Markieff's rebounding

Revived · Post #1 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:01 am

This really can't be said enough...Kieff needs to improve his rebounding. I get that he can score and he's good at it (even though he's inconsistent as s**t at that too) but how the hell is so terrible at the other end of the court?

He's isn't a player who is new to the NBA or anything anymore, next season will be his FIFTH in the league. And its not like he's too small or anything either, he's 6'10, 245 lbs.

Look at his rebounding numbers through his game log, especially look at how little rebounds he has even in games he plays a ton of minutes

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... eff-morris

You can make the case that he's maybe the worst rebounder among all starting PFs in the conference right now. He's definitely bottom 5. Considering how much everyone used to bitch about Amare's rebounding, he was much better Kieff in this category.

I get that askin for 10 rebounds might be a little too much for Kieff but considering he doesn't play a lick of defense either, can't he at least make up for it by averaging at least like 8 boards a game like how Love does?

I don't get it, he watches Len play defense and rebound his ass off, doesn't it ever motivate him into thinking "Wow, maybe I should become a little like him and rebound and defend better too considering he's like 5 years younger than me and already way better at it".

Kieff actually became a WORSE rebounder this year than he was last year which is even more baffling considering he's playing way more minutes this year than last (nearly 5 mins more PER GAME).

In Len We Trust · Post #2 » by **In Len We Trust** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:19 am

Bingo. Keef's rebounding is a top 3 flaw of this team. I find it pretty funny how bad Amare used to get bashed by Suns fans over his rebounding but Keef is 10 times worse and it goes ignored. He's such a great offensive player, which makes it so disappointing.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #3 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:24 am

If we drafted Kawhi instead of Markieff this team would be amazing. Lance Blanks failed us.

Revived · Post #4 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:31 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:If we drafted Kawhi instead of Markieff this team would be amazing. Lance Blanks failed us.

Well speaking of Kawhi...guess who will be a RFA this summer...

JTrain · Post #5 » by **JTrain** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:37 am

Only five starting PFs average under 10 TRB/100 possessions. Keef, Mbah a Moute, Middleton, Frye, Thad Young.

Revived · Post #6 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:41 am

JTrain wrote:Only five starting PF's average under 10 TRB/100 possessions. Keef, Mbah a Moute, Middleton, Frye, Thad Young.

Khris Middleton?

JTrain · Post #7 » by **JTrain** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:42 am

Yeah, he's listed as PF on Reference.

Zelaznyrules · Post #8 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:43 am

I usually defend Keef but his rebounding is getting worse and he's back to being inconsistent. I had thought he'd mostly put that behind him but for more than a month now he's been very up and down. Same with his brother but he's so rarely up it's not as noticeable. We blame everything on our guards but we simply need new forwards, starting and coming in off the bench. Trade the twins, move Tucker to the bench behind Warren and draft nothing but big men for the next several years.

Revived · Post #9 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:50 am

JTrain wrote:Yeah, he's listed as PF on Reference.

They must have made an error because he's a 6'7 SG.

Granted he's also pulling down 4 rebounds a game while being an excellent 3pt shooter.

Oh what I would do to have some like him as our starting guard....

..then again if he came to the Suns, Hornacek would probably play him out of position as a PF or maybe even Center since he has good size for his actual position, SG.

JTrain · Post #10 » by **JTrain** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:53 am

JTrain wrote:Only five four starting PFs average under 10 TRB/100 possessions. Keef, Mbah a Moute, Middleton, Frye, Thad Young.

Young gun 6 · Post #11 » by **Young gun 6** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:20 am

I just don't get why he is so bad at rebounding. Did he learn too much by Frye to just sit out on the arc? Does he not follow in his shots? Can he not box out? Is he bad at positioning himself? Does he have no hustle? I just dont get how a 6'10 pf can average under 7 boarda a game playing 35+ mins.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #12 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:24 am

Young gun 6 wrote:I just don't get why he is so bad at rebounding. Did he learn too much by Frye to just sit out on the arc? Does he not follow in his shots? Can he not box out? Is he bad at positioning himself? Does he have no hustle? I just dont get how a 6'10 pf can average under 7 boarda a game playing 35+ mins.

Small arms

Young gun 6 · Post #13 » by **Young gun 6** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:26 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:I just don't get why he is so bad at rebounding. Did he learn too much by Frye to just sit out on the arc? Does he not follow in his shots? Can he not box out? Is he bad at positioning himself? Does he have no hustle? I just dont get how a 6'10 pf can average under 7 boarda a game playing 35+ mins.

Small arms

What is his wingspan? Are his arms basically the equivalent to a 6'5 player or something? If so this will be a massive liability in the future with him starting or playing 30+ mins we will almost certainly lose the rebounding battle every single night even if Len can average 10.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #14 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:29 am

Young gun 6 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:I just don't get why he is so bad at rebounding. Did he learn too much by Frye to just sit out on the arc? Does he not follow in his shots? Can he not box out? Is he bad at positioning himself? Does he have no hustle? I just dont get how a 6'10 pf can average under 7 boarda a game playing 35+ mins.

Small arms

What is his wingspan? Are his arms basically the equivalent to a 6'5 player or something? If so this will be a massive liability in the future with him starting or playing 30+ mins we will almost certainly lose the rebounding battle every single night even if Len can average 10.

His wingspan is 6'11

Tucker is 6'5 and has a 7'1 wingspan

Bledsoe is 6'1 and has a 6'8 wingspan

Young gun 6 · Post #15 » by **Young gun 6** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:31 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Small arms

What is his wingspan? Are his arms basically the equivalent to a 6'5 player or something? If so this will be a massive liability in the future with him starting or playing 30+ mins we will almost certainly lose the rebounding battle every single night even if Len can average 10.

His wingspan is 6'11

Tucker is 6'5 and has a 7'1 wingspan

Bledsoe is 6'1 and has a 6'8 wingspan

What are the wingspans like of some other pf's around Kieff's height that get a lot more boards? Any that have the same or similar wingspan that get bulk boards?

SunsFanSSOL · Post #16 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:40 am

Young gun 6 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
What is his wingspan? Are his arms basically the equivalent to a 6'5 player or something? If so this will be a massive liability in the future with him starting or playing 30+ mins we will almost certainly lose the rebounding battle every single night even if Len can average 10.

His wingspan is 6'11

Tucker is 6'5 and has a 7'1 wingspan

Bledsoe is 6'1 and has a 6'8 wingspan

What are the wingspans like of some other pf's around Kieff's height that get a lot more boards? Any that have the same or similar wingspan that get bulk boards?

LMA is 6'11, has a 7'4 wingspan

Monroe is 6'11, has a 7'2 wingspan

Randolph is 6'9, has a 7'4 wingspan

Cousins is 6'11, has a 7'6 wingspan

Jefferson is 6'10, has a 7'3 wingspan

Wright is 6'10, has a 7'5 wingspan

Markieff also isn't 6'10 he was measured at 6'9.25 at the combine.

JTrain · Post #17 » by **JTrain** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:45 am

His arms are not the issue IMO. His standing reach (8'10.5") is in line with most players around his size:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011 ... id=6569647

His issues are positioning, boxing out, effort, etc.

Blackification · Post #18 » by **Blackification** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:46 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:If we drafted Kawhi instead of Markieff this team would be amazing. Lance Blanks failed us.

You could make the argument that without Pop Kawhi wouldn't be the player he is today.

Mr Puddles · Post #19 » by **Mr Puddles** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:48 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:
His wingspan is 6'11

Tucker is 6'5 and has a 7'1 wingspan

Bledsoe is 6'1 and has a 6'8 wingspan

What are the wingspans like of some other pf's around Kieff's height that get a lot more boards? Any that have the same or similar wingspan that get bulk boards?

LMA is 6'11, has a 7'4 wingspan

Monroe is 6'11, has a 7'2 wingspan

Randolph is 6'9, has a 7'4 wingspan

Cousins is 6'11, has a 7'6 wingspan

Jefferson is 6'10, has a 7'3 wingspan

Wright is 6'10, has a 7'5 wingspan

Markieff also isn't 6'10 he was measured at 6'9.25 at the combine.

Kevin Love is 6′ 9.5” with a wingspan of 6′ 11.3” , and a standing reach of 8′ 10” - very similar to Keiff's measurements.

Keiff's problem is that he doesn't box out. It is one thing to not grab the rebound yourself, but at least box out your man so that you prevent him from grabbing the board. Keiff is consistently not bodying up his man.

Mr Puddles · Post #20 » by **Mr Puddles** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:50 am

JTrain wrote:His arms are not the issue IMO. His standing reach (8'10.5") is in line with most players around his size:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011 ... id=6569647

His issues are positioning, boxing out, effort, etc.

This. You just beat me to this as I was typing my response.