Kings @ Clippers

[Kings2013]

Good start. Let's make it 2-0 in Karl era. JT starting, hopefully we will get same bench impact

[Kings2013]

Rays been developing

[PZiv]

Man your bench makes Austin Scrubbers look like lottery pick.

[Kings2013]

Disgusting run that saw us go from 6-7 up to 9 down. Cousins needs to bring it

[Kings2013]

Went from bein competitive to being blown out in a quarter.. Just not a good look

[SacKingZZZ]

Ok, this is really going to show if that talk about Karl coaching to the abilities and needs of his personnel is real or just fluff. I'm just hoping that the first 6 minutes of the last game and almost the entire first half in this one, when the game went halfcourt style that is, have shown Karl something anyone with a brain should have seen for 4 years: COUSINS IS NOT A PICK AND ROLL PLAYER outside of pick and pop. They have run almost nothing but pick and roll with Cuz when he's been out there. Karl ditched it after the poor start against Boston and he ran it into the ground the the 2nd quarter this go around. Cousins is wasting a ton of energy setting screens up at the 3 point line and getting no looks out of it for himself. Cousins creates plays but he's not a traditional finisher in the pick and roll. That's like shoving a tree branch through a key hole.

And it looks like the realities of this "running team" are setting in. This can't be a run and gun team, just can't be.

[Kings2013]

Bens field goal % still regressing and his defense hasn't been there

[SacKingZZZ]

Malone did it early this season and Karl just did it right now, haha, he passed the test! He ditched the pick and roll and is letting Cousins attack with the ball from the outside in the triple threat and he's KILLING the Clipps. Just have to hope they cool off on the other end.

[Kings2013]

Cousins needs to put it together and stop annoying me.. Turnovers or bad shooting, we need to see the full package on a nightly basis

[KF10]

Yikes.

[SacKingZZZ]

And Karl is probably regretting letting that deadline go by as it did.

Sorry buddy, it is what it is.

[City of Trees]

Dude.. Reality check. Karl has been around this team 5 days. It's all evaluation at this point. Anyone who expects to see change already is not thinking clearly. Karl is going to put players in situations to see how they react, he is going to run certain plays all game to see how a player performs, he's going to try every line up imaginable.... Why are we blaming Karl for running pick n roll with Cuz for a game? Seriously. That Boston win raised some expectations I see.... Kings maybe get another 8 wins this season.

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[Sacramento_King]

Dude.. Reality check. Karl has been around this team 5 days. It's all evaluation at this point. Anyone who expects to see change already is not thinking clearly. Karl is going to put players in situations to see how they react, he is going to run certain plays all game to see how a player performs, he's going to try every line up imaginable.... Why are we blaming Karl for running pick n roll with Cuz for a game? Seriously. That Boston win raised some expectations I see.... Kings maybe get another 8 wins this season.

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Agreed. Let's hope Nik shows us something. Ray Mac plays better. Ben grows. We need some promise in our youth for future.

Spacing was poor all night. Omri and Landry are black holes. JT is terrible. We have no depth. No outside shooting. We have way to many holes on this team

[bleeds_purple]

Ok, this is really going to show if that talk about Karl coaching to the abilities and needs of his personnel is real or just fluff. I'm just hoping that the first 6 minutes of the last game and almost the entire first half in this one, when the game went halfcourt style that is, have shown Karl something anyone with a brain should have seen for 4 years: COUSINS IS NOT A PICK AND ROLL PLAYER outside of pick and pop. They have run almost nothing but pick and roll with Cuz when he's been out there. Karl ditched it after the poor start against Boston and he ran it into the ground the the 2nd quarter this go around. Cousins is wasting a ton of energy setting screens up at the 3 point line and getting no looks out of it for himself. Cousins creates plays but he's not a traditional finisher in the pick and roll. That's like shoving a tree branch through a key hole.

And it looks like the realities of this "running team" are setting in. This can't be a run and gun team, just can't be.

I have to agree. I don't want to be over-reactionary over just 8 quarters but my gut tells me this style of play is horrible for our two best players. This sounds harsh but as I see it we will either need to give up on this idea of playing run-and-gun or trade Cousins and Gay. Its like oil and water.

For **** and giggles because I'm bored (and not that I would ever want to do this to be perfectly honest) Cousins for Gobert/Hayward/Burke followed by Rudy/Stauskas for Anderson/Gordon. Followed by throwing a max contract offer to Draymond Green. That's an actual run and gun team. Don't know if any of the teams would really be willing at the end of the day.

[DaddyCool19]

What's up with Casspi? In the last 2 games he's averaging like 15 Rebounds per game. Is he playing as a PF or why are his numbers that good?

[KF10]

What's up with Casspi? In the last 2 games he's averaging like 15 Rebounds per game. Is he playing as a PF or why are his numbers that good?

Rebounding really comes down to effort and smarts (eg knowing where the ball will be after miss, getting into position etc etc) .

Lately, Casspi has showed both things in the past couple of games. Not sure if his rebounding numbers are sustainable (likely not) but I always thought Casspi is good enough to pull down at least 5 boards/game by just out working players for the ball.

[City of Trees]

Ok, this is really going to show if that talk about Karl coaching to the abilities and needs of his personnel is real or just fluff. I'm just hoping that the first 6 minutes of the last game and almost the entire first half in this one, when the game went halfcourt style that is, have shown Karl something anyone with a brain should have seen for 4 years: COUSINS IS NOT A PICK AND ROLL PLAYER outside of pick and pop. They have run almost nothing but pick and roll with Cuz when he's been out there. Karl ditched it after the poor start against Boston and he ran it into the ground the the 2nd quarter this go around. Cousins is wasting a ton of energy setting screens up at the 3 point line and getting no looks out of it for himself. Cousins creates plays but he's not a traditional finisher in the pick and roll. That's like shoving a tree branch through a key hole.

And it looks like the realities of this "running team" are setting in. This can't be a run and gun team, just can't be.

I have to agree. I don't want to be over-reactionary over just 8 quarters but my gut tells me this style of play is horrible for our two best players. This sounds harsh but as I see it we will either need to give up on this idea of playing run-and-gun or trade Cousins and Gay. Its like oil and water.

Karl has said his system would have Cousins getting touches in a variety of ways, slashing, posting, screens, cutting, and even 3 pt shot. Karl has also said he doesn't call plays, his system is designed for the player to make decisions. So how is it the systems fault when the players aren't running it properly? Cousins is posting and running the PnR cause that's what he knows how to do. These guys haven't even learned how to run the system so how can fans already deem it doesn't work after two practices? Really.

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[City of Trees]

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Ok, this is really going to show if that talk about Karl coaching to the abilities and needs of his personnel is real or just fluff. I'm just hoping that the first 6 minutes of the last game and almost the entire first half in this one, when the game went halfcourt style that is, have shown Karl something anyone with a brain should have seen for 4 years: COUSINS IS NOT A PICK AND ROLL PLAYER outside of pick and pop. They have run almost nothing but pick and roll with Cuz when he's been out there. Karl ditched it after the poor start against Boston and he ran it into the ground the the 2nd quarter this go around. Cousins is wasting a ton of energy setting screens up at the 3 point line and getting no looks out of it for himself. Cousins creates plays but he's not a traditional finisher in the pick and roll. That's like shoving a tree branch through a key hole.

And it looks like the realities of this "running team" are setting in. This can't be a run and gun team, just can't be.

I have to agree. I don't want to be over-reactionary over just 8 quarters but my gut tells me this style of play is horrible for our two best players. This sounds harsh but as I see it we will either need to give up on this idea of playing run-and-gun or trade Cousins and Gay. Its like oil and water.

Karl has said his system would have Cousins getting touches in a variety of ways, slashing, posting, screens, cutting, and even 3 pt shot. Karl has also said he doesn't call plays, his system is designed for the player to make decisions. So how is it the systems fault when the players aren't running it properly? Cousins is posting and running the PnR cause that's what he knows how to do. These guys haven't even learned how to run the system so how can fans already deem it doesn't work after two practices? Really.

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It's pretty simple in my eyes. Cousins and Gay are best utilized pounding it in the post possession after possession. We had a nice offense under Malone doing that and teams were having a hell of a time going up against our bully ball. The best counter was front Cousins and denying him the ball. Then Thompson seemed to master the high-low entry pass out of no where and fronting the post turned into death. Then we all know what happened next.

Simply put Rudy and Demarcus are not good in an uptempo game for varying reasons. They both are horrible decision makers in fast breaks. They both take horrible shots if you turn the pace up. They are both BEST in the post which seems not no longer be the emphasis. Its just a case of square peg round hole.

You seem to be saying they COULD be executing the system better. I totally agree. But is this system ever going to be OPTIMAL for their skills? The answer is plainly no. A team centered around Cousins and Gay will never succeed like this - they are not going to magically relearn their whole game. No good coach EVER asks their players do to that - let alone their best players.

[SacKingZZZ]

Dude.. Reality check. Karl has been around this team 5 days. It's all evaluation at this point. Anyone who expects to see change already is not thinking clearly. Karl is going to put players in situations to see how they react, he is going to run certain plays all game to see how a player performs, he's going to try every line up imaginable.... Why are we blaming Karl for running pick n roll with Cuz for a game? Seriously. That Boston win raised some expectations I see.... Kings maybe get another 8 wins this season.

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And bigger reality check. There have been 3, count 'em 3 coaches before Karl that have tried to turn this same basic type of squad into a run and gunner. Didn't work. I think Karl has the best shot but this team is trying to out shoot teams without pure shooters. It's trying to get 30 assists without guys used to moving without the ball while also being largely incapable of spreading the floor. This was Petes problem, still is Petes problem. It will remain Pete's problem until it's no longer his problem to be concerned with which if there aren't some moves made to help his coach will probably be sometime shortly after the start of the next season.

The first sign of a coach that knows what's going on is a coach that alters his plan when it starts to utterly fail. He ditched wasn't working and that's a good sign, the last coach that did the same thing was Malone. Westphal tried to do it but he had already alienated his players by that point so he could have brought boxes of candy and roses to his players every day and they would have told him to F off.