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Post#181 » by In Len We Trust » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:10 pm

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1UPZ wrote:Suns off season potential moves...

- Sign Tobias Harris to a 12 million a year contract.

- Put a package of Knight, Morris twins, Tucker, Heat 2017 pick, Heat 2021 pick.
For Cousins .


As much as I would love this to happen, it can't

There is a 0.00000% chance of Orlando not matching a 12 million a year offer. Why wouldn't they?

As for Cousins, they just aren't letting him go. Knight, Morris twins and good but not great draft picks aren't going to be even close to enough. If you want Sacramento to even listen you gotta at least include Len and another 1st as well.

I agree, Orlando would probably match anything other than max and Tobias would probably be looking at better offers than that.

I also don't see the value in Brandon knight, if any team wants him they can simply dare the McD to match a max offer sheet which I'm hoping he won't. And those heat picks are so far away that they wouldn't help Sacramento in the least. I'm calling it now, if the Lakers win the lottery they will probably flip that pick for cousins.


There is no chance of Knight being offered anywhere near the max. Nobody would do it because they know the Suns wouldn't match.

And no way the Kings give up Cousins for an unproven draft pick. Are you crazy? That would set the Kings franchise back many years.
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Post#182 » by Revived » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:14 pm

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dgwdum wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:
As much as I would love this to happen, it can't

There is a 0.00000% chance of Orlando not matching a 12 million a year offer. Why wouldn't they?

As for Cousins, they just aren't letting him go. Knight, Morris twins and good but not great draft picks aren't going to be even close to enough. If you want Sacramento to even listen you gotta at least include Len and another 1st as well.

I agree, Orlando would probably match anything other than max and Tobias would probably be looking at better offers than that.

I also don't see the value in Brandon knight, if any team wants him they can simply dare the McD to match a max offer sheet which I'm hoping he won't. And those heat picks are so far away that they wouldn't help Sacramento in the least. I'm calling it now, if the Lakers win the lottery they will probably flip that pick for cousins.


There is no chance of Knight being offered anywhere near the max. Nobody would do it because they know the Suns wouldn't match.

And no way the Kings give up Cousins for an unproven draft pick. Are you crazy? That would set the Kings franchise back many years.

I think there's a higher chance of Knight getting the rookie max (which is $16M/yr for him) than Dragic being offered the $20M/yr max that many people expect him to get.
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Post#183 » by In Len We Trust » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:17 pm

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dgwdum wrote:I agree, Orlando would probably match anything other than max and Tobias would probably be looking at better offers than that.

I also don't see the value in Brandon knight, if any team wants him they can simply dare the McD to match a max offer sheet which I'm hoping he won't. And those heat picks are so far away that they wouldn't help Sacramento in the least. I'm calling it now, if the Lakers win the lottery they will probably flip that pick for cousins.


There is no chance of Knight being offered anywhere near the max. Nobody would do it because they know the Suns wouldn't match.

And no way the Kings give up Cousins for an unproven draft pick. Are you crazy? That would set the Kings franchise back many years.

I think there's a higher chance of Knight getting the rookie max (which is $16M/yr for him) than Dragic being offered the $20M/yr max that many people expect him to get.


I disagree. The Lakers are desperate to make a big splash and Dragic will be interested. Pat Riley is going to try to do everything he can to make sure he didn't give up 2 picks for a half season rental. That means that Goran has a lot of leverage and there's string potential for a bidding war.
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Post#184 » by toucansma » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:31 pm

1UPZ wrote:Suns off season potential moves...

- Sign Tobias Harris to a 12 million a year contract.

- Put a package of Knight, Morris twins, Tucker, Heat 2017 pick, Heat 2021 pick.
For Cousins .



I like it, but no way do Kings let Cousins go for that little.
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Post#185 » by Bogyo » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:45 pm

First I'd like to see how Knight really fits in (defending 2 guards, effective without the ball, not a ballhog, not b1tching about playing time, and being a positive lockeroom influence are the main concerns). If he does, then I'd say we re-sign him to a reasonable deal, something like Bled's. If not, then he could be moved in a sign and trade (don't really know yet for who).
Find out if we can do a sign and trade bulit around the MoBros for Love or Monroe. Len and Bled are the only untouchables for me from now on, and while these guys only solve half of the problem in our PF department, I think that the D of Tucker, Len and Wright could make up for their defensive shortcomings.
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Post#186 » by RunDogGun » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:15 pm

TRob to the Nets? But why?
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Post#187 » by jcsunsfan » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:18 pm

RunDogGun wrote:TRob to the Nets? But why?


Gets to replace Garnett.
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Post#188 » by bigfoot » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:18 pm

RunDogGun wrote:TRob to the Nets? But why?


Only a 10-day for now.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#189 » by RunDogGun » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:20 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:TRob to the Nets? But why?


Gets to replace Garnett.

Didn't they get Young to do that?
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Post#190 » by Barkley6 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:23 am

My offseason plan:
1. Renounce Thornton, and Brandan Wright. No need to keep their bird rights, so this is a no brainer.

2. Draft Isaiah Taylor PG Texas. Probably the faster player in the draft, can be a one man fast break. Decent distributor and actually played in a 3 guard system last season and still managed 4apg. Quickness and speed help him on defense and he should be a solid drive and kick and pick and roll type player. Biggest weakness is his jumper, hopefully Hornacek can help turn him into a better shooter.

3. Draft Brandon Ashley PF Arizona. A little undersized at 6'8'', but has a good wingspan (7'1''), has the potential to become a solid stretch 4 in the league. Good value as a second round pick.

3. Sign Tristan Thompson to approx 4 year, $48m deal. I know he turned down 4/$53m in the offseason, but I think he'll regret that. His numbers have gone down and he's been forced into a bench role and has now seen Cleveland bring in Mozgov AND Kendrick Perkins as bigs in addition to Kevin Love. The Markieff Morris deal is likely going to set the market for tier 2 big men, just like the Kyle Lowry deal was the benchmark for tier 2 PGs last offseason, so at 4/48 he's getting good money. What does he bring basketball wise? Good rebounding and an ability to finish at the rim. He's a force on the offensive glass averaging 3.5ORPG for his career. Young (23), athletic, strong rebounder and ability to score in the paint is what this team is craving.

4. Sign Henry Sims to approx 3 year, $15m deal. Another big man who rebounds at a good clip, is still young (24) and helps bring some size. Not going to play major minutes, but a solid rotation player. He's restricted, but with Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel and JaVale McGee on the 76ers roster, there's almost no chance they match.

5. Re-sign Gerald Green. Don't overpay, I'd say I'd max out at maybe 2/$14m, but I think he offers some scoring punch off the bench, and while he makes some boneheaded plays, it's hard to doubt that his shooting and finishing at the rim have been a major boon to our team most nights. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave the Suns a bit of a discount as a result of reviving his career in Phoenix and the coaches putting him in a situation to thrive.

6. Re-sign Brandon Knight to a deal at about 4/$53m.

This would be my roster:
Bledsoe/Taylor
Knight/Green/Goodwin/Bullock
Tucker/Morris/Warren
Morris/Thompson/Ashley
Len/Sims

I know a lot of people are going to come at me with pitchforks because there isn't enough playing time to Archie and Warren. I disagree. Archie SHOULD be able to become our 3rd guard next season, I wouldn't expect Taylor to play too much as a rookie considering who is ahead of him in the guard rotation. If Archie Goodwin, in his 3rd season can't beat out Gerald Green then none of us have any business complaining.

As for TJ, while I like his skillset and what he brings, the team has committed a lot of money to the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart. I hope he develops and is able to beat them out for more playing time, but it doesn't look like the Suns are going to move Marcus or PJ any time soon.


So, there you have it. That's my plan. A strong young team that will likely post a winning record, if not challenge for a playoff spot and TONS of room for growth together.
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Post#191 » by In Len We Trust » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:29 am

Barkley6 wrote:My offseason plan:
1. Renounce Thornton, and Brandan Wright. No need to keep their bird rights, so this is a no brainer.

2. Draft Isaiah Taylor PG Texas. Probably the faster player in the draft, can be a one man fast break. Decent distributor and actually played in a 3 guard system last season and still managed 4apg. Quickness and speed help him on defense and he should be a solid drive and kick and pick and roll type player. Biggest weakness is his jumper, hopefully Hornacek can help turn him into a better shooter.

3. Draft Brandon Ashley PF Arizona. A little undersized at 6'8'', but has a good wingspan (7'1''), has the potential to become a solid stretch 4 in the league. Good value as a second round pick.

3. Sign Tristan Thompson to approx 4 year, $48m deal. I know he turned down 4/$53m in the offseason, but I think he'll regret that. His numbers have gone down and he's been forced into a bench role and has now seen Cleveland bring in Mozgov AND Kendrick Perkins as bigs in addition to Kevin Love. The Markieff Morris deal is likely going to set the market for tier 2 big men, just like the Kyle Lowry deal was the benchmark for tier 2 PGs last offseason, so at 4/48 he's getting good money. What does he bring basketball wise? Good rebounding and an ability to finish at the rim. He's a force on the offensive glass averaging 3.5ORPG for his career. Young (23), athletic, strong rebounder and ability to score in the paint is what this team is craving.

4. Sign Henry Sims to approx 3 year, $15m deal. Another big man who rebounds at a good clip, is still young (24) and helps bring some size. Not going to play major minutes, but a solid rotation player. He's restricted, but with Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel and JaVale McGee on the 76ers roster, there's almost no chance they match.

5. Re-sign Gerald Green. Don't overpay, I'd say I'd max out at maybe 2/$14m,
but I think he offers some scoring punch off the bench, and while he makes some boneheaded plays, it's hard to doubt that his shooting and finishing at the rim have been a major boon to our team most nights. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave the Suns a bit of a discount as a result of reviving his career in Phoenix and the coaches putting him in a situation to thrive.

6. Re-sign Brandon Knight to a deal at about 4/$53m.

This would be my roster:
Bledsoe/Taylor
Knight/Green/Goodwin/Bullock
Tucker/Morris/Warren
Morris/Thompson/Ashley
Len/Sims

I know a lot of people are going to come at me with pitchforks because there isn't enough playing time to Archie and Warren. I disagree. Archie SHOULD be able to become our 3rd guard next season, I wouldn't expect Taylor to play too much as a rookie considering who is ahead of him in the guard rotation. If Archie Goodwin, in his 3rd season can't beat out Gerald Green then none of us have any business complaining.

As for TJ, while I like his skillset and what he brings, the team has committed a lot of money to the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart. I hope he develops and is able to beat them out for more playing time, but it doesn't look like the Suns are going to move Marcus or PJ any time soon.


So, there you have it. That's my plan. A strong young team that will likely post a winning record, if not challenge for a playoff spot and TONS of room for growth together.


Why on Gods green earth would you pay Gerald Green 2/14 and have him be a bench warmer behind Archie Goodwin? That would be a disaster. Just let Green go. We have no use for him because he is an atrocious defender and I swear he is getting even worse. Archie Goodwin is a better player than Green right NOW. He will be miles ahead of him next year.

Also Wright > Sims
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Post#192 » by WTFsunsFTW » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:33 am

That also doesnt get us any better. Mediocre GM move.
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Post#193 » by Revived » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:33 am

There is no way in hell I would pay Tristian Thompson, yet another tweener PF, that much money. Kieff is already better than him.

And yea makes no sense to resign Green. I would actually prefer resigning Thornton (better shooter) over Green.
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Post#194 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:41 am

SF88 wrote:There is no way in hell I would pay Tristian Thompson, yet another tweener PF, that much money. Kieff is already better than him.

And yea makes no sense to resign Green. I would actually prefer resigning Thornton (better shooter) over Green.


First time we may ever agree on something. Green just makes no sense here. Our younger guys need those minutes at the 2, and he's just not good enough to be someone you play ahead. I could be okay with it if he signed for a massive discount, but someone will give him the MLE, which is way too much for him.
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Post#195 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:42 am

Yes, Archie Goodwin will be an important role player next year. No need for Green anymore, Goodwin and Warren are going to play a lot more next year.
I really like Brandan Wright like our backup center for years to come. He doesn't commit mistakes and he is very good defending the pick and roll...great personality too, I would sign him for $22M/ 4 years or something like that.
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Post#196 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:48 am

We need to sign a big time player with our cap space (around 15M), and then resign only Knight and Brandan Wright. Adding one rookie too to this team and we can be a serious playoff team next year.
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Post#197 » by sunsfever68 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:52 am

Say no to Gerald Green, he does provide scoring off the bench but scoring is hot in the NBA right now everyone can score the defense is getting worse, so that's not a rare commodity.

We need to get Archie more playing time so he can develop and he'll be good production for cheap

If Knight pans out, resign him for 11M a year if you can or 12M if you have to.

Brandon Wright is an interesting one. On one hand I do like his game but on the other is he worth 6-8M per year for a bench player that only plays offense and blocks shots occasionally? I think I'd rather give that money if we can to a max type big man a star 4. I would love to have Wright back though.

If we can shed Tucker's salary that would also be great.
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Post#198 » by thamadkant » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:10 am

Barkley6 wrote:My offseason plan:
1. Renounce Thornton, and Brandan Wright. No need to keep their bird rights, so this is a no brainer.

2. Draft Isaiah Taylor PG Texas. Probably the faster player in the draft, can be a one man fast break. Decent distributor and actually played in a 3 guard system last season and still managed 4apg. Quickness and speed help him on defense and he should be a solid drive and kick and pick and roll type player. Biggest weakness is his jumper, hopefully Hornacek can help turn him into a better shooter.

3. Draft Brandon Ashley PF Arizona. A little undersized at 6'8'', but has a good wingspan (7'1''), has the potential to become a solid stretch 4 in the league. Good value as a second round pick.

3. Sign Tristan Thompson to approx 4 year, $48m deal. I know he turned down 4/$53m in the offseason, but I think he'll regret that. His numbers have gone down and he's been forced into a bench role and has now seen Cleveland bring in Mozgov AND Kendrick Perkins as bigs in addition to Kevin Love. The Markieff Morris deal is likely going to set the market for tier 2 big men, just like the Kyle Lowry deal was the benchmark for tier 2 PGs last offseason, so at 4/48 he's getting good money. What does he bring basketball wise? Good rebounding and an ability to finish at the rim. He's a force on the offensive glass averaging 3.5ORPG for his career. Young (23), athletic, strong rebounder and ability to score in the paint is what this team is craving.

4. Sign Henry Sims to approx 3 year, $15m deal. Another big man who rebounds at a good clip, is still young (24) and helps bring some size. Not going to play major minutes, but a solid rotation player. He's restricted, but with Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel and JaVale McGee on the 76ers roster, there's almost no chance they match.

5. Re-sign Gerald Green. Don't overpay, I'd say I'd max out at maybe 2/$14m, but I think he offers some scoring punch off the bench, and while he makes some boneheaded plays, it's hard to doubt that his shooting and finishing at the rim have been a major boon to our team most nights. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave the Suns a bit of a discount as a result of reviving his career in Phoenix and the coaches putting him in a situation to thrive.

6. Re-sign Brandon Knight to a deal at about 4/$53m.

This would be my roster:
Bledsoe/Taylor
Knight/Green/Goodwin/Bullock
Tucker/Morris/Warren
Morris/Thompson/Ashley
Len/Sims

I know a lot of people are going to come at me with pitchforks because there isn't enough playing time to Archie and Warren. I disagree. Archie SHOULD be able to become our 3rd guard next season, I wouldn't expect Taylor to play too much as a rookie considering who is ahead of him in the guard rotation. If Archie Goodwin, in his 3rd season can't beat out Gerald Green then none of us have any business complaining.

As for TJ, while I like his skillset and what he brings, the team has committed a lot of money to the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart. I hope he develops and is able to beat them out for more playing time, but it doesn't look like the Suns are going to move Marcus or PJ any time soon.


So, there you have it. That's my plan. A strong young team that will likely post a winning record, if not challenge for a playoff spot and TONS of room for growth together.




The Suns will try to CONSOLIDATE multiple players/assets to bring in a more talented player.
Dave King from BSOTS made an interesting point that the Suns players were "competing" for each other for minutes prior the trade... McD/Hornacek won't do that again by signing additional players who need minutes.
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Post#199 » by jredsaz » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:56 am

All the stuff Amin al Hassin has said about the reputation of the organization and of Sarver is concerning. It is clear al Hassin has an axe to grind but there have been other reports like the "Sarver was a hardliner in the CBA negotiations." The Bledsoe negotiations, Dragic situation. I wonder if agents fear steering their top guys to the Suns?
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Post#200 » by TeamTragic » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:06 am

Why the hell would the SUNS sign Green to a new contract? I guess you enjoy watching him play no defense while chucking shots.

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