why didn't Hinkie trade Grant or Covington then? Both have played better than KJ has afterall.

They'll be traded for more picks if they hit FA with value. The merri-go-round continues.

As I mentioned, year and a half and it's astounding what he turned a team that had just traded most of it's assets for an incapacitated Andrew Bynum into in the course of that short span of time. We at least have a hopeful eventual star in Embiid and plenty of assets that was aforementioned, which is more than we had a year and a half ago.

What has he turned you into? You're still bottom of the standings. No star. Not even a borderline star. It's all based on hypotheticals, potential future pay offs. More assets.

By the team Hinkie is revealed to be the televangelist he is, your team will be in serious trouble.

[GallagherArt]

Pick and choosing, lazy...

Noel hasn't played a minute of meaningful game time... But teams don;t have to play hard against a team that has deliberately engineered a D-league roster.

Strawman, lol. Exaggerations to undermine rationale.

None of these have played a minute in the NBA, meaninful or otherwise. I would not be surprised if Saric stays. Why would a Euroleague star come and play for a team with no interest in winning?

Similarly to other young prospects (MCW, KJ, Covington, Grant, etc) it presents an opportune platform for playing time.

They'll be traded for more picks if they hit FA with value. The merri-go-round continues.

Lol, or what I said was logical.

What has he turned you into? You're still bottom of the standings. No star. Not even a borderline star. It's all based on hypotheticals, potential future pay offs. More assets.

Turned it into a club with assets, if you don't believe that first round picks and prospects are assets than I can only hope that you're feigning ignorance, otherwise I don't know what to tell you.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Strawman, lol. Exaggerations to undermine rationale.

It's true. Someone putting 8/7 and a block and a half in nearly 30 minutes for a team with no interest in winning is not a whole lot to get excited about. Teams don't play against Philly. It's a D league team, through choice.

Similarly to other young prospects (MCW, KJ, Covington, Grant, etc) it presents an opportune platform for playing time.

2 of the guys you mentioned have already been traded away.

As I said; it's the lottery pick treadmill. A merri-go-round.

Turned it into a club with assets, if you don't believe that first round picks and prospects are assets than I can only hope that you're feigning ignorance, otherwise I don't know what to tell you.

You know what's better than assets and picks? Good players. And Philly has none of them.

You had a PG with obvious talent, but traded him for another 'asset'. Why? Because he couldnt shoot a high % or keep the ball when surrounded by D leagers.

All those 2nd rounders you got? Well one of them turned into a player. And what happened? He was traded for another 'asset'. This sill happen to Covington and Grant if they have value on their last years.

'Asset' treadmill/merri-go-round.

76s fans will wake up to this bloke soon enough.

[Mik317]

I wish fans of other teams would stop telling us how we should feel. This air of superiority does whatever valid points you have no favor...you just come off like a tool.

reposting from another thread:

I was no fan of the recent happenings but the idea that this will go on forever is stupid and I wish people would stop saying things like that.

If Embiid busts, Hinkie is out the door (unless whoever we take this year is the star or if Noel harnesses his sorrow of losing MCW into becoming god)...Which means despite my disliking of some things...nothing has changed. Next year was always going to be judgement day, MCW or not. Embiid comes out looking like Kwame for a season and we somehow take a step back (if that is possible.)..his ass is grass.

He also hasn't lied...he said from jump street that this will be a 3-5 year process...if by year 5,, he is still kicking patience..he will be out of a job. and again I dont think he gets 5 years to show some progress. IDEALLY, next year we aren't a garbage fire and outside of general growing pains and adjustments, we are a better team, then the next year we take steps to making the playoffs (perhaps aking it if the East is still bad), and then we are in the playoffs for sure year 5 and Hinkie's job is safe. Losing MCW and KJ doesn't change that aspect of it...no matter how much I dislike those moves ATM.

Will it work? who knows...the best laid plans and all that. But there is an end in sight....it may not be pretty but it will end. And if/when Hinkie fails, the next guy will have pieces to build it back up (just expect it to be a "basketball" guy instead of a "analytical guy").

I hated these moves but it doesn't really change much from what was expected....we will see.

[Ugly0598]

It's hard to evaluate any player on the Sixers roster when your team is LITERALLY a D-League roster. I don't think trading MCW is an awful return if it's a 6-12 pick, but it's still a bit of a head scratcher developing a guy for a year and a half to just send him packing.

I think Brett Brown should be commended for what he's done with such a crap sandwich.

[GallagherArt]

It's true. Someone putting 8/7 and a block and a half in nearly 30 minutes for a team with no interest in winning is not a whole lot to get excited about. Teams don't play against Philly. It's a D league team, through choice

It's an exaggeration. Since beginning the season 0-17 the Sixers are 12-24, there are 6 teams with worse winning percentages in that span. Are professional players and teams choosing to not play against them as well since those teams have actually been worse than the Sixers in a more relevant span and sample size? That's 20% of the league, lol. Regarding Noel specifically I cited the metrics and some of these advanced metrics will undoubtedly improve after tonight's 9 block, 4 steal performance is factored in, I took the liberty of adjusting the raw numbers to their rankings however.

6th highest DBPM
19th highest DWS
34th highest DRPM
11th in blocks per game
16th in steals per game
11th in opponent fg% allowed

For a rookie, that sort of impact is astounding.

2 of the guys you mentioned have already been traded away.

As I said; it's the lottery pick treadmill. A merri-go-round.

How does that pertain to a foreign player choosing to make the jump?

You know what's better than assets and picks? Good players. And Philly has none of them.

When you're differentiating picks from other assets than those assets are specifically player, with that clarified, how do you decipher who is a good player? You seem to be indirectly implying that we traded a good player in MCW, using him as a measuring tool we can attempt to see how many good players the Sixers actually do have according to you. So, what metrics would you consider to be proper measurements of a player's impact? Obviously it has to be encompassing in it's entirety or at least to each side of offense and defense.

You had a PG with obvious talent, but traded him for another 'asset'. Why? Because he couldnt shoot a high % or keep the ball when surrounded by D leagers.

If the pick conveys this season than it's a top pick, if it pushes to next season than it's weighing the valuation of a 25 year old MCW with 1 year remaining on his rookie contract to the Lakers top 3 protected pick that season. I like MCW, however you'd be hard pressed to convince most that the Lakers pick is not worth considerably more than that.

Also, I don't know how you can imply this then not give the same benefit of the doubt to Noel. You cut MCW slack, but not Noel... If teams clog the paint because the PG can't shoot that makes Noel's job of doing anything in the post on offense considerably more difficult.

All those 2nd rounders you got? Well one of them turned into a player. And what happened? He was traded for another 'asset'. This sill happen to Covington and Grant if they have value on their last years.

He was traded for assets, plural, and one of those was a prospect, Isiah Canaan. Canaan had played well in short spurts for the Rockets. Acquiring such a prospect consequently goes against this narrative of just shipping out prospects. Also, I had already gone on about KJ and I will quote that since you seemed to of ignored it...

Flash in the pan offensive performance in November and highlight plays lead to a bloated perception of KJ McDaniels. Believe it's likely Hinkie traded a player due to his impending FA and trending performance, since the December rolled around (36 games) KJ was shooting 36.9%, 24% from deep, also he can't dribble worth a damn. There's no advantage to drafting a player in the second round if you lose the financial advantage of drafting that player in the second round, KJ took a gamble on himself by taking the minimum of what second round picks are entitled to and it's paying off, good for him. Likely would be paying top prospect money without the polish or potential of what top draft picks usually have. I do want to say that I would have kept KJ due to his defensive savvy and more selfishly his highlight plays, I wouldn't have minded seeing what he would be worth as a RFA, but this is typical exaggerated outrage.

Grant and Covington have already been performing better than KJ had been, especially recently, his role was already a diminishing one (see his tapering off mpg). Also, Grant and Covington are both signed to 4 year contracts, in those 4 years they will have an opportunity to be evaluated before having to be committed to and invested in. KJ has been on the team for a few months in which time he had shown noticeable regression. Situations are not comparable.

[Smirkin Dirk]

It's like a cult. You're even parroting some of the same terminology he's using.

Best of your luck with your rebuild. All these years and 'asset management', maybe for a 35 win team.

[AussieBuck]

They've been tanking 5 minutes after doing the mediocre shuffle for years. Sure it's not exactly how I would have done it but they are building smarter than a heap of teams.

[Mik317]

again you'd do yourself a favor if you cut out the name calling and ****. Saying that anyone who disagrees with you are in a cult is an awful way to discuss anything and generally makes it pointless.

No one is willing to listen when they are being insulted and talked down to

[GallagherArt]

It's like a cult. You're even parroting some of the same terminology he's using.

If I said something irrational than by all means lets continue our discussion. I don't believe that I did though.

Resorting to ad hominem because it's convenient is lazy.

[kingofthecourt67]

It's like a cult. You're even parroting some of the same terminology he's using.

Best of your luck with your rebuild. All these years and 'asset management', maybe for a 35 win team.

I'm confused...why is 'asset management' in quotes? Is taking a systemic and rational approach to team building concerning to you? Has the word 'asset' never been used in the realm of sports?

[Smirkin Dirk]

If I said something irrational than by all means lets continue our discussion. Resorting to ad hominem because it's convenient is lazy.

I find the reduction of every player to these statistical abstractions to be the height of irrationality. You guys talk about players like anaylst talking about stocks. It's not building a team; it's the Orwellian 'asset managament' rubbish.

The metrics say Noel is great. That's fantastic. Ive seen teams play against Philly. I can't say these teams' intensity has made the game a must-watch.

Yeah MCW's metrics werent great. How did playing with a D league roster help him? Watch him play in Milwaukee.

And don't forget your young players are being developed in an environment when winning is not a priority. Metrics won't account for whether or not those players can rise to the next level if you ever make the playoffs.

But the fact posters are dropping terms like 'conveying' draft picks (I've never heard the word used in this context in my 20 years of fandom) as Hinkie does tells me some have drank the Kool-aid.

[Smirkin Dirk]

It's like a cult. You're even parroting some of the same terminology he's using.

Best of your luck with your rebuild. All these years and 'asset management', maybe for a 35 win team.

I'm confused...why is 'asset management' in quotes? Is taking a systemic and rational approach to team building concerning to you? Has the word 'asset' never been used in the realm of sports?

Interestingly, I just read Hinkie saying he never refers to players as assets, only picks.

I wonder how players feel when being thought of as 'assets'.

[AussieBuck]

I'd much rather use analytics than whatever the Mavs used that told them Rondo was going to be a good idea.

[kingofthecourt67]

If I said something irrational than by all means lets continue our discussion. Resorting to ad hominem because it's convenient is lazy.

I find the reduction of every player to these statistical abstractions to be the height of irrationality. You guys talk about players like anaylst talking about stocks. It's not building a team; it's the Orwellian 'asset managament' rubbish.

The metrics say Noel is great. That's fantastic. Ive seen teams play against Philly. I can't say these teams' intensity has made the game a must-watch.

Yeah MCW's metrics werent great. How did playing with a D league roster help him? Watch him play in Milwaukee.

And don't forget your young players are being developed in an environment when winning is not a priority. Metrics won't account for whether or not those players can rise to the next level if you ever make the playoffs.

But the fact posters are dropping terms like 'conveying' draft picks (I've never heard the word used in this context in my 20 years of fandom) as Hinkie does tells me some have drank the Kool-aid.

Ran a quick Google search...

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/02/19/blaz ... ets-trade/

If Portland's 2016 first round draft pick is not conveyed to Denver, it will move to a 2017 lottery-protected first round pick. If that pick is not conveyed, the Nuggets will receive two future second round picks.

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/bost ... ndo-010915

The Boston Celtics' goal this season has been clear: trade players to gain as many future draft picks and assets as possible. They traded Brandan Wright for one first-round pick on Friday, and reportedly have agree to trade Jeff Green for another.

This pick is top-10 protected and the Cavs are a virtual lock to not have a pick that high, so it's more than likely going to be conveyed to the Celtics.

Beware...our cultish habits are not only spreading to Boston but all the way out to Portland. Clearly Hinkie was novel in bringing in the phrase "assets" to the NBA

And you're just being lazy by explaining away our wins as a product of "decreased intensity." In fact, our defense has been in the top-12 league over the last couple of months. I think that might better explain our wins rather than teams taking it easy.

And you seem to not be a fan of analytics, but all it takes is a simple eye test to see that MCW can't shoot/finish that well at this stage in his career. Will he get it fixed? That remains to be seen...but there was more than analytics in play here.

As far as winning goes, not quite sure why you think that. If you would care to watch our team play, and this is supported by numerous opponents, our effort, hustle, and grit is constantly commended. We come to play, regardless of who is out on the floor for us. In fact, we blew out a Denver team that was accused of actually tanking games because they were feuding with their coach.

Players have their shots tracked during shoot around. They wear technology that tracks when they sleep. Their is a high level of accountability and a focus on player development that you would be hard-pressed to find in the rest of the league.