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Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls

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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#21 » by kyrv » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:44 pm

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ATRAIN53 wrote:
and the guy who would have benefitted MOST from this might have been Carmelo - maybe him and Iverson would have won the West and taken out the Celtics.....



Huh? The Melo/AI experiment was a monumental failure regardless of where Kobe was. They were never winning jack shyt. That team got pummeled by the Lakers in the 1st round. blowouts every game. I was at a couple of those. Melo stunk up the floor. Badly.


Sadly you may even be understating this.

However has to go down as a classic duo in the history of the NBA.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#22 » by Payt10 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:47 pm

The Bulls still wouldn't trade Deng for Pau.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#23 » by dougthonus » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:31 pm

I don't know how many of those pieces were required to be in the trade to make it happen, but if it was all of them it would have been ridiculously bad for Chicago in the end anyway. The Bulls would have had complete crap left and Kobe, then Kobe would have fled anyway.

I sure hope the FO would veto such a trade, not because of Deng specifically, but because you can't give up your four best players for one player who's only locked in for a couple seasons and come out ahead.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#24 » by Trm3 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:32 pm

coldfish wrote:This thread should be stickied and every Bulls board member should be forced to type the following sentence in it:

"The Bulls were willing to trade Deng in a package for Kobe, but Kobe vetoed it."

The idea that the Bulls would not trade Deng for Kobe took on a life of its own at some point and still comes up from time to time.

I wasn't on here in 2007 but what I always heard was Kobe didn't want to come here if Deng was traded, he wanted Deng here.

It's almost like the Melo thing..he wanted Gibson to be here if he was coming but people always insisted we trade Taj to sign Melo. Melo didn't want that, he wanted Taj to stay here.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#25 » by kyrv » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:41 pm

dougthonus wrote:I don't know how many of those pieces were required to be in the trade to make it happen, but if it was all of them it would have been ridiculously bad for Chicago in the end anyway. The Bulls would have had complete crap left and Kobe, then Kobe would have fled anyway.

I sure hope the FO would veto such a trade, not because of Deng specifically, but because you can't give up your four best players for one player who's only locked in for a couple seasons and come out ahead.


Plus the Lakers didn't really want to trade Bryant. I believe they commented afterwards that they were never really going to trade him, of course that would also be PR 101, though in this case, probably true.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#26 » by Red Larrivee » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:44 pm

umfan83 wrote:Yes, that's what it was. I knew there was another deal where the perception was the Bulls wouldn't give up Deng in a deal.


There's no perception. The Bulls wouldn't part with Deng for a 26-year-old Gasol. Memphis' owner said the Bulls were offering "bench players."

But hey, 7 years later, they parted with Deng to sign a 34-year-old Gasol. :lol:
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#27 » by the ultimates » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:09 pm

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umfan83 wrote:Yes, that's what it was. I knew there was another deal where the perception was the Bulls wouldn't give up Deng in a deal.


There's no perception. The Bulls wouldn't part with Deng for a 26-year-old Gasol. Memphis' owner said the Bulls were offering "bench players."

But hey, 7 years later, they parted with Deng to sign a 34-year-old Gasol. :lol:


The Bulls were right though. Deng had more value at that time than anything Memphis actually gave up. The trade looks good in hindsight for Memphis because Marc Gasol a 2nd round pick became a franchise player but that is an extreme rarity. The rest of the names in the deal Grievoius Vasquez, Aaron Mckie, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon a first round pick that was used on Donte Green and a second rounder used on Devin Ebanks.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#28 » by kulaz3000 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:33 pm

We've talked about this a million times already, but I for one still firmly believe that Kobe never truly had any intentions of leaving the Lakers. IF he felt like he was forced to, perhaps the Bulls would have been his top choice, but I honestly believe that was the last thing on his mind and that entire situation was about forcing the Lakers to better the team and it worked for him.

It was the most well-documented situation of a player using the Bulls as leverage, and then it happened again several times with other free agents thereafter.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#29 » by Axl Rose » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:33 pm

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umfan83 wrote:Yes, that's what it was. I knew there was another deal where the perception was the Bulls wouldn't give up Deng in a deal.


There's no perception. The Bulls wouldn't part with Deng for a 26-year-old Gasol. Memphis' owner said the Bulls were offering "bench players."


then turned around and gave a Gasol away for bench players lol

actually not even bench players...a "bonafide scrub" according to SAS

they got lucky with Marc and saved it from being one of the worst trades in history

but yeah Bulls should have parted with Deng for Gasol
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#30 » by JordansBulls » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:47 pm

This was at the beginning of the 2008 season wasn't it? After Kobe saw how Deng played in the 2007 playoffs vs Miami he wanted Deng on the team.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#31 » by Red Larrivee » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:14 am

the ultimates wrote:The Bulls were right though. Deng had more value at that time than anything Memphis actually gave up. The trade looks good in hindsight for Memphis because Marc Gasol a 2nd round pick became a franchise player but that is an extreme rarity. The rest of the names in the deal Grievoius Vasquez, Aaron Mckie, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon a first round pick that was used on Donte Green and a second rounder used on Devin Ebanks.


They ended up being wrong, very, very wrong. Deng's value got worse for a few years after the deal, while Gasol went on to be one of the best players in the league and carve out the essentials of a likely HOF-career in LA with two NBA championships.

This is from a Q&A Michael Heisley (Grizzlies owner at the time), did after the trade

Q. When did you realize that a financial deal had to be made?

A. I realized it when we tried to negotiate with Chicago. They weren't interested in giving us financial relief. We had other conversations with teams and the people they were giving us back were veterans with substantial money left on their contracts. They were not of the same quality that Pau was.

We didn't feel like we had a trade that was going to give us quality for quality or someone that would change the direction of the team that much. We had conversations with Chicago which were non-satisfactory. They didn't want to take on the luxury-tax situation and Los Angeles was. In this league, if you're in a big-market area you can afford to do those things. We negotiated as hard as we could for quality players and (Chicago) refused to give up anybody in their core group. What they offered us were guys who play on the second and third team, so we turned them down.


Basically, in order to make the salary work, the Bulls needed to sign P.J. Brown to go into the luxury tax to sign-and-trade P.J. Brown on a one-year contract to the Grizzlies with a rookie contract. Management refused, Gasol became a Laker and the rest is history. So there was a scenario where the Bulls likely could have had Deng, Gasol, probably Noah and they still said no because they didn't want to pay the tax.

I don't blame them for the Kobe deal however. LA wanted Deng, but Kobe wanted Deng in Chicago. Nothing gave. The Gasol situation was inexcuable though. It was cheap and bad player evaluation.
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Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#32 » by RebuildaBulls » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:57 am

I remember this, the trade that most Bulls fans didn't want to happen, thank god it didnt
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#33 » by Mobby » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:57 am

RebuildaBulls wrote:I remember this, the trade that most Bulls fans didn't want to happen, thank god it didnt


Think so? You think if Kobe decided to uproot hsi life from LA and come to Chicago, he wouldn't commit to a few more years after his contract, realizing that it would be a couple year rebuilding project? Don't think he would be able to recruit some nice big-man talent around the league?

Unless someone just has a propensity for hating Kobe, I don't think it would be logical to say we were better off without having him. Of course, I'm a huge fan of Rose, so I'm mostly glad it didn't happen.
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Re: Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#34 » by BoocheeMan1117 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:47 am

t-time wrote:We missed out on getting a true number 2 option to pair with Kirk


At that time. People actually thought Kirk was a building block :lol: Even considering passing on Derrick Rose since Kirk "was our Point Guard already"
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Looking back to 2007: Kobe really demanded a trade to Bulls 

Post#35 » by nitetrain8603 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:58 am

Yet you posters on here as well as a ton of other places kill rid Buchner saying he had no sources.


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