PG: Same old frustrating Bulls

[unknownnewbie]

at this point it doesn't make one bit of difference to me if Kirk is playing well while the others are not, I'd still rather see him on the bench rather than on the floor. Let the others play through some mistakes. We all want to see Snell, Dougie or Dunny play through their mistakes rather than watching Kirk-ball.

especially in crunch time, last 5 minutes of a game should be a no Kirk-zone

Yeah, forget the team "we all" just want to see our favorite players get minutes regardless.

No, "we all" don't want to see Snell or Dougie play through their mistakes while hurting the team. Snell and Dougie aren't going to organize the offensive and defensive sets when the team is wandering around looking like they have never played together.

well I'm sorry but I don't think Kirk is this important cog in the machine like you do, I think we'd be perfectly fine without his brand of senior citizen midget ball where you're happy when he scores 7 points because it qualifies as the best game he's had in over a month.

Snell happened to score 20+ points a few times this year, whens the last time kirk did that?

Kirk Hinrich good lord

Silly me...I'd rather see the players who are playing well out on the court. It's one thing not to yank Snell or Niko or whoever if he makes one or two mistakes. It's another thing entirely to leave them out there if they are stinking up the joint.

Meanwhile It wasn't that long ago that Kirk scored 20 ...Hinrich had a 20-point game earlier this season.

But you can't complain about him tonight, because he isn't playing...he is out with an illness.

[chifan1798]

we won't fall below 3

You do know that we are 1 game out of 5th, and 3 games out of 6th right? Could you please enlighten me on what the bulls have proven thus far that would let you come to the conclusion that the bulls won't fall below 3rd? Their play this season has shown quite the opposite.

Actually, that makes no sense at all. The Bulls play this season has indicated they are exactly a three seed. Which is why they are currently a 3 seed. If they play better, they can be a 2 or a one seed. If they play worse, they can fall to a 4,5 or 6 seed.

Sorry you had difficulty understanding my sensible comment, so let me break it down further. They're actually playing more like a 4-5 seed, meaning that they're middling the pack of the playoff teams. They are inconsistent, and very difficult to make an educated guess about which teams they are going to beat on a night to night basis.....probably have damn near have better luck just flipping a coin. Also, teams around them faltering such as the Wiz, for the past 4 weeks, and cavs earlier in the season when they didn't have Lebron, allowed the bulls to build up a lead. Now that lead is essentially by the skin of their teeth, with them not having the tiebreaker against either was or cle. If they play better, they can hold off the cavs, and stay 3rd or possibly get 2nd. If they continue this current play for the rest of the season, they'll be 4th at best. If they play worse, they'll be 5th or maybe even 6th

[vxmike]

I sat one row behind the Pistons bench for this game. My up close eye test:

- Gasol plays hard but he's old, slow and physically overmatched by stronger bigs.

- MDJ plays hard but he's old, slow and physically overmatched by quicker wings.

- Rose plays lazy uninspired basketball. He was routinely beaten off the dribble by Dinwiddie who also has a repaired ACL!!

- Noah is terrible, can't even make a layup. He plays hard but has few skills and is too small if his speed/hops aren't working (they aren't).

- Butler is a beast. I'd love to see him play with some shot creators and a real PG who distributes the ball.

- Taj is a beast when engaged. He and Jimmy are really the only two guys who combine capabilities and intensity on the floor. Everyone else is severely one-dimensional or lacks skill (ie. Kirk) or intensity (ie. Rose).

This team just doesn't have it.

[kdapiton]

Sometimes the other team is just better.

This is a good representation of what's wrong this team.

Ugghhh. Filthy.

[pb-ceo]

A Cavs team that was oh so ready for the All-Star break!

So when the Bulls beat the Cavs, the Cavs were coasting. But when the Bulls lose to the Pistons, the Bulls just suck. Because they should never coast. Are you really calling the Wiz championship contenders?

If you asked the entire TNT crew , they'd say the cavs were coasting. I certainly wouldn't call them playing one of their best games. And yes, the bulls just suck, because they've lost too many times to inferior teams like last night.

Yes, wiz may have taken a hit with Beal going down, but if he comes back, then they can be up there with the other 4 east teams

the cavs did not take that game as seriously as bulls did. windhorst, who is the cavs "whisperer" basically said it was a throwaway game for them. and they played like it. the tie breaker game for the two teams is in CLE.

[Stratmaster]

This is the most frustrating part. When are people going to stop making excuses? You lose games here or there, but what does it say about a team that has 21 losses, with 10...TEN being against garbage teams? Could have easily been more, if bulls didn't squeak by on a couple of their wins either.

This excuse making is the type of stuff you do for a team like Milwaukee.....we are supposed to be "contenders"....on paper, we have a deep team. We are the pick of many analysts. This team is inconsistent as they come. We have only 27 games left. These losses against teams we should easily beat can break us in the standings

IDK, what does it say when you beat all the good teams in the league, even when missing some of your best players?

Maybe it says they didn't give a crap about your team, and didn't take them seriously? Only thing is, we weren't horrible enough for those teams to get away with it

I don't think that. But if that is what you think...everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Stratmaster]

A Cavs team that was oh so ready for the All-Star break!

So when the Bulls beat the Cavs, the Cavs were coasting. But when the Bulls lose to the Pistons, the Bulls just suck. Because they should never coast. Are you really calling the Wiz championship contenders?

If you asked the entire TNT crew , they'd say the cavs were coasting. I certainly wouldn't call them playing one of their best games. And yes, the bulls just suck, because they've lost too many times to inferior teams like last night.

Yes, wiz may have taken a hit with Beal going down, but if he comes back, then they can be up there with the other 4 east teams

I was at the game. The Cavs were coasting. That wasn't the point. I say the Bulls could have been coasting last night.

I don't like it, by either team. but it does happen.

teams that suck don;t have the record the Bulls do, especially against good teams.

[Stratmaster]

You do know that we are 1 game out of 5th, and 3 games out of 6th right? Could you please enlighten me on what the bulls have proven thus far that would let you come to the conclusion that the bulls won't fall below 3rd? Their play this season has shown quite the opposite.

Actually, that makes no sense at all. The Bulls play this season has indicated they are exactly a three seed. Which is why they are currently a 3 seed. If they play better, they can be a 2 or a one seed. If they play worse, they can fall to a 4,5 or 6 seed.

Sorry you had difficulty understanding my sensible comment, so let me break it down further. They're actually playing more like a 4-5 seed, meaning that they're middling the pack of the playoff teams. They are inconsistent, and very difficult to make an educated guess about which teams they are going to beat on a night to night basis.....probably have damn near have better luck just flipping a coin. Also, teams around them faltering such as the Wiz, for the past 4 weeks, and cavs earlier in the season when they didn't have Lebron, allowed the bulls to build up a lead. Now that lead is essentially by the skin of their teeth, with them not having the tiebreaker against either was or cle. If they play better, they can hold off the cavs, and stay 3rd or possibly get 2nd. If they continue this current play for the rest of the season, they'll be 4th at best. If they play worse, they'll be 5th or maybe even 6th

It wasn't sensible. It was flat out illogical.

[Mbrahv0528]

So when the Bulls beat the Cavs, the Cavs were coasting. But when the Bulls lose to the Pistons, the Bulls just suck. Because they should never coast. Are you really calling the Wiz championship contenders?

If you asked the entire TNT crew , they'd say the cavs were coasting. I certainly wouldn't call them playing one of their best games. And yes, the bulls just suck, because they've lost too many times to inferior teams like last night.

Yes, wiz may have taken a hit with Beal going down, but if he comes back, then they can be up there with the other 4 east teams

the cavs did not take that game as seriously as bulls did. windhorst, who is the cavs "whisperer" basically said it was a throwaway game for them. and they played like it. the tie breaker game for the two teams is in CLE.

That's a bunch of bull. If they had won nobody would be saying they didn't take the game seriously. Cavs whisperer..good lord.

[chifan1798]

So when the Bulls beat the Cavs, the Cavs were coasting. But when the Bulls lose to the Pistons, the Bulls just suck. Because they should never coast. Are you really calling the Wiz championship contenders?

If you asked the entire TNT crew , they'd say the cavs were coasting. I certainly wouldn't call them playing one of their best games. And yes, the bulls just suck, because they've lost too many times to inferior teams like last night.

Yes, wiz may have taken a hit with Beal going down, but if he comes back, then they can be up there with the other 4 east teams

I was at the game. The Cavs were coasting. That wasn't the point. I say the Bulls could have been coasting last night.

I don't like it, by either team. but it does happen.

teams that suck don;t have the record the Bulls do, especially against good teams.

The thing that seems to be going over your head, this isn't an isolated incident that has happened like 3 or 4 times. This is consistently happening, to the point where half of their losses are against teams with a sub .500 record. I see how you conveniently didn't quote my post with the expanded team standings which shows that the bulls are the only good team with so many losses against bad teams. That doesn't even take into consideration the games against the bad teams that they damn near lost.

The bulls suck because they are not playing to the level that they are capable of. With their roster and coach, they shouldn't be losing to bad teams damn near on a consistent basis. They do suck this season, but are thankfully talented enough so that they can get away with things based of their sheer talent. Once they actually start giving a damn, then they'll stop getting criticized

[chifan1798]

Actually, that makes no sense at all. The Bulls play this season has indicated they are exactly a three seed. Which is why they are currently a 3 seed. If they play better, they can be a 2 or a one seed. If they play worse, they can fall to a 4,5 or 6 seed.

Sorry you had difficulty understanding my sensible comment, so let me break it down further. They're actually playing more like a 4-5 seed, meaning that they're middling the pack of the playoff teams. They are inconsistent, and very difficult to make an educated guess about which teams they are going to beat on a night to night basis.....probably have damn near have better luck just flipping a coin. Also, teams around them faltering such as the Wiz, for the past 4 weeks, and cavs earlier in the season when they didn't have Lebron, allowed the bulls to build up a lead. Now that lead is essentially by the skin of their teeth, with them not having the tiebreaker against either was or cle. If they play better, they can hold off the cavs, and stay 3rd or possibly get 2nd. If they continue this current play for the rest of the season, they'll be 4th at best. If they play worse, they'll be 5th or maybe even 6th

It wasn't sensible. It was flat out illogical.

I guess that's your "opinion" then isn't it? Because my explanation makes far more sense than that BS you typed out. Kind of hard to counter the fact that the Cavs have been killing it ever since Lebron came back....also hard to counter that the wiz have been floundering of late....also there's no counter for the bulls not owning the tie breakers because that is fact. They have like a 1.5 game lead over the 5th seed, yet it mass sense to you that they're 3rd with this type of play, and it's going to stay that way? Ok then

[chifan1798]

IDK, what does it say when you beat all the good teams in the league, even when missing some of your best players?

Maybe it says they didn't give a crap about your team, and didn't take them seriously? Only thing is, we weren't horrible enough for those teams to get away with it

I don't think that. But if that is what you think...everyone is entitled to their opinion.

So, in another quote you say that teams don't give their all, but now in this post you don't think it's possible for another team to not take the bulls seriously? If Rose, Gasol, Butler, or Noah are missing a game (and many times multiple players missing), then you don't think that sometimes those teams can have a let down against the bulls?

[Stratmaster]

Sorry you had difficulty understanding my sensible comment, so let me break it down further. They're actually playing more like a 4-5 seed, meaning that they're middling the pack of the playoff teams. They are inconsistent, and very difficult to make an educated guess about which teams they are going to beat on a night to night basis.....probably have damn near have better luck just flipping a coin. Also, teams around them faltering such as the Wiz, for the past 4 weeks, and cavs earlier in the season when they didn't have Lebron, allowed the bulls to build up a lead. Now that lead is essentially by the skin of their teeth, with them not having the tiebreaker against either was or cle. If they play better, they can hold off the cavs, and stay 3rd or possibly get 2nd. If they continue this current play for the rest of the season, they'll be 4th at best. If they play worse, they'll be 5th or maybe even 6th

It wasn't sensible. It was flat out illogical.

I guess that's your "opinion" then isn't it? Because my explanation makes far more sense than that BS you typed out. Kind of hard to counter the fact that the Cavs have been killing it ever since Lebron came back....also hard to counter that the wiz have been floundering of late....also there's no counter for the bulls not owning the tie breakers because that is fact. They have like a 1.5 game lead over the 5th seed, yet it mass sense to you that they're 3rd with this type of play, and it's going to stay that way? Ok then

And yet, if the season ended today what seed would the Bulls be? So if they play the way they have played so far, unless you assume those other teams are going to play better than they have so far, the Bulls will likely be a 3 seed. The Wiz have been floundering. You seem to assume they will turn it around, but the Bulls can't turn it around. I don't believe that; but you think the Bulls suck so I can see why you might. We will certainly find out soon.

[chifan1798]

It wasn't sensible. It was flat out illogical.

I guess that's your "opinion" then isn't it? Because my explanation makes far more sense than that BS you typed out. Kind of hard to counter the fact that the Cavs have been killing it ever since Lebron came back....also hard to counter that the wiz have been floundering of late....also there's no counter for the bulls not owning the tie breakers because that is fact. They have like a 1.5 game lead over the 5th seed, yet it mass sense to you that they're 3rd with this type of play, and it's going to stay that way? Ok then

And yet, if the season ended today what seed would the Bulls be? So if they play the way they have played so far, unless you assume those other teams are going to play better than they have so far, the Bulls will likely be a 3 seed. The Wiz have been floundering. You seem to assume they will turn it around, but the Bulls can't turn it around. I don't believe that; but you think the Bulls suck so I can see why you might. We will certainly find out soon.

Thing is, the season doesn't end today, so who gives a crap about where they are now? Their continued poor play is indicating that they still haven't turned things around, and they are now running out of regular season games to do so. Right now, the way the bulls are playing, I'd have them slated as 4th by season's end. I think the bulls are better than the wiz, especially with them not having Beal right now. However, the Cavs are on a roll, and are looking better as the season goes on.....unlike the bulls.....thus, I think they will overtake the bulls. If the bulls can actually play better these last 27 games, then they'll get to keep the 3rd seed. right now, they're losing to the suns who had a major trade which made them worse, are at home, after getting embarrassed last night, and are trailing at the half. Seems like same **** different day to me so far

[Stratmaster]

I guess that's your "opinion" then isn't it? Because my explanation makes far more sense than that BS you typed out. Kind of hard to counter the fact that the Cavs have been killing it ever since Lebron came back....also hard to counter that the wiz have been floundering of late....also there's no counter for the bulls not owning the tie breakers because that is fact. They have like a 1.5 game lead over the 5th seed, yet it mass sense to you that they're 3rd with this type of play, and it's going to stay that way? Ok then

And yet, if the season ended today what seed would the Bulls be? So if they play the way they have played so far, unless you assume those other teams are going to play better than they have so far, the Bulls will likely be a 3 seed. The Wiz have been floundering. You seem to assume they will turn it around, but the Bulls can't turn it around. I don't believe that; but you think the Bulls suck so I can see why you might. We will certainly find out soon.

Thing is, the season doesn't end today, so who gives a crap about where they are now? Their continued poor play is indicating that they still haven't turned things around, and they are now running out of regular season games to do so. Right now, the way the bulls are playing, I'd have them slated as 4th by season's end. I think the bulls are better than the wiz, especially with them not having Beal right now. However, the Cavs are on a roll, and are looking better as the season goes on.....unlike the bulls.....thus, I think they will overtake the bulls. If the bulls can actually play better these last 27 games, then they'll get to keep the 3rd seed. right now, they're losing to the suns who had a major trade which made them worse, are at home, after getting embarrassed last night, and are trailing at the half. Seems like same **** different day to me so far

I get it. You think the Bulls suck. As far as you're concerned, the sky isn't just falling, it has already fallen.

[chifan1798]

And yet, if the season ended today what seed would the Bulls be? So if they play the way they have played so far, unless you assume those other teams are going to play better than they have so far, the Bulls will likely be a 3 seed. The Wiz have been floundering. You seem to assume they will turn it around, but the Bulls can't turn it around. I don't believe that; but you think the Bulls suck so I can see why you might. We will certainly find out soon.

Thing is, the season doesn't end today, so who gives a crap about where they are now? Their continued poor play is indicating that they still haven't turned things around, and they are now running out of regular season games to do so. Right now, the way the bulls are playing, I'd have them slated as 4th by season's end. I think the bulls are better than the wiz, especially with them not having Beal right now. However, the Cavs are on a roll, and are looking better as the season goes on.....unlike the bulls.....thus, I think they will overtake the bulls. If the bulls can actually play better these last 27 games, then they'll get to keep the 3rd seed. right now, they're losing to the suns who had a major trade which made them worse, are at home, after getting embarrassed last night, and are trailing at the half. Seems like same **** different day to me so far

I get it. You think the Bulls suck. As far as you're concerned, the sky isn't just falling, it has already fallen.

They do suck considering how much better they should be given their personnel, and with the fact that they apparently aren't giving effort on the defensive end.

I get that you aren't concerned , but you can't seriously believe that the bulls are playing like the 3rd best team in the conference right now. Cavs, raptors and hawks are all playing better. Had the bulls lost to the Cavs last week, and the bulls were in 4th place, you'd be saying, the bulls are "right where they should be" to that scenario as well. But when someone else says it, you want to argue for the sake of arguing.....seems like same ****, different board

[Stratmaster]

Thing is, the season doesn't end today, so who gives a crap about where they are now? Their continued poor play is indicating that they still haven't turned things around, and they are now running out of regular season games to do so. Right now, the way the bulls are playing, I'd have them slated as 4th by season's end. I think the bulls are better than the wiz, especially with them not having Beal right now. However, the Cavs are on a roll, and are looking better as the season goes on.....unlike the bulls.....thus, I think they will overtake the bulls. If the bulls can actually play better these last 27 games, then they'll get to keep the 3rd seed. right now, they're losing to the suns who had a major trade which made them worse, are at home, after getting embarrassed last night, and are trailing at the half. Seems like same **** different day to me so far

I get it. You think the Bulls suck. As far as you're concerned, the sky isn't just falling, it has already fallen.

They do suck considering how much better they should be given their personnel, and with the fact that they apparently aren't giving effort on the defensive end.

I get that you aren't concerned , but you can't seriously believe that the bulls are playing like the 3rd best team in the conference right now. Cavs, raptors and hawks are all playing better. Had the bulls lost to the Cavs last week, and the bulls were in 4th place, you'd be saying, the bulls are "right where they should be" to that scenario as well. But when someone else says it, you want to argue for the sake of arguing.....seems like same ****, different board

Of the teams you mention, the only team in the East playing any better than the Bulls of late is Cleveland. the Raptors are 7-3 in their last 10. The Bulls and Hawks are 6-4. The Wizards are 2-8. I have concerns about the Bulls performance of late. But you act like all those other teams are tearing it up. Of course, the Hawks have a significant head start. After that, it is wide open.