2014-2015 NBA MVP Discussion

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Thunder are like 9-6 with Westbrook and no Durant....Sorry he has no real case atm.

[day1086]

So the Warriors losing 1 game without Curry is used to boost his MVP case, but the Cavs going 2-8 without LeBron and looking like trash can't/doesn't bolster LeBron's case? Lmao...I have Curry #1 right now, but you gotta love the inconsistent logic and bias from some people.

No curry doesn't need this narrative in order to win mvp. What happened is that curry supporters are laughing at the backwards logic that harden/Lebron fans have used in an attempt to discredit curry when the actual evidence is contrary to their baseless narrative.

Has a dual significance: Showing Lebron supporters how dumb the "wow they lost games without him" narrative is. And showing the harden supporters his dumb the "curry's being carried by an all time great supporting cast" narrative is.

The only argument against curry has been people playing up his supporting cast and playing down the supporting casts of their favorite candidate. Which is just funny since curry has an equal or larger impact on his team than any of those other players. While also leading his team to far superior success than any of them.

[The_Brecht]

It's going to be a race between Curry, Harden and Lebron.

Nothing's certain as for now. Let's just see how the rest of the regular season goes.

[oeskaer]

Westbrook is the MVP this season but Curry should get the MVP award for sure if the W's won't collapse.

[INKtastic]

It's going to be a race between Curry, Harden and Lebron.

Nothing's certain as for now. Let's just see how the rest of the regular season goes.

That's the key statement. Most of the people (if not all of them) who make the case for LeBron would say Curry is MVP if the season ended today. Most of people making the case for Curry act like the season is already over when their team has 29 games left to play.

The cavs have pulled to within 3 games of 2nd place in the east (and 4th in the league) while the Warriors are just 3 1/2 games up on 2nd in the west. With LeBron leading the way, the cavs are playing every bit as dominate now as Golden State did to start the season and have now climbed to 3rd in the computer power rankings.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

[Dupp]

It's going to be a race between Curry, Harden and Lebron.

Nothing's certain as for now. Let's just see how the rest of the regular season goes.

That's the key statement. Most of the people (if not all of them) who make the case for LeBron would say Curry is MVP if the season ended today. Most of people making the case for Curry act like the season is already over when their team has 29 games left to play.

The cavs have pulled to within 3 games of 2nd place in the east (and 4th in the league) while the Warriors are just 3 1/2 games up on 2nd in the west. With LeBron leading the way, the cavs are playing every bit as dominate now as Golden State did to start the season and have now climbed to 3rd in the computer power rankings.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings

Not sure how the rating is worked out but the fact that the clippers are second and hawks are 6th is extremely stupid.

[dfins891]

Thunder are like 9-6 with Westbrook and no Durant....Sorry he has no real case atm.

They are 9-5 unless you count the Clippers game where Westbrook got hurt and played like 5 minutes. And another one of those losses was the season opener at Portland where the Thunder had 8 healthy player and Lance Thomas, Telfair and Perry Jones played significant minutes.

[day1086]

Thunder are like 9-6 with Westbrook and no Durant....Sorry he has no real case atm.

They are 9-5 unless you count the Clippers game where Westbrook got hurt and played like 5 minutes. And another one of those losses was the season opener at Portland where the Thunder had 8 healthy player and Lance Thomas, Telfair and Perry Jones played significant minutes.

Back to 9-6 if we count the golden state game where durant had 30 at half and sat the second. But it's semantics anyways, Westbrook missed 14 games and played horribly for another long stretch of 14 games. He's irrelevant over the course of the season as a whole but he's playing amazing over the last 7 games or so.

[dfins891]

Thunder are like 9-6 with Westbrook and no Durant....Sorry he has no real case atm.

They are 9-5 unless you count the Clippers game where Westbrook got hurt and played like 5 minutes. And another one of those losses was the season opener at Portland where the Thunder had 8 healthy player and Lance Thomas, Telfair and Perry Jones played significant minutes.

Back to 9-6 if we count the golden state game where durant had 30 at half and sat the second. But it's semantics anyways, Westbrook missed 14 games and played horribly for another long stretch of 14 games. He's irrelevant over the course of the season as a whole but he's playing amazing over the last 7 games or so.

Why would you count a game Durant played in as a game Durant didn't play in? Thats not semantics, they just aren't the same thing.

[gmoney411]

So the Warriors losing 1 game without Curry is used to boost his MVP case, but the Cavs going 2-8 without LeBron and looking like trash can't/doesn't bolster LeBron's case? Lmao...I have Curry #1 right now, but you gotta love the inconsistent logic and bias from some people.

No curry doesn't need this narrative in order to win mvp. What happened is that curry supporters are laughing at the backwards logic that harden/Lebron fans have used in an attempt to discredit curry when the actual evidence is contrary to their baseless narrative.

Has a dual significance: Showing Lebron supporters how dumb the "wow they lost games without him" narrative is. And showing the harden supporters his dumb the "curry's being carried by an all time great supporting cast" narrative is.

The only argument against curry has been people playing up his supporting cast and playing down the supporting casts of their favorite candidate. Which is just funny since curry has an equal or larger impact on his team than any of those other players. While also leading his team to far superior success than any of them.

It's not baseless to say that Curry has a better supporting cast than Harden. The Warriors might not be the old Bulls without Jordan but they are still better than the group of role players that the Rockets have minus Harden. I definitely think the supporting casts should be factored in when decided between Harden and Curry. I don't think it should be the end all but it is a key factor IMO. I also think having the best record should be a key factor.

[day1086]

They are 9-5 unless you count the Clippers game where Westbrook got hurt and played like 5 minutes. And another one of those losses was the season opener at Portland where the Thunder had 8 healthy player and Lance Thomas, Telfair and Perry Jones played significant minutes.

Back to 9-6 if we count the golden state game where durant had 30 at half and sat the second. But it's semantics anyways, Westbrook missed 14 games and played horribly for another long stretch of 14 games. He's irrelevant over the course of the season as a whole but he's playing amazing over the last 7 games or so.

Why would you count a game Durant played in as a game Durant didn't play in? Thats not semantics, they just aren't the same thing.

He lost his team games by being injured and he lost them games by playing horrible for another long stretch of games. His value on the season just doesn't come close to comparing to harden or curry. Hardly worth considering. Very impressive stretch he's on right now, but that ship has sailed

[airyak13]

The Warriors have one of the best constructed rosters around Curry.

But it is not a roster that is good enough apart from Curry to take credit from Curry, which is what the Harden guys have been trying to do-- and it is much less offensively loaded than even the pre-trade two superstar Lebron-less Cavs which the Lebron guys are trying to make seem like scrubs he is carrying.

Thompson jacking up 28 to have a Harden-esque performance (efficiency significantly buoyed by free throws) shows what happens to the offense without Curry.

It's one game but it's the first point of data we have on the team without Curry this season, and it's consistent with the metrics and observations made of the Warriors over the year. We didn't need our MVP candidate to miss a quarter of games played and rejoin after his roster was revamped to show his value, but this is the first real look at the silly claims some have made that GSW is somehow particularly good without him.

How in the world is Klay having 39 points on 28 shots with no assists, no steals, and 3 rebounds a Harden-esque performance? That is complete nonsense.

I meant individual scoring wise. Completely agree that he didn't contribute in ways Harden does aside from the ugly looking offense.

BTW, it wasn't meant to be a compliment for Klay. Heh. I've not liked his shot selection ever since the 37 point game and he only made his offense passable because has getting to the line this game.

Of course it wasn't. The sole purpose of the comment was to slander Harden's game.

[olive_triangurl]

JR Smith is the biggest reason for Cleveland's turnaround.
He's not as good as Irving/LeBron, but:
Irving+LeBron+Smith is a lot better than Irving+LeBron.
Smith is a big time difference-maker at both ends.
Also, Love's fg% has increased as he's successfully adapting to catch-and-shoot.

[JF5]

Top 10
1. Stephen Curry
2. James Harden
3a. Marc Gasol
3b. LeBron James
5a. Kyle Lowry
5b. Chris Paul
6. LaMarcus Aldridge
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Anthony Davis
9. John Wall
10. Pau Gasol

[Craafty16]

@ConradKazNBA
So…the best 3-man lineups in the NBA since LeBron’s return:


@ConradKazNBA
Okay last one….the 3 elite starting lineups in the NBA (since LeBron came back):

[bondom34]

Westbrook.....

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2015/2 ... 5#comments

[oeskaer]

He's irrelevant over the course of the season as a whole but he's playing amazing over the last 7 games or so.

Irrelevant? Do you know why do we use per game stats in sports like basketball?

[koolcrud]

Westbrook sure looks like the MVP to me. OKC would be nowhere without him, and the eye test says he's the most dominant player in the game right now.

[olive_triangurl]

The MVP is up for debate.
But the best player in the NBA is not up for debate - it is clearly James Harden.
Harden has been the most dominant player this season, and today a triple-double and 4 blocks (with 6 minutes remaining in the game).

[floppymoose]

When the top RPM player is also on the team with the best record, then there isn't much doubt about actual mvp. Harden, Davis, and Westbrook are certainly deserving of being in the discussion, but until either their team is better than GS, or their impact over the season is more than Curry's, they will be fighting for 2nd.