2014-2015 NBA MVP Discussion

[olive_triangurl]

Harden is the real mvp
but the media will give it to Curry, the warriors have the better record

That's only fair, as Barkley got 1992-93 MVP when the Suns had a better record than the Bulls, despite Jordan leading him in points (32.6ppg compared to 25.6ppg), assists, steals, trey% and Jordan 2.7 turnovers while Barkley 3.1 turnovers.
Heck, Barkley's career-highs in points, rebounds, fg%, steals, blocks were all in his Philly years.

[CellarDoor]

Harden is the real mvp
but the media will give it to Curry, the warriors have the better record

That's only fair, as Barkley got 1992-93 MVP when the Suns had a better record than the Bulls, despite Jordan leading him in points (32.6ppg compared to 25.6ppg), assists, steals, trey% and Jordan 2.7 turnovers while Barkley 3.1 turnovers.
Heck, Barkley's career-highs in points, rebounds, fg%, steals, blocks were all in his Philly years.

I didn't want to mention this first as I'm a Bulls' fan, but this is the first MVP race that came to mind when I was reading the thread today.

[TaylorMonkey]

The "stacked" Warriors can't even beat Indiana or shoot above 40% without Curry. They have absolutely no consistent offense outside of Klay half chucking without Steph.

I think we can put the "Curry's team is too good for MVP" narrative to rest, even as it was complete ridiculous to begin with. For those who insist on the "give my guy the MVP for games he doesn't play" storyline, Curry's on the scoreboard now.

[Atmanne]

For those who insist on the "give my guy the MVP for games he doesn't play" storyline, Curry's on the scoreboard now.

Naw. He needs to rest another nine games to cement his MVP case.

[TaylorMonkey]

No horse in this race, but as amazing Harden and Curry have been, have to go with Lebron. Would Rockets or Warriors be better off with Lebron rather than Harder or Curry? Would the Cavs be better off with Harden or Curry over Lebron? I know they play different positions and all that, but the fact of the matter remains that Lebron makes any team a contender, and I don't think the same can be said of Curry or Harden.

Did you take a Lebron-vacation from the NBA this entire season? O_o

Meanwhile Curry has been doing his thing day in and day out from the start of the season, ALSO with a new (rookie!) coach and an entirely new offensive system. Curry bought in from day one even though his beloved coach was fired against his wishes, and now leads the team with the best record in the league holding the best individual advanced metrics and playing every game this season so far in a much tougher conference. It's also arguable if Klay and GSW's next best player--Green?-- are even as talented as Love and Irving.

The cavs have an 8 player rotation. Of those 8 players, LeBron had never played with any of them prior to this season. None of the other 7 players made the playoffs last year, 4 of them have never made the playoffs at all. How is that even remotely the same as a 51 win team returning pretty much everyone except the coach?

I was mainly addressing the coaching and offensive system situation. I see you didn't address any of the other points made or the fact that Lebron is one of three superstars.

Lebron is not the MVP. MVPs don't need to have a hell of a lot of excuses made for them or for their missed games or mediocre record to be ignored to call attention to a stretch of games that is less than half the season.

I actually like Lebron. But the twisted narrative to get him into the discussion is pretty ridiculous.

[INKtastic]

Twisted narrative? LeBron's play gets him in the discussion.

[day1086]

Twisted narrative? LeBron's play gets him in the discussion.

You mean lebron's sitting got him in the discussion?

[bondom34]

Still say Russ should get some votes. Curry wins it though, Harden 2nd.

[airyak13]

The "stacked" Warriors can't even beat Indiana or shoot above 40% without Curry. They have absolutely no consistent offense outside of Klay half chucking without Steph.

I think we can put the "Curry's team is too good for MVP" narrative to rest, even as it was complete ridiculous to begin with. For those who insist on the "give my guy the MVP for games he doesn't play" storyline, Curry's on the scoreboard now.

I love how pro-Curry guys are throwing everything into this one very bad game, in which Klay Thompson shot 28 shots. This is just a guess, but if the "stacked" Warriors can't shoot above 40% for the ROS without Curry, they would be the first team in the NBA to fail to accomplish this feat in the past couple of decades. Thus, it makes absolutely no sense to extrapolate one very poor game into this storyline.

Curry is still an MVP favorite, but anyone doubting that the Warriors have one of the best all around rosters in the league is simply delusional.

[day1086]

The "stacked" Warriors can't even beat Indiana or shoot above 40% without Curry. They have absolutely no consistent offense outside of Klay half chucking without Steph.

I think we can put the "Curry's team is too good for MVP" narrative to rest, even as it was complete ridiculous to begin with. For those who insist on the "give my guy the MVP for games he doesn't play" storyline, Curry's on the scoreboard now.

I love how pro-Curry guys are throwing everything into this one very bad game, in which Klay Thompson shot 28 shots.

Anyone doubting that the Warriors have one of the best all around rosters in the league is simply delusional.

I think it's built very well to be centered around Stephen Curry. I think all of the individual players outside of steph have been getting overrated however. For exampl: if a team overpays for draymond, they are going to be very disappointed at his offensive output without steph spoonfeeding open looks.

They are good players who are being elevated by a superstar.

[andrewww]

It'll come down to Curry vs. Harden imo.

[TaylorMonkey]

Twisted narrative? LeBron's play gets him in the discussion.

You mean lebron's sitting got him in the discussion?

LeBron's NOT playing gets him in the discussion, apparently.

[TaylorMonkey]

The "stacked" Warriors can't even beat Indiana or shoot above 40% without Curry. They have absolutely no consistent offense outside of Klay half chucking without Steph.

I think we can put the "Curry's team is too good for MVP" narrative to rest, even as it was complete ridiculous to begin with. For those who insist on the "give my guy the MVP for games he doesn't play" storyline, Curry's on the scoreboard now.

I love how pro-Curry guys are throwing everything into this one very bad game, in which Klay Thompson shot 28 shots. This is just a guess, but if the "stacked" Warriors can't shoot above 40% for the ROS without Curry, they would be the first team in the NBA to fail to accomplish this feat in the past couple of decades. Thus, it makes absolutely no sense to extrapolate one very poor game into this storyline.

Curry is still an MVP favorite, but anyone doubting that the Warriors have one of the best all around rosters in the league is simply delusional.

The Warriors have one of the best constructed rosters around Curry.

But it is not a roster that is good enough apart from Curry to take credit from Curry, which is what the Harden guys have been trying to do-- and it is much less offensively loaded than even the pre-trade two superstar Lebron-less Cavs which the Lebron guys are trying to make seem like scrubs he is carrying.

Thompson jacking up 28 to have a Harden-esque performance (efficiency significantly buoyed by free throws) shows what happens to the offense without Curry.

It's one game but it's the first point of data we have on the team without Curry this season, and it's consistent with the metrics and observations made of the Warriors over the year. We didn't need our MVP candidate to miss a quarter of games played and rejoin after his roster was revamped to show his value, but this is the first real look at the silly claims some have made that GSW is somehow particularly good without him.

[gmoney411]

The "stacked" Warriors can't even beat Indiana or shoot above 40% without Curry. They have absolutely no consistent offense outside of Klay half chucking without Steph.

I think we can put the "Curry's team is too good for MVP" narrative to rest, even as it was complete ridiculous to begin with. For those who insist on the "give my guy the MVP for games he doesn't play" storyline, Curry's on the scoreboard now.

I love how pro-Curry guys are throwing everything into this one very bad game, in which Klay Thompson shot 28 shots. This is just a guess, but if the "stacked" Warriors can't shoot above 40% for the ROS without Curry, they would be the first team in the NBA to fail to accomplish this feat in the past couple of decades. Thus, it makes absolutely no sense to extrapolate one very poor game into this storyline.

Curry is still an MVP favorite, but anyone doubting that the Warriors have one of the best all around rosters in the league is simply delusional.

The Warriors have one of the best constructed rosters around Curry.

But it is not a roster that is good enough apart from Curry to take credit from Curry, which is what the Harden guys have been trying to do-- and it is much less offensively loaded than even the pre-trade two superstar Lebron-less Cavs which the Lebron guys are trying to make seem like scrubs he is carrying.

Thompson jacking up 28 to have a Harden-esque performance (efficiency significantly buoyed by free throws) shows what happens to the offense without Curry.

It's one game but it's the first point of data we have on the team without Curry this season, and it's consistent with the metrics and observations made of the Warriors over the year. We didn't need our MVP candidate to miss a quarter of games played and rejoin after his roster was revamped to show his value, but this is the first real look at the silly claims some have made that GSW is somehow particularly good without him.

How in the world is Klay having 39 points on 28 shots with no assists, no steals, and 3 rebounds a Harden-esque performance? That is complete nonsense.

[DreDay]

Warriors HOFers disappointing today. Should bounce back when that Curry dude returns.


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[TaylorMonkey]

I love how pro-Curry guys are throwing everything into this one very bad game, in which Klay Thompson shot 28 shots. This is just a guess, but if the "stacked" Warriors can't shoot above 40% for the ROS without Curry, they would be the first team in the NBA to fail to accomplish this feat in the past couple of decades. Thus, it makes absolutely no sense to extrapolate one very poor game into this storyline.

Curry is still an MVP favorite, but anyone doubting that the Warriors have one of the best all around rosters in the league is simply delusional.

The Warriors have one of the best constructed rosters around Curry.

But it is not a roster that is good enough apart from Curry to take credit from Curry, which is what the Harden guys have been trying to do-- and it is much less offensively loaded than even the pre-trade two superstar Lebron-less Cavs which the Lebron guys are trying to make seem like scrubs he is carrying.

Thompson jacking up 28 to have a Harden-esque performance (efficiency significantly buoyed by free throws) shows what happens to the offense without Curry.

It's one game but it's the first point of data we have on the team without Curry this season, and it's consistent with the metrics and observations made of the Warriors over the year. We didn't need our MVP candidate to miss a quarter of games played and rejoin after his roster was revamped to show his value, but this is the first real look at the silly claims some have made that GSW is somehow particularly good without him.

How in the world is Klay having 39 points on 28 shots with no assists, no steals, and 3 rebounds a Harden-esque performance? That is complete nonsense.

I meant individual scoring wise. Completely agree that he didn't contribute in ways Harden does aside from the ugly looking offense.

BTW, it wasn't meant to be a compliment for Klay. Heh. I've not liked his shot selection ever since the 37 point game and he only made his offense passable because has getting to the line this game.

[floppymoose]

Klay is not nearly as good as Harden, of course. Curry, on the other hand... is the mvp so far.

[DontH8TheBrody]

Westbrook comin...

[day1086]

Westbrook comin...

Russell Westbrook in January:

14 games: 21.1 points, 37.6% FG 22.2% 3pt 49%TS



Sure his february has been absolutely insane, but is that enough to ignore 14 games he missed and additional large chunks of the season where he played terribly? Nobody in the MVP race has had a period of play nearly as bad as Westbrook's january..

Also worth noting, westbrook's shooting wins and loses you games, and he's wildly inconsistent:

He shoots 48% in wins and 37% in losses

People who say his shooting and decision making don't lose games anymore ...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

So the Warriors losing 1 game without Curry is used to boost his MVP case, but the Cavs going 2-8 without LeBron and looking like trash can't/doesn't bolster LeBron's case? Lmao...I have Curry #1 right now, but you gotta love the inconsistent logic and bias from some people.