Is Hornacek the problem?

Cutter · Post #141 » by **Cutter** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:06 pm

Hornacek is not the problem......right now.

Midnight_Suns · Post #142 » by **Midnight_Suns** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:09 am

Cutter wrote:Hornacek is not the problem......right now.

There can be more than one problem.

Cutter · Post #143 » by **Cutter** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:59 pm

Midnight_Suns wrote:
Cutter wrote:Hornacek is not the problem......right now.

There can be more than one problem.

Agreed. We can, and do, have multiple problems on this team. Hornacek is way down the list of issues.

Midnight_Suns · Post #144 » by **Midnight_Suns** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:06 am

Cutter wrote:
Midnight_Suns wrote:
Cutter wrote:Hornacek is not the problem......right now.

There can be more than one problem.

Agreed. We can, and do, have multiple problems on this team. Hornacek is way down the list of issues.

I disagree. While I acknowledge that he is dealing with some difficult personnel, it is clear that he has no control over how the team plays while they are on the court, unless iso ball is his "system" in which case the discussion of his coaching prowess is over.

Tell me that a player would yell in the face of Van Gundy or Popovich the way Marcus did to Jeff. The players do not respect him and that is a serious issue for a head coach to have.

The man has no sack, refuses to hold players accountable for their performance, and appears to have an aversion to playing our young guys. That is why Green or Marcus can go 1-12 on any given night and Warren and Goodwin still see no PT.

Puff · Post #145 » by **Puff** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:32 am

Bump

This thread need to stay front and center.

Hornacek is and has been the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1. This team has not played for 48 minutes in any game all season long
2. This team runs no plays
3. This team plays no defense
4. This team does not respect the coach (My guess)
5. We had to dump half the roster from a 48 win team because of team chemistry - that is mostly the coaches job.

Green's minutes were cut back as much as anyones when IT arrived. Since IT has left town Green still sits. He was one of the main reasons why we won 48 games last year. While Green certainly is not the total answer to our problems, he deserves to get minutes. I just do not see anyone happy about wearing a Phoenix Suns uniform. It appears Hornacek has lost this team.

If things do not change soon, Hornacek needs to go. We need some improvement in at least consistent effort.

Puff · Post #146 » by **Puff** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:09 pm

In Coro's column today in the AZ Republic Knight basically called out Hornacek for his attention to defense. He has only been here a couple of days and he is suggesting that Horny is more concerned about the offensive end than the defensive end. He said in Milwaukee that defense was important.

Maybe that is Longobardi's job. What is his job anyway?

Maybe we should hire MDA as a defensive consultant.

Horny has lost this team. I wonder when management will realize it.

In Len We Trust · Post #147 » by **In Len We Trust** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:55 pm

We should have hired Jason Kidd instead of Hornacek. Amazing defensive coach and would be great for our PG's.

Revived · Post #148 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:59 pm

In Len We Trust wrote:We should have hired Jason Kidd instead of Hornacek. Amazing defensive coach and would be great for our PG's.

And more importantly to the Suns and some fans here, Kidd was also a former Suns player just like Hornacek.

Revived · Post #149 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:59 pm

Puff wrote:In Coro's column today in the AZ Republic Knight basically called out Hornacek for his attention to defense. He has only been here a couple of days and he is suggesting that Horny is more concerned about the offensive end than the defensive end. He said in Milwaukee that defense was important.

Maybe that is Longobardi's job. What is his job anyway?

Maybe we should hire MDA as a defensive consultant.

Horny has lost this team. I wonder when management will realize it.

Link please?

In Len We Trust · Post #150 » by **In Len We Trust** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:10 pm

SF88 wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:We should have hired Jason Kidd instead of Hornacek. Amazing defensive coach and would be great for our PG's.

And more importantly to the Suns and some fans here, Kidd was also a former Suns player just like Hornacek.

"B-b-but Jason Kidd isn't a super nice guy! He's not as likable as Hornacek so Hornacek is the best!!!1!1one!"
-Most of the horribly stupid Suns fans

RunDogGun · Post #151 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:38 pm

I would offer the Czar an assistant job (at a high price), and fire whoever we felt wasn't doing their job well.

RunDogGun · Post #152 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:40 pm

Puff wrote:In Coro's column today in the AZ Republic Knight basically called out Hornacek for his attention to defense. He has only been here a couple of days and he is suggesting that Horny is more concerned about the offensive end than the defensive end. He said in Milwaukee that defense was important.

Maybe that is Longobardi's job. What is his job anyway?

Maybe we should hire MDA as a defensive consultant.

Horny has lost this team. I wonder when management will realize it.

You should provide the link to the article. Lately there has been way too much reading or misreading between the lines around here. I would like to read Knight's responses, and the actual questions he was asked.

Post #153 » by **TASTIC** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:55 pm

SF88 wrote:
Puff wrote:In Coro's column today in the AZ Republic Knight basically called out Hornacek for his attention to defense. He has only been here a couple of days and he is suggesting that Horny is more concerned about the offensive end than the defensive end. He said in Milwaukee that defense was important.

Maybe that is Longobardi's job. What is his job anyway?

Maybe we should hire MDA as a defensive consultant.

Horny has lost this team. I wonder when management will realize it.

Link please?

Here's the link and the quote as well:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /23920711/

It has been a striking change for Knight coming from Milwaukee, the NBA's fourth-best defense.

"Everything was defensively drilled and, here, it's a little bit geared to our offense," Knight said.

Puff · Post #154 » by **Puff** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:27 pm

TASTIC wrote:
SF88 wrote:
Puff wrote:In Coro's column today in the AZ Republic Knight basically called out Hornacek for his attention to defense. He has only been here a couple of days and he is suggesting that Horny is more concerned about the offensive end than the defensive end. He said in Milwaukee that defense was important.

Maybe that is Longobardi's job. What is his job anyway?

Maybe we should hire MDA as a defensive consultant.

Horny has lost this team. I wonder when management will realize it.

Link please?

Here's the link and the quote as well:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /23920711/

It has been a striking change for Knight coming from Milwaukee, the NBA's fourth-best defense.

"Everything was defensively drilled and, here, it's a little bit geared to our offense," Knight said.

Thanks Tastic for posting this for me. I would really like to know what exactly Horny is working on to improve our offense. A good start would be 48 minutes of hard play. Doesn't the head coach set the tone for hard play, by demanding it?

Again what does Longobardi do?

I repeat even after we just flushed out the suspected problems from the roster, no one seems happy. I think Hornacek has lost this team. If you think I am wrong tell me what I am missing.

I am really struggling to find many positives other than Len's play. Everyone is getting off on Archie and for the most part he has played well. However he will be limited until he can make a jump shot. I am not quite ready to put him in the HOF. It appears all Len needs is time and someone that will demand that he gets his touches, every night.

Revived · Post #155 » by **Revived** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:49 pm

Puff wrote:
TASTIC wrote:
SF88 wrote:Link please?

Here's the link and the quote as well:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /23920711/

It has been a striking change for Knight coming from Milwaukee, the NBA's fourth-best defense.

"Everything was defensively drilled and, here, it's a little bit geared to our offense," Knight said.

Thanks Tastic for posting this for me. I would really like to know what exactly Horny is working on to improve our offense. A good start would be 48 minutes of hard play. Doesn't the head coach set the tone for hard play, by demanding it?

Again what does Longobardi do?

I repeat even after we just flushed out the suspected problems from the roster, no one seems happy. I think Hornacek has lost this team. If you think I am wrong tell me what I am missing.

I am really struggling to find many positives other than Len's play. Everyone is getting off on Archie and for the most part he has played well. However he will be limited until he can make a jump shot. I am not quite ready to put him in the HOF. It appears all Len needs is time and someone that will demand that he gets his touches, every night.

Hornacek reminds me so much of a poor man's Scott Brooks every day.

In Len We Trust · Post #156 » by **In Len We Trust** » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:11 pm

Hornacek is like a 13 year old with severe ADHD playing NBA 2K15

Young gun 6 · Post #157 » by **Young gun 6** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:21 am

I love McD and think he has been one of the best gms in the league in the last two years. Hate hornacek. The difference between winning and losing can easily be a good coach. Look at Spurs, Atlanta, Milwaukee. I would love to get thibs or any hard nosed coach who can put players in their places when needed. Harnacek doesn't have that imo.

RunDogGun · Post #158 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:33 am

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. We have a lot of guys that are doing stuff they didn't do so much last season. We have the same ISO players. Often our guys are coming out lazy, and it's really tough to just bench them.

Very tough to use Pop as an example. He walked into a pretty good situation, and has some of the best players in the world during his run. It didn't hurt the Holt was Stern's buddy either. Again, if we were allowed to do the sh*t they were allowed to do, we would have won a few chips taking them on.

Atl is having our 2010 season. Guys that not only know their roles, but play for each other. That chemistry is very rare. That type of chemistry made Gentry of all coaches look good. :lol:

After he lost that chemistry he was exposed as just an ok coach. Milw isn't very good, and we took their best player. Maybe he can get the rest of the guys buy in. The hardest part will be to convince Bledsoe to give a damn for the whole game.

This is good as well, but again having great players is quite helpful for a coach.

DaleyBlind · Post #159 » by **DaleyBlind** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:54 am

Our offense "system" does not exist, its clear what it is but its not a system. The system is an Iso or pick and roll and then the ball handler does what ever he wants too do, this whilst everyone else just stands and watches him - no movement or anything.
There is also the Markeiff Post up, same thing as above.

Hearing Knight's comments pisses me off, it just makes we wonder how much we even practice defense or how much of an emphasis there is on it. I bet our practice is alot of scrimmage games with Hornacek yelling 'Push Push" "Go faster, push the pace" **** like that.

He also seems to be too soft on players, I just feel like the players can walk all over him and Hornacek would let them. I get the sense he hates confrontation.

RunDogGun · Post #160 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:05 am

DaleyBlind wrote:Our offense "system" does not exist, its clear what it is but its not a system. The system is an Iso or pick and roll and then the ball handler does what ever he wants too do, this whilst everyone else just stands and watches him - no movement or anything.
There is also the Markeiff Post up, same thing as above.

Hearing Knight's comments pisses me off, it just makes we wonder how much we even practice defense or how much of an emphasis there is on it. I bet our practice is alot of scrimmage games with Hornacek yelling 'Push Push" "Go faster, push the pace" **** like that.

He also seems to be too soft on players, I just feel like the players can walk all over him and Hornacek would let them. I get the sense he hates confrontation.

It seems silly to get mad at speculation. Guy could just be too dumb to run the offense, or just don't want to do it. Could be why Green is sitting and watching more games. Since the trades, the Morris brothers have been doing less ISO ball, and when they do, it seems like they are sitting shortly after it, unless they are on fire. Bledsoe seems to be looking for players earlier than he did before the trade.

After such a great year last season, and with now so many changes, it all needs more time.