Official Trade Thread - Part XXVIII

[WallToWall]

This off-season, should we trade Nene? I think his value may be pretty good and we should certainly get a first round pick out of it. I think we have enough bigs that do what Nene does. so he is replaceable. Or are we better off putting Nene on the bench where they can "dominate" against the opponents bench?

[Dark Faze]

we're letting him expire

[LyricalRico]

This off-season, should we trade Nene? I think his value may be pretty good and we should certainly get a first round pick out of it. I think we have enough bigs that do what Nene does. so he is replaceable. Or are we better off putting Nene on the bench where they can "dominate" against the opponents bench?

I've been pondering the same thing. It guess it would depend on what we can get and whether he would accept a role anchoring the bench.

[payitforward]

TGW, people said the same things about the Miller trade last year - that he was done, that he had another year left on his deal, that Ernie should have done more. But it worked out. Let's give this one the same chance.

Did they? Gee... I don't remember that. I remember most people liking the trade a lot, LR.

You know why? Because Andre Miller was a good NBA player. Admittedly, to get him we had to accept that we'd made a colossal bonehead #6 pick in Vesely, and that we'd made a colossal bonehead FA signing in Maynor. And we had to give up a R2 pick as well. But, at least we got a player who was a known quantity as one of the better PGs in the league. Old, yes, but he was still capable -- as he showed with us last season (and, in truth, often in this one too: tho he'd become quite a defensive liability).

So you're misremembering -- maybe you'd like to point to when "people said the same things about the Miller trade last year"? Nah... I didn't think so.

This trade got us a guy who, unlike Miller, is *not* a good NBA player. By the way, didn't you also like the Maynor signing? Tell me, does Ernie ever make any mistakes in your opinion?

[Jimmy Recard]

This off-season, should we trade Nene? I think his value may be pretty good and we should certainly get a first round pick out of it. I think we have enough bigs that do what Nene does. so he is replaceable. Or are we better off putting Nene on the bench where they can "dominate" against the opponents bench?

I love Nene, but if the right deal comes our way (especially if there's a first involved) then i'm all over it. This team, particularly the front court, needs to get younger and more athletic.

But the more i think about it, the more i think it'll be treated the same way as the Ariza situation was. They'll probably entertain some offers up until the deadline next year, but will ultimately keep him with the belief that we need Nene when we get to the playoffs.

[gambitx777]

TGW, people said the same things about the Miller trade last year - that he was done, that he had another year left on his deal, that Ernie should have done more. But it worked out. Let's give this one the same chance.

Did they? Gee... I don't remember that. I remember most people liking the trade a lot, LR.

You know why? Because Andre Miller was a good NBA player. Admittedly, to get him we had to accept that we'd made a colossal bonehead #6 pick in Vesely, and that we'd made a colossal bonehead FA signing in Maynor. And we had to give up a R2 pick as well. But, at least we got a player who was a known quantity as one of the better PGs in the league. Old, yes, but he was still capable -- as he showed with us last season (and, in truth, often in this one too: tho he'd become quite a defensive liability).

So you're misremembering -- maybe you'd like to point to when "people said the same things about the Miller trade last year"? Nah... I didn't think so.

This trade got us a guy who, unlike Miller, is *not* a good NBA player. By the way, didn't you also like the Maynor signing? Tell me, does Ernie ever make any mistakes in your opinion?

You can diss-like Sessions, you can be mad that they traded miller, thats your opinion. But, don't say he is not a good nba player like its a fact. He is not a bad player. Look at his skill set and his body of work, his stats and what he does on the floor. He is a solid NBA back up point guard.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I thought Ariza was even more responsible for the 2013-2014. Wizards success than Gortat. I wanted Washington to make re-signingTrevor their first priority. I thought Ariza was worth 9-10M per for three years. I posted I would sign Tyler Zeller at the minimum and let Gortat walk if that's what it took to retain Ariza. At only 28 years old and such a good fit with Wall and Beal it boggled my mind how easily the Wizards let Ariza walk. He had the best playoffs of any Wizard. The guy is just a complimentary player, but his help defense was beyond good. I was upset at a lot of folks who posted about signing Gortat being a great move and saying Ariza was nothing special.

CCJ, to be fair, I think the team really wanted to keep Ariza too. They were reportedly willing to pay him the same money that Houston offered. Ariza just didn't want to play here anymore. I don't know why.

I like the idea of signing Zeller. He wasn't a free agent though. He's still on his rookie deal which expires in 2016. He could be a guy to target if we ultimately do trade Gortat.

Cleveland let Tyler Zeller go. Before Boston got him I thought he was going to have a great bounce back season, and that Washington should sign him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Interesting Read on how the trade was actually pulled off

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/2/20 ... de-machine

Nice to know someone know what they are doing regarding the rules.

We shouldn't forget the TPE we got here.

And that extra room might mean a better player then vet min.

I guess when you add it all up, it was a decent little deal they pulled off.

Younger, faster player that drives, shoot more three, get to the line more, has some upside if the fit is right, signed next year so I imagine less cap hold, less money this year, TPE and whatever player we can now add..

Ray Allen ? Who knows.

Exactly.

This is starting to be really hilarious. Ramon Sessions is a bad NBA player, guys. Not a good one, a bad one. Ok a few years ago but not recently. But you are twisting this to make it look like some coup!

It was a pathetic move, but it was all we could do -- because we lack tradable assets. And we lack such assets because we routinely waste draft picks, trade to get older, and sign meh FAs.

Fortunately, as Hands points out, we are now in a position to sign Ray Allen -- another "Younger, faster player that drives, shoot more three, get to the line more, has some upside," right? Well he does shoot 3's.

You think we'll be announcing any time soon that we've signed Ray Allen?

Pif, I have watched the movie The Blind Side at least a dozen times. (Showed it to youth and it keeps being shown on tv). One line Sandra Bullock's character's husband used to describe his wife was she's like an onion. Layers to get to know her emotions.

Sessions is a really interesting player. He did some explosive things as a rookie. He is STILL the only Milwaukee Bucks player to have a 20-20 game. Twenty points, 24 assists.

(Dejuan Blair is the other Wizards player to bust a 20-20, his being rebounds)

Sessions has been playing terribly for extended periods of time. But I understand highs and lows really well myself.

Mindset, emotions, habits, peer influence, values, mental health...those are variable things that impact performance.

Wizards should pay me....

Sessions can score 40 because he's done it before.

When I hear Blair can't play I ask does conditioning matter or performance?

Sessions must be an injured player or something else is going on. He can do some things well.

[Dat2U]

CCJ I think you confuse productivity with impact and many folks do. Lots of guys can be productive like Sessions has been in stretches.... far fewer guys actually have positive impact on the basketball court night in & night out. Sessions has consistently made his team worse when he's been on the court. Sure there was a 40 ast game or 40 pt game in there but LaBradford Smith also scored 37 on MJ in his prime once. It means nothing. Just because a guy can put up nice counting stats doesn't mean he's helping his team out on the floor.

[Dat2U]

This off-season, should we trade Nene? I think his value may be pretty good and we should certainly get a first round pick out of it. I think we have enough bigs that do what Nene does. so he is replaceable. Or are we better off putting Nene on the bench where they can "dominate" against the opponents bench?

We have no one capable of defending PFs like Nene.

[Ruzious]

Thing is - even if you like Sessions - and I don't - he's clearly not as good as Augustin - who OKC got to be their backup PG. It's these kinds of differences that permeate the comparison between Washington and OKC and quite frankly - make Durant's decision obvious at this point.

[dckingsfan]

Thing is - even if you like Sessions - and I don't - he's clearly not as good as Augustin - who OKC got to be their backup PG. It's these kinds of differences that permeate the comparison between Washington and OKC and quite frankly - make Durant's decision obvious at this point.

At this point and what I saw from Wall in the game last night, I just hope he doesn't ask for a trade this off-season.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Thing is - even if you like Sessions - and I don't - he's clearly not as good as Augustin - who OKC got to be their backup PG. It's these kinds of differences that permeate the comparison between Washington and OKC and quite frankly - make Durant's decision obvious at this point.

At this point and what I saw from Wall in the game last night, I just hope he doesn't ask for a trade this off-season.

If he does this would be a great draft to have several picks. Years back before Kyrie Irving was drafted, I said I would trade Wall for the pick to draft Irving plus a future first. If Wall wanted out I would try to get Noel, this year's lottery pick, their top two second round picks and McGee's contract which I would buy out. I rebuild with Mudiay or Russell, plus Noel and Otto. Pierce opts out. Life goes on.

Not what I want, but if Wall wanted out because he's had enough, oh well.

Wall is connected to DC through his late father. Wall is growing as a man, IMO. He needs to perservere. But if he wanted out, by all means accommodate his wishes.


Ted would have to consider replacement for EG and Randy first.

[dckingsfan]

Thing is - even if you like Sessions - and I don't - he's clearly not as good as Augustin - who OKC got to be their backup PG. It's these kinds of differences that permeate the comparison between Washington and OKC and quite frankly - make Durant's decision obvious at this point.

At this point and what I saw from Wall in the game last night, I just hope he doesn't ask for a trade this off-season.

If he does this would be a great draft to have several picks. Years back before Kyrie Irving was drafted, I said I would trade Wall for the pick to draft Irving plus a future first. If Wall wanted out I would try to get Noel, this year's lottery pick, their top two second round picks and McGee's contract which I would buy out. I rebuild with Mudiay or Russell, plus Noel and Otto. Pierce opts out. Life goes on.

Not what I want, but if Wall wanted out because he's had enough, oh well.

Wall is connected to DC through his late father. Wall is growing as a man, IMO. He needs to perservere. But if he wanted out, by all means accommodate his wishes.


Ted would have to consider replacement for EG and Randy first.

Agreed on all points. If Wall were to want out, what to do. Hopefully he will persevere. And yes, Witt and Checkers gone.

[Ruzious]

Thing is - even if you like Sessions - and I don't - he's clearly not as good as Augustin - who OKC got to be their backup PG. It's these kinds of differences that permeate the comparison between Washington and OKC and quite frankly - make Durant's decision obvious at this point.

At this point and what I saw from Wall in the game last night, I just hope he doesn't ask for a trade this off-season.

If he does this would be a great draft to have several picks. Years back before Kyrie Irving was drafted, I said I would trade Wall for the pick to draft Irving plus a future first. If Wall wanted out I would try to get Noel, this year's lottery pick, their top two second round picks and McGee's contract which I would buy out. I rebuild with Mudiay or Russell, plus Noel and Otto. Pierce opts out. Life goes on.

Not what I want, but if Wall wanted out because he's had enough, oh well.

Wall is connected to DC through his late father. Wall is growing as a man, IMO. He needs to perservere. But if he wanted out, by all means accommodate his wishes.


Ted would have to consider replacement for EG and Randy first.

Yeah, getting Philly's 1st pick plus Noel for Wall would be a nice start for a rebuild. We already have Beal and Otto to go with them. See if Satoransky belongs, and see if you can get anything for any of the other veterans. I very much doubt they go the rebuild route, but it might be the smart thing to do.

[Dat2U]

Thing is - even if you like Sessions - and I don't - he's clearly not as good as Augustin - who OKC got to be their backup PG. It's these kinds of differences that permeate the comparison between Washington and OKC and quite frankly - make Durant's decision obvious at this point.

At this point and what I saw from Wall in the game last night, I just hope he doesn't ask for a trade this off-season.

If he does this would be a great draft to have several picks. Years back before Kyrie Irving was drafted, I said I would trade Wall for the pick to draft Irving plus a future first. If Wall wanted out I would try to get Noel, this year's lottery pick, their top two second round picks and McGee's contract which I would buy out. I rebuild with Mudiay or Russell, plus Noel and Otto. Pierce opts out. Life goes on.

Not what I want, but if Wall wanted out because he's had enough, oh well.

Wall is connected to DC through his late father. Wall is growing as a man, IMO. He needs to perservere. But if he wanted out, by all means accommodate his wishes.


Ted would have to consider replacement for EG and Randy first.

I think in your opinion any draft is great draft to trade Wall for some picks...

Still waiting on MCW to show how he was better than Wall. Same with Kendall Marshall or any other mediocre guard you've fawned over the past few years.

[dckingsfan]

Clearly you don't want to lose Wall... you want him to persevere.

But if you do lose him - you want multiple first round picks and a young player - and you want a different GM drafting those picks. I think that was the gist of the argument.

[nate33]

Wall isn't going anywhere. He is signed for 5 years. He is the only reason good players would want to come here.

All we need to do is dump our management. A good GM could leverage Ted's money, the DC media market, and players' desire to play alongside Wall to build a consistently good team. The key is to trade mediocre players like Webster and Butler when their careers get rejuvenated by Wall. Sell high, buy low.

[Dark Faze]

Walls fine. Two all star games in a row and two playoff berths in a row. His popularity is there and endorsements are rising. He may want out one day but we're a couple years of abysmal play away from even entertaining the thought.

[Ruzious]

Wall isn't going anywhere. He is signed for 5 years. He is the only reason good players would want to come here.

All we need to do is dump our management. A good GM could leverage Ted's money, the DC media market, and players' desire to play alongside Wall to build a consistently good team. The key is to trade mediocre players like Webster and Butler when their careers get rejuvenated by Wall. Sell high, buy low.

I'm not sure that's a key - considering they played with Wall and have no trade value. They have to do a bunch of things, but none of that will matter much unless they get a stud or 2 to go with Wall - if the goal is to be a championship contender.