Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

SSOL · Post #161 » by **SSOL** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:42 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:As clarification for everyone, Robinson was bought out, here's why:

Robinson was on his rookie scale, but his team option for next year was not picked up resulting in the $3,678,360 owed to Robinson for this year being the final year of his contract. There is no reason to drop him to waivers in the hopes that another team picks up his contract, because there isn't a contract past this year.

Now, from the Suns perspective, it is a fine line. Sure, you could probably sign him for pretty cheap to a deal for the rest of this season - but if he blows up you are in a difficult spot this off-season. Conversely, if you sign him now when his value is low to a multi-year deal, you have the opportunity to grab a young (potentially under-valued) asset that could be a perfect bench peice for the next couple of years.

He was bought out AND waived. I can attest, on the highest authority, that he was placed on waivers yesterday.

NTB · Post #162 » by **NTB** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:47 pm

Guys idk any of waiver or buyout situations. Do we have a chance to get him or not? If we have, then when ?

SSOL · Post #163 » by **SSOL** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:57 pm

He is not authorized to sign with a team until after 3 pm tomorrow.

NavLDO · Post #164 » by **NavLDO** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:39 pm

SSOL wrote:He is not authorized to sign with a team until after 3 pm tomorrow.

Does waiver claim rights have anything to do with previous year's draft order, or is it strictly highest bidder wins?

ShawnBronald · Post #165 » by **ShawnBronald** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:46 pm

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carey · Post #166 » by **carey** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:46 pm

sunsfever68 wrote:I really feel we need to get Bullock some minutes or he needs to be hitting the D league like Archie did look what happened to his game post D league

Bullock has been sent to the D League. He absolutely killed it down there. You should check out his stats.

kennydorglas · Post #167 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:47 pm

yey
get ready to draft a stud 4 then

Ryu · Post #168 » by **Ryu** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:49 pm

sunsfever68 wrote:I really feel we need to get Bullock some minutes or he needs to be hitting the D league like Archie did look what happened to his game post D league

24/10 with 51% FG (46% for 3) in four games this season for Bakersfield Jam.

Sun Scorched · Post #169 » by **Sun Scorched** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:57 pm

SSOL wrote:
Sun Scorched wrote:As clarification for everyone, Robinson was bought out, here's why:

Robinson was on his rookie scale, but his team option for next year was not picked up resulting in the $3,678,360 owed to Robinson for this year being the final year of his contract. There is no reason to drop him to waivers in the hopes that another team picks up his contract, because there isn't a contract past this year.

Now, from the Suns perspective, it is a fine line. Sure, you could probably sign him for pretty cheap to a deal for the rest of this season - but if he blows up you are in a difficult spot this off-season. Conversely, if you sign him now when his value is low to a multi-year deal, you have the opportunity to grab a young (potentially under-valued) asset that could be a perfect bench peice for the next couple of years.

He was bought out AND waived. I can attest, on the highest authority, that he was placed on waivers yesterday.

Not disagreeing with you, but it seems like there are two scenarios possible in this situation. He can be on waivers, but waivers dictate a potential bidding process. It doesn't sound like Robinson is going through that process. Said differently, if he was going through the full waiver process, I'm not sure the Nets could put in a bid since they are substantially over the cap.

Also, I'm not sure he can have an agreement in-place to sign with a team before he fully clears waivers, under that scenario.

spanishninja · Post #170 » by **spanishninja** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:01 pm

looks like Robinson is going to the Nets. Why?

Bogyo · Post #171 » by **Bogyo** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:20 pm

Money? Length of contract? Playing time? I guess we might find out sooner or later. But I think he has better chance there to see meaningful minutes than here. Their PF/C rotation is pretty awful after BLopez (who is injured half the time), Plumlee, and Teletovic, who are not exactley world beaters either...

In Len We Trust · Post #172 » by **In Len We Trust** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:46 pm

T Rob would have been very helpful because of rebounding but I think it is pretty obvious that the reason he's going to Brooklyn instead of Phoenix is because the front office didn't want to add a 3rd Morris twin. There's no way Robinson would turn down an offer to play with the twins if he had one. The 3 of them are super close. Plus its not like Brooklyn is a contender or anything. McDonough & Co clearly didn't even offer him anything, which means that there is a good chance the twins start throwing tantrums.

In Len We Trust · Post #173 » by **In Len We Trust** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:47 pm

Bogyo wrote:Money? Length of contract? Playing time? I guess we might find out sooner or later. But I think he has better chance there to see meaningful minutes than here. Their PF/C rotation is pretty awful after BLopez (who is injured half the time), Plumlee, and Teletovic, who are not exactley world beaters either...

I would bet a lot of money that we didn't even offer him. His rebounding would help but the FO probably feels that adding another Morris twin would equal bad news.

letsgosuns · Post #174 » by **letsgosuns** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:04 pm

The Suns do not need Thomas Robinson. If the team signed him, it would be another sign that they are committed to the Morris brothers, which is something I would not be too excited about. I think the Suns biggest need now is a starting caliber power forward that can rebound and play defense. With the recent moves creating at least around 20 million dollars in cap space available, the Suns can be players in free agency. Idk if they are going to be able to attract any of of the top guys available like Lamarcus Aldridge, DeAndre Jordan, or Greg Monroe, but they can try. I would take any one of those guys to pair with Len. I can even envision a sign and trade of one of them to the Suns for the Morris brothers so the other team does not lose them for nothing and the Suns then still have a lot of room to sign other players.

If the Suns can say swap the Morris brothers for a top unrestricted free agent big man, that takes the Morris brothers 13 million dollars off the cap and replaces it with a 15-18 million dollar number. That could leave the Suns with at least another 15 million in cap space to use as long as they wait to sign Brandon Knight's contract. The Suns could then have a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Top FA, and Len. Off the bench they could have Goodwin, Warren, a re-signed Wright, and use the remaining cap space to fill out the bench or another big time free agent. Sounds like a great young team.

I do think the Suns might stay away from Aldridge though because he turns 30 this offseason and does not fit the team's vision of a young building block. Greg Monroe is turning 25 this offseason while DeAndre Jordan turns 27. Both of those guys make a lot more sense with the rest of the team's age bracket, Monroe especially. Either of those two would be major upgrades inside. Look at Monroe's game log and check out February. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... reg-monroe He averaged 17 pts and 13 rbs in 32 mpg for the month. 14 double-doubles in 17 games and he narrowly missed a double-double in the other three games. He is going to get a max from someone. He is unrestricted and only 24 years old. He is 6'11", 250 lbs., averages 15 pts, 10 rbs, and 2 asst on 49% fg and 74% ft. He sounds exactly like what the Suns are missing. And if the Suns can sign him outright, they can move the Morris brothers back to the bench to have Markieff be a supersub sixth man.

ShawnBronald · Post #175 » by **ShawnBronald** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:21 pm

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i_am_donald · Post #176 » by **i_am_donald** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:29 pm

I'm glad Robinson isn't coming to Suns. Two Morris twins is already waaay too much. Maybe it was nice little story at the beginning, twins reuniting bla bla bla, but they behavior is really bugging me. They're acting 10 times as bad since they're back together, and I can only imagine that addition of their bff would make it even worse. It's time for one of them to go (Marcus obv.), not adding another one.

Not like Thomas Robinson is THE piece that Suns are missing for the playoffs run.

I really don't understand tho why Robinson didn't go to Heat. He would get solid amount of playing time, and they are probably going to the playoffs.

thamadkant · Post #177 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:39 pm

Suns off season potential moves...

- Sign Tobias Harris to a 12 million a year contract.

- Put a package of Knight, Morris twins, Tucker, Heat 2017 pick, Heat 2021 pick.
For Cousins .

In Len We Trust · Post #178 » by **In Len We Trust** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:45 pm

1UPZ wrote:Suns off season potential moves...

- Sign Tobias Harris to a 12 million a year contract.

- Put a package of Knight, Morris twins, Tucker, Heat 2017 pick, Heat 2021 pick.
For Cousins .

As much as I would love this to happen, it can't

There is a 0.00000% chance of Orlando not matching a 12 million a year offer. Why wouldn't they?

As for Cousins, they just aren't letting him go. Knight, Morris twins and good but not great draft picks aren't going to be even close to enough. If you want Sacramento to even listen you gotta at least include Len and another 1st as well.

kennydorglas · Post #179 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:52 pm

letsgosuns wrote:The Suns do not need Thomas Robinson. If the team signed him, it would be another sign that they are committed to the Morris brothers, which is something I would not be too excited about. I think the Suns biggest need now is a starting caliber power forward that can rebound and play defense. With the recent moves creating at least around 20 million dollars in cap space available, the Suns can be players in free agency. Idk if they are going to be able to attract any of of the top guys available like Lamarcus Aldridge, DeAndre Jordan, or Greg Monroe, but they can try. I would take any one of those guys to pair with Len. I can even envision a sign and trade of one of them to the Suns for the Morris brothers so the other team does not lose them for nothing and the Suns then still have a lot of room to sign other players.

If the Suns can say swap the Morris brothers for a top unrestricted free agent big man, that takes the Morris brothers 13 million dollars off the cap and replaces it with a 15-18 million dollar number. That could leave the Suns with at least another 15 million in cap space to use as long as they wait to sign Brandon Knight's contract. The Suns could then have a starting lineup of Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Top FA, and Len. Off the bench they could have Goodwin, Warren, a re-signed Wright, and use the remaining cap space to fill out the bench or another big time free agent. Sounds like a great young team.

I do think the Suns might stay away from Aldridge though because he turns 30 this offseason and does not fit the team's vision of a young building block. Greg Monroe is turning 25 this offseason while DeAndre Jordan turns 27. Both of those guys make a lot more sense with the rest of the team's age bracket, Monroe especially. Either of those two would be major upgrades inside. Look at Monroe's game log and check out February. http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... reg-monroe He averaged 17 pts and 13 rbs in 32 mpg for the month. 14 double-doubles in 17 games and he narrowly missed a double-double in the other three games. He is going to get a max from someone. He is unrestricted and only 24 years old. He is 6'11", 250 lbs., averages 15 pts, 10 rbs, and 2 asst on 49% fg and 74% ft. He sounds exactly like what the Suns are missing. And if the Suns can sign him outright, they can move the Morris brothers back to the bench to have Markieff be a supersub sixth man.

This is a really good plan... But if Love opt out, he'll be our main target.

dgwdum · Post #180 » by **dgwdum** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:55 pm

In Len We Trust wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Suns off season potential moves...

- Sign Tobias Harris to a 12 million a year contract.

- Put a package of Knight, Morris twins, Tucker, Heat 2017 pick, Heat 2021 pick.
For Cousins .

As much as I would love this to happen, it can't

There is a 0.00000% chance of Orlando not matching a 12 million a year offer. Why wouldn't they?

As for Cousins, they just aren't letting him go. Knight, Morris twins and good but not great draft picks aren't going to be even close to enough. If you want Sacramento to even listen you gotta at least include Len and another 1st as well.

I agree, Orlando would probably match anything other than max and Tobias would probably be looking at better offers than that.

I also don't see the value in Brandon knight, if any team wants him they can simply dare the McD to match a max offer sheet which I'm hoping he won't. And those heat picks are so far away that they wouldn't help Sacramento in the least. I'm calling it now, if the Lakers win the lottery they will probably flip that pick for cousins.