WOJ- Draymond Green Interested In Signing With Detroit

[treefi]

Not interested, solely because of the risk involved. He could easily become the "glue" this teams needs. But you don't spend $15M for glue.

Really good player, great state of Michigan guy, but not what this team is looking for...IF Monroe comes back.


If Monroe leaves, all bets are off, and this becomes a viable option. But I think this team is better with Monroe than with Green. And IMO it's a choice between the two.


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He could also become something like a prime Tayshaun Prince(still a 'good case' scenario). Which is nice, but $15 million? Yikes. While he played a PERFECT role for us, Prince isn't way we won a championship. You only pay the max for a player that is RESPONSIBLE for winning the championship, imo... I've found advanced stats that suggest D.J. Augustin was one of the best defensive PG's in the league after Jennings went down. Statistics can be twisted in an infinite amount of ways.

$15 million to take a chance on a new kind of superstar 'role player'? No, he's a glue guy. I might take a chance if he was 20 years old, but he's not.

Even if we were to give him 15 mil per. That will be like a 10mil per contract under the new TV deal the following year. I'm kinda thinking we need to go for it this summer and have our whole young core good contracts under the new CBA. Except Dre, he is our main piece and should be payed like it.

That 8 mil per stuff for quality players isn't happening now. These players and their agents now the cap is about to sky rocket. Look at Dragic expecting 20 mil per right now.

Still say it's dangerous as hell. I'm thinking a LOT of teams plan on doing this.... So what if we only sign a $6-$10 million contract this year with a younger 'role player' who has potential to get a lot better, potentially making the deal SICK in the future, and use the extra cap space to max Drummond + 1 more player? (by then, only true star players will deserve the gigantic new max contract)

If we can find a team to take Jennings from us(contract expires after next year and was playing incredible before he got injured, so there is a chance we could use him to trade up in the draft), how much cap space do we have this off-season?

[MotownMadness]

He could also become something like a prime Tayshaun Prince(still a 'good case' scenario). Which is nice, but $15 million? Yikes. While he played a PERFECT role for us, Prince isn't way we won a championship. You only pay the max for a player that is RESPONSIBLE for winning the championship, imo... I've found advanced stats that suggest D.J. Augustin was one of the best defensive PG's in the league after Jennings went down. Statistics can be twisted in an infinite amount of ways.

$15 million to take a chance on a new kind of superstar 'role player'? No, he's a glue guy. I might take a chance if he was 20 years old, but he's not.

Even if we were to give him 15 mil per. That will be like a 10mil per contract under the new TV deal the following year. I'm kinda thinking we need to go for it this summer and have our whole young core good contracts under the new CBA. Except Dre, he is our main piece and should be payed like it.

Bench players will be paid more too once the cap raises so we still have to be careful. Can GMs weight a contract light the first year and heavy every other year?

Yeah you can backload them, unless they changed it our something.

[MotownMadness]

He could also become something like a prime Tayshaun Prince(still a 'good case' scenario). Which is nice, but $15 million? Yikes. While he played a PERFECT role for us, Prince isn't way we won a championship. You only pay the max for a player that is RESPONSIBLE for winning the championship, imo... I've found advanced stats that suggest D.J. Augustin was one of the best defensive PG's in the league after Jennings went down. Statistics can be twisted in an infinite amount of ways.

$15 million to take a chance on a new kind of superstar 'role player'? No, he's a glue guy. I might take a chance if he was 20 years old, but he's not.

Even if we were to give him 15 mil per. That will be like a 10mil per contract under the new TV deal the following year. I'm kinda thinking we need to go for it this summer and have our whole young core good contracts under the new CBA. Except Dre, he is our main piece and should be payed like it.

That 8 mil per stuff for quality players isn't happening now. These players and their agents now the cap is about to sky rocket. Look at Dragic expecting 20 mil per right now.

Still say it's dangerous as hell. I'm thinking a LOT of teams plan on doing this, what if only sign a $6-$10 million contract this year with a younger 'role player' who has potential to get a lot better, potentially making the deal SICK in the future, and save enough money max Drummond + 1 more player. (by then, only true star players will deserve the gigantic new max contract)

If we can find a team to take Jennings from us(contract expires after next year and was playing incredible before he got injured, so there is a chance we could use him to trade up in the draft), how much cap space do we have this off-season?

I mean it's all pre mature right now. I'm not saying Draymond is worth that but young quality players are just hard to get all together.

[treefi]

Even if we were to give him 15 mil per. That will be like a 10mil per contract under the new TV deal the following year. I'm kinda thinking we need to go for it this summer and have our whole young core good contracts under the new CBA. Except Dre, he is our main piece and should be payed like it.

Bench players will be paid more too once the cap raises so we still have to be careful. Can GMs weight a contract light the first year and heavy every other year?

Yeah you can backload them, unless they changed it our something.

Yeah, then everyone is going to do that and this off-season is going to be wildly out of control. lol Very excited.

[treefi]

Even if we were to give him 15 mil per. That will be like a 10mil per contract under the new TV deal the following year. I'm kinda thinking we need to go for it this summer and have our whole young core good contracts under the new CBA. Except Dre, he is our main piece and should be payed like it.

That 8 mil per stuff for quality players isn't happening now. These players and their agents now the cap is about to sky rocket. Look at Dragic expecting 20 mil per right now.

Still say it's dangerous as hell. I'm thinking a LOT of teams plan on doing this, what if only sign a $6-$10 million contract this year with a younger 'role player' who has potential to get a lot better, potentially making the deal SICK in the future, and save enough money max Drummond + 1 more player. (by then, only true star players will deserve the gigantic new max contract)

If we can find a team to take Jennings from us(contract expires after next year and was playing incredible before he got injured, so there is a chance we could use him to trade up in the draft), how much cap space do we have this off-season?

I mean it's all pre mature right now. I'm not saying Draymond is worth that but young quality players are just hard to get all together.

If we're handing out a max contract to a SF/PF hybrid, I'd much rather pay Tobias Harris because he is only 22, with more NBA experience(121 NBA starts vs 64, and his career PPG is higher than Green's this year), and already improved as a shooter. I understand Draymond is GREAT defensively, but if that's what we're looking for why not find a way to draft Stanley Johnson or sit back and take Justice Winslow? Both of these prospects are probably 2 of the top 5 defensive players of the last 10-15 years available in the draft that don't play center or PG.

Winslow is a better offensive player than MKG already and Johnson is a better offensive player than Winslow with a surprise 3-point shot. He can also defend 3 positions.

[MotownMadness]

Still say it's dangerous as hell. I'm thinking a LOT of teams plan on doing this, what if only sign a $6-$10 million contract this year with a younger 'role player' who has potential to get a lot better, potentially making the deal SICK in the future, and save enough money max Drummond + 1 more player. (by then, only true star players will deserve the gigantic new max contract)

If we can find a team to take Jennings from us(contract expires after next year and was playing incredible before he got injured, so there is a chance we could use him to trade up in the draft), how much cap space do we have this off-season?

I mean it's all pre mature right now. I'm not saying Draymond is worth that but young quality players are just hard to get all together.

If we're handing out a max contract to a SF/PF hybrid, I'd much rather pay Tobias Harris because he is only 22, with more NBA experience(121 NBA starts vs 64, and his career PPG is higher than Green's this year), and already improved as a shooter. I understand Draymond is GREAT defensively, but if that's what we're looking for why not find a way to draft Stanley Johnson or sit back and take Justice Winslow? Both of these prospects are probably 2 of the top 5 defensive players of the last 10-15 years available in the draft that don't play center or PG.

Winslow is a better offensive player than MKG already and Johnson is a better offensive player than Winslow with a surprise 3-point shot. He can also defend 3 positions.

Yeah but like I said young quality player are hard to get for a small market. Just so happens Draymond is rumored to be interested in signing a offer sheet with his hometown. Just like Tobias Harris is already saying he's interested in going home to the Knicks.

[treefi]

I mean it's all pre mature right now. I'm not saying Draymond is worth that but young quality players are just hard to get all together.

If we're handing out a max contract to a SF/PF hybrid, I'd much rather pay Tobias Harris because he is only 22, with more NBA experience(121 NBA starts vs 64, and his career PPG is higher than Green's this year), and already improved as a shooter. I understand Draymond is GREAT defensively, but if that's what we're looking for why not find a way to draft Stanley Johnson or sit back and take Justice Winslow? Both of these prospects are probably 2 of the top 5 defensive players of the last 10-15 years available in the draft that don't play center or PG.

Winslow is a better offensive player than MKG already and Johnson is a better offensive player than Winslow with a surprise 3-point shot. He can also defend 3 positions.

Yeah but like I said young quality player are hard to get for a small market. Just so happens Draymond is rumored to be interested in signing a offer sheet with his hometown. Just like Tobias Harris is already saying he's interested in going home to the Knicks.

True. I don't think we're going to have much a problem convincing players to sign if its SVG with a core of Andre, Monroe, Jackson(say he works out) in a city that LOVES winning sports teams.

Is Cleveland a big market? Why is Draymond already interested in leaving the best team in the league, BEFORE they win a championship?

[MotownMadness]

If we're handing out a max contract to a SF/PF hybrid, I'd much rather pay Tobias Harris because he is only 22, with more NBA experience(121 NBA starts vs 64, and his career PPG is higher than Green's this year), and already improved as a shooter. I understand Draymond is GREAT defensively, but if that's what we're looking for why not find a way to draft Stanley Johnson or sit back and take Justice Winslow? Both of these prospects are probably 2 of the top 5 defensive players of the last 10-15 years available in the draft that don't play center or PG.

Winslow is a better offensive player than MKG already and Johnson is a better offensive player than Winslow with a surprise 3-point shot. He can also defend 3 positions.

Yeah but like I said young quality player are hard to get for a small market. Just so happens Draymond is rumored to be interested in signing a offer sheet with his hometown. Just like Tobias Harris is already saying he's interested in going home to the Knicks.

True. I don't think we're going to have much a problem convincing players to sign if its SVG with a core of Andre, Monroe, Jackson(say he works out) in a city that LOVES winning sports teams.

Is Cleveland a big market? Why is Draymond already interested in leaving the best team in the league, BEFORE they win a championship?

We have too see I guess. I'm definitely not dead set on Draymond either. There's definitely a reason to be very cautious handing him that kind of money. I wanna say yes just do it and sign him but that has gotten us into trouble before as well.

[treefi]

If Jackson takes off and becomes a star for SVG, we should trade Jennings, spend ALL of our money this offseason, and weight the contracts light the 1st year. We can go over the cap resigning Reggie right?

I'm not so sure he is the right PG of the future though. I keep remembering how I felt when we got Calderon, plus Reggie has many similar flaws as Rodney Stuckey.

But man oh man, if he excels and plays with a grudge... We're going to have a chance to build a contender next offseason. Nice work SVG. There is a chance, I can see a light at the end of the tunnel... This roster was a MESS to start the year. All I saw was eternal no matter which way I sliced it lol

[Pharaoh]

I honestly don't think a skyrocketing salary cap will benefit the average player.

Big guns will get a bigger slice of a bigger pie.

#2s & #3s will get bigger slices of the bigger pie too

But your average player will still get around whatever the new MLE will be.

Overpaying under any salary cap is a bad idea, regardless of "glue guys", 6th Men or other role players IMO

[OneBadMutha]

He's an elite glue guy. The effect he has on his team's overall efficiency on both ends is very under-rated. People don't think he's worth the money because they judge value based on how well players create with the ball in their hand or look at box scores. He's not going take over a game offensively but he will help you become more efficient with making the right plays and being versatile.

He's an elite version of Tayshaun Prince. Tay couldn't guard 4's. Green is a better defender.

[bstein14]

I was going to say the say thing about him being the elite version of Prince. He's a guy who's impact on winning is more than most players in this league... and at the end of the day, your impact on winning is what really matters, not scoring 20 a game.

[Notanoob]

If we're handing out a max contract to a SF/PF hybrid, I'd much rather pay Tobias Harris because he is only 22, with more NBA experience(121 NBA starts vs 64, and his career PPG is higher than Green's this year), and already improved as a shooter. I understand Draymond is GREAT defensively, but if that's what we're looking for why not find a way to draft Stanley Johnson or sit back and take Justice Winslow? Both of these prospects are probably 2 of the top 5 defensive players of the last 10-15 years available in the draft that don't play center or PG.

Winslow is a better offensive player than MKG already and Johnson is a better offensive player than Winslow with a surprise 3-point shot. He can also defend 3 positions.

There is no chance that we are going to get Stanley Johnson. I don't know why people act like this is a possibility. He's the top SF in the draft class and he'll be gone by the 8th pick at the latest. We might be able to land Winslow, but with Jackson on board we could very well win our way out of position to draft him. None of the Sf options after Winslow are realistic shots at a starting-caliber SF.

Also, Tobes is just a scorer. He brings nothing else to the floor since he can't guard either forward position. Don't judge a player by his PPG. Green's impact is miles ahead of Harris'. Harris is going to the Knicks anyways.

[ImHeisenberg]

If we're handing out a max contract to a SF/PF hybrid, I'd much rather pay Tobias Harris because he is only 22, with more NBA experience(121 NBA starts vs 64, and his career PPG is higher than Green's this year), and already improved as a shooter. I understand Draymond is GREAT defensively, but if that's what we're looking for why not find a way to draft Stanley Johnson or sit back and take Justice Winslow? Both of these prospects are probably 2 of the top 5 defensive players of the last 10-15 years available in the draft that don't play center or PG.

Winslow is a better offensive player than MKG already and Johnson is a better offensive player than Winslow with a surprise 3-point shot. He can also defend 3 positions.

Depending on price, I wouldn't have any problem with Tobias Harris. I've read he wants to go home to New York.

We aren't getting Stanley Johnson, he'll go top 5. Winslow very well may be out of our range as well. Hezonja (sp?) may be a guy we can get in the middle of the first round.