Will Reggie Jackson be our PG of the future?

Blkbrd671 · Post #1 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:43 am

Lets just get this out the way. Pick your side.

Did OKC mess it up and let go a potential allstar and future PG of our franchise.

i say yes

epheisey · Post #2 » by **epheisey** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:51 am

Where's the "I don't know, he hasn't played a single game for this team yet and this is incredibly premature" option........

Blkbrd671 · Post #3 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:00 am

epheisey wrote:Where's the "I don't know, he hasn't played a single game for this team yet and this is incredibly premature" option........

There's enough film on jackson for a poster to make a decision on whether he's goign to be a good player.

DETermination · Post #4 » by **DETermination** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:08 am

I think he will be. Listening to Stan talk about the trade he obviously thinks of Reggie as a big part of our future. The great thing is that we didn't give up much to get him, its crazy how so many people thought we would have to give up a 1st rounder or even Monroe to get Jackson but instead we get him for a backup point guard and Singler. The Celtics gave up a 1st round pick to get Isiah Thomas and I think Reggie is a better player and has much more potential. I'm interested to see what happens if he plays well and Jennings comes back healthy. We could trade Jennings for something or we could play them together or have Jennings be the 6th man while trying to get back to 100% because who knows how he will play after that injury. But this is why I love the moves Stan has done, he has left us with a lot of options next offseason.

princeofpalace · Post #5 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:15 am

Too soon to tell, who knows how he fits with the team and affects floor spacing. I can get behind 2014 Reggie Jackson, but this year Jackson's been doing his best AI Impression.

If Jackson can come in and get his teammates going and not just care about chucking up his own shot and if he can be a respectable 3 point shooter and not a defensive liabibility then yeah he could be our PGOTF. But its best to reserve judgment until he actually plays with this team.

Jacksons court vision nowhere near Jennings so I see little reason to just toss Jennings to the side at this point without seeing what Jackson looks like on this team.

mattao313 · Post #6 » by **mattao313** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:23 am

I picked no. To me it's kinda odd that people are basically throwin BJ in the trash when Reggie basically does nothing better as a PG as him but finish at the rim. To be honest I think he will be another Stuckey a guy that can get to the hole and score but a below average to average shooter with limited court vision. I'm not a big fan of combo guards unless their in the sixth man role or elite (westbrook). If he plays great I will gladly eat crow but until then I'm not a big believer in him.

Post #7 » by **dVs33** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:51 am

princeofpalace wrote:Too soon to tell, who knows how he fits with the team and affects floor spacing. I can get behind 2014 Reggie Jackson, but this year Jackson's been doing his best AI Impression.

If Jackson can come in and get his teammates going and not just care about chucking up his own shot and if he can be a respectable 3 point shooter and not a defensive liabibility then yeah he could be our PGOTF. But its best to reserve judgment until he actually plays with this team.

Jacksons court vision nowhere near Jennings so I see little reason to just toss Jennings to the side at this point without seeing what Jackson looks like on this team.

This is where i'm at too.
I wish him nothing but the best and i hope Reggie becomes an amazing player, but until I see him produce and make the team better, i have my reservations.
I'm not done with Jennings. He'll have his question marks once he gets back on the court, but i want to see where he's at next season.

tmorgan · Post #8 » by **tmorgan** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:24 pm

Good to see Reggie cheerleading like crazy tonight. He WANTS to be great. He WANTS his own team to run. That doesn't mean he can do it, but he'll get at least 1/3 of a season of a chance. If not, or if Jennings and Dinwiddie look like enough, hopefully he'll net more in return as a S&T this off-season. These games are REALLY important, and not just for him... it'll determine, to a large extent, his value to every team in the NBA.

princeofpalace · Post #9 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:20 pm

I'm willing to let Jacksons' horrible efficiency and chucking slide now that I've looked back and seen how little talent was on OKC while he was starting. And, if he is still a chucker despite having DrumRoe at his disposal we can atleast S&T trade him this offseason. Thats why I'm not mad about this trade, at worst- RJ is an asset. Still think its premature to automatically declare him PGOTF but if he proves himself I will get on board.

Don't think we have both RJ and Jennings on the team next season though. Have a feeling one of these guys gets swapped out for a wing especially if Dinwiddie builds off his performance against the Bulls.

AMW27 · Post #10 » by **AMW27** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:01 pm

I have mixed views on the trade.
If Jennings was not on the roster then I don't have a problem with this trade. With the arrival of Jackson that means Jennings may be on his way out. I don't believe Jackson is better than Jennings. Jackson is just living off of what he could potentially become or how good he thinks he is.

He is similar to what Jason Terry was in 2011 for the Mavs. A guy that can be a spark offensively off of the bench for a title contender.

If he becomes better than what he is then parting ways with a Jennings would be justified.

As of now he gave up a shot to win a title by wanting to prove how good he is.

Ghost · Post #11 » by **Ghost** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:32 pm

Its really too early to tell and the part with Jennings complicates things. I picked no, but I think he'll solidify himself as a part of our future. I think he'll do enough to get resigned and then hopefully he starts next to Jennings. If Jennings operates at point guard for like 30 minutes per game, it leaves enough for Jackson to still have a huge role running the team, he could play the rest of the minutes at SG.

Plus, when he's in at PG we could space the floor around him like Augustin was able to get this year off the bench... I think Jackson would put up great numbers with that. If he has that big of a role and we're playing better then we were before Jennings got hurt. Maaaaaan. It's going to be sick.

MrBigShot · Post #12 » by **MrBigShot** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:12 pm

Ask again at the end of the year. By then we'll have a pretty good idea of the type of player Reggie will be for us.

fekz · Post #13 » by **fekz** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:38 pm

I'm voting no because there's no option to wait and see. I think Jennings turned a corner under SVG and its crazy that people are acting like he's done without seeing how he plays upon return

Kilo · Post #14 » by **Kilo** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:48 pm

I say yes. Read an article where Pistons had the best pro scouting department in the league, or one of the best. Also Caron Butler played with Reggie Jackson in OKC last season, so was in the lockerroom with him, on the flights with him and knows him well enough and you can be sure Stan picked his brain about Reggie.

This season was a gong show - he didn't want to be there and his teammates didn't want him there. He could have handled it better, as could the Thunder. He wants to have a shot to have his own team, to be the "man" and he was NEVER going to get that behind Westbrook (obviously). OKC thought highly enough of him to offer him $48M over four years last off-season so they liked him a lot up until the point he turned it down. If Reggie didn't force his way out (after making a private request to be traded last season) he would have been locked behind Westbrook next season as well if he was forced to take a QO to get out once and for all. He couldn't risk bringing a RFA offersheet to OKC because they already showed they'd pay him and he wouldn't get more than the $48M over four on any offer sheet - so either he took that offersheet and OKC matched and he was there locked behind Westbrook for four more years or he took the QO to be a UFA come 2016 - taking the QO is a huge risk for a guy who was never paid big money yet - I mean look at the freak injury to Jennings, Achilles blows up from stepping down on it. He needs to secure his future with a long term deal while not wanting to sacrifice his personal dreams/goals/belief that he could be "the man" in the league and wanted the opportunity to do so before being a 28-29 yr old UFA after being a career back-up/6th man until that point.

Han Solo · Post #15 » by **Han Solo** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:02 pm

Notanoob · Post #16 » by **Notanoob** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:34 pm

I'm not convinced that he's the PG of the future, and given the depth at PG in this league, I don't know if I want the Pistons to had him his big contract. Thankfully, we don't have to. I could see the Knicks signing him since they have nothing on that team.

Hotmayo · Post #17 » by **Hotmayo** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:35 pm

yeth

circa 2013

DBC10 · Post #18 » by **DBC10** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:15 pm

It'll be a good few months trying him out, as long as he isn't causing a lockerroom type chaos inside like he was with OKC, then I can only see it going up. Plus, if he craps the bed, then someone else can max him out and we let him walk, re-sign Monroe, fill out other wing help, etc.

So my opinion is, wait and see. The gray area.

Blkbrd671 · Post #19 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:48 pm

Per SVG

"Two things, more than anything, other than just his overall play," Stan Van Gundy cited about what drew the Pistons to Jackson as a core piece to slot alongside Andre Drummond, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and – if it works out for both sides in free agency – Greg Monroe. "No. 1 is how he's played when he's had the chance to be a starter. He's been outstanding. And how he's played in big games, particularly in playoff games. This is a guy who's been very good. I don't think there was much question around the league as to this guy's ability."

"We wouldn't have made the move we did if we didn't feel ready to make it a long-term commitment," Van Gundy said Friday. "There's no guarantees. He's a (restricted free agent). We know we can keep him through next year no matter what he does, but we feel good about making a long-term commitment to him and hopefully he'll feel real comfortable making a long-term commitment here and we'll get it done.

"We're well aware of that, but (analytics) also shows he's a guy that gets into the paint, he's got a really good in-between game with his floater and he's a very, very good pick-and-roll player. He's got the potential, with his size and athleticism, to be really good defensively. I don't think he's there yet, in watching him, but I think he can be and he's a guy that we think with more minutes is going to be good. When you look at his shooting stroke, there's no problem there. He's an outstanding free-throw shooter. I think (3-point shooting0 will come around. When you're getting one or two attempts a game, that's always a difficult proposition. He's certainly got a lot of growth to go and we're looking forward to going through that process here."

Blkbrd671 · Post #20 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:15 am

"(General manager) Jeff (Bower) did a great job," Van Gundy said. "All those other (point guards traded on a dizzying deadline day) went for at least one first-round pick somewhere. We were able to stay out of that. Initially they had asked for a first and we stayed out of that – preserve our major assets going forward for a guy we think has a chance to be an outstanding player and fits what we're trying to do really, really well. Great in pick and rolls, bigger, more athletic, somebody we're really excited about."

ackson's 24, the same age as Greg Monroe. Caldwell-Pope turned 22 days ago. Drummond is 21. Monroe will be an unrestricted free agent this summer. The ball's in his court, but the Pistons are a viable option. Van Gundy thought he'd have to wait until July to add another player worthy of being lumped with those three as long-term cornerstones.

They got it done at the trade deadline, and if it wasn't a risk-free move, neither was the toll enough to set them back much if it doesn't flower the way Van Gundy envisions. The adage that the team that gets the best player wins the trade isn't infallible, but it's a pretty good barometer – and the Pistons preserved their future No. 1 picks against long odds.

http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/jac ... etty-smart