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Hangman_52 wrote:Jones didn't run because he is recovering from surgery on an torn labarum. He didn't want to open stitches.
I_am_1z wrote:Hangman_52 wrote:Jones didn't run because he is recovering from surgery on an torn labarum. He didn't want to open stitches.
That's probably inaccurate seeing that he ran the fastest 60 yard shuttle of ALL the players at the combine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP84RwIv6Q <--- In case you want to see what the shuttle is about
ChrisPozz wrote:I_am_1z wrote:Hangman_52 wrote:Jones didn't run because he is recovering from surgery on an torn labarum. He didn't want to open stitches.
That's probably inaccurate seeing that he ran the fastest 60 yard shuttle of ALL the players at the combine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP84RwIv6Q <--- In case you want to see what the shuttle is about
I can clear it up. He did not run because he's in his 15th week of rehab and this was only the 3rd week of running he had so decided it would be wise to wait until his pro day.
I can't verify right now if opening up stitches was also the other reason but I saw quotes saying what I just said above. I'm not saying that that's not true but I just never saw that yet personally.
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On a completely different topic. As I said before and speaking on what Clyde said about my words in the past. I really hope more people come around to the idea of using extreme caution with 40s, shuttles, and 3-cones and not to put too much into them without having seen them with your own two eyes.
We're entering a day where there's technology that's helping create a more accurate picture when these players test but it's not a perfect system where all 4.4 forties or all 4.45 forties are definitely equal.
For as much as technology will eventually take out more and more errors, I still don't think we'll ever have a better tool for measuring than our own eyes because so much about football is how a player moves, his technique and how real or manufactured it is compared to functional football movement. There's also human error like missteps and stumbles that people don't see when they look at a list of times.
The scouts try to do a good job of only letting a guy finish a drill if there were no big mistakes throughout a player's attempt, and allowing a guy the chance to do each drill twice gives scouts a better picture than if they would get only one attempt, but more often than not there's something small people can pick up on that can tell a story why a guy may not have run a better time or in some player's cases you can visibly see the ones who run with manufactured speed that won't necessarily translate to the football field.
I wish there was a way that I could better explain what I mean but hopefully that makes some sense.
I_am_1z wrote:ChrisPozz wrote:I_am_1z wrote:
That's probably inaccurate seeing that he ran the fastest 60 yard shuttle of ALL the players at the combine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP84RwIv6Q <--- In case you want to see what the shuttle is about
I can clear it up. He did not run because he's in his 15th week of rehab and this was only the 3rd week of running he had so decided it would be wise to wait until his pro day.
I can't verify right now if opening up stitches was also the other reason but I saw quotes saying what I just said above. I'm not saying that that's not true but I just never saw that yet personally.
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On a completely different topic. As I said before and speaking on what Clyde said about my words in the past. I really hope more people come around to the idea of using extreme caution with 40s, shuttles, and 3-cones and not to put too much into them without having seen them with your own two eyes.
We're entering a day where there's technology that's helping create a more accurate picture when these players test but it's not a perfect system where all 4.4 forties or all 4.45 forties are definitely equal.
For as much as technology will eventually take out more and more errors, I still don't think we'll ever have a better tool for measuring than our own eyes because so much about football is how a player moves, his technique and how real or manufactured it is compared to functional football movement. There's also human error like missteps and stumbles that people don't see when they look at a list of times.
The scouts try to do a good job of only letting a guy finish a drill if there were no big mistakes throughout a player's attempt, and allowing a guy the chance to do each drill twice gives scouts a better picture than if they would get only one attempt, but more often than not there's something small people can pick up on that can tell a story why a guy may not have run a better time or in some player's cases you can visibly see the ones who run with manufactured speed that won't necessarily translate to the football field.
I wish there was a way that I could better explain what I mean but hopefully that makes some sense.
Draftbreakdown combine tracker has his times listed for the 3 cone and the shuttles. Mockdraftable.com does as well. I didn't see it with my own eyes, so maybe it's just bad information
ChrisPozz wrote:I_am_1z wrote:ChrisPozz wrote:
I can clear it up. He did not run because he's in his 15th week of rehab and this was only the 3rd week of running he had so decided it would be wise to wait until his pro day.
I can't verify right now if opening up stitches was also the other reason but I saw quotes saying what I just said above. I'm not saying that that's not true but I just never saw that yet personally.
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On a completely different topic. As I said before and speaking on what Clyde said about my words in the past. I really hope more people come around to the idea of using extreme caution with 40s, shuttles, and 3-cones and not to put too much into them without having seen them with your own two eyes.
We're entering a day where there's technology that's helping create a more accurate picture when these players test but it's not a perfect system where all 4.4 forties or all 4.45 forties are definitely equal.
For as much as technology will eventually take out more and more errors, I still don't think we'll ever have a better tool for measuring than our own eyes because so much about football is how a player moves, his technique and how real or manufactured it is compared to functional football movement. There's also human error like missteps and stumbles that people don't see when they look at a list of times.
The scouts try to do a good job of only letting a guy finish a drill if there were no big mistakes throughout a player's attempt, and allowing a guy the chance to do each drill twice gives scouts a better picture than if they would get only one attempt, but more often than not there's something small people can pick up on that can tell a story why a guy may not have run a better time or in some player's cases you can visibly see the ones who run with manufactured speed that won't necessarily translate to the football field.
I wish there was a way that I could better explain what I mean but hopefully that makes some sense.
Draftbreakdown combine tracker has his times listed for the 3 cone and the shuttles. Mockdraftable.com does as well. I didn't see it with my own eyes, so maybe it's just bad information
I was saying he DIDN'T run the 40. He did run the 3-cone and shuttles as I previously posted in this thread with all the other times.
I_am_1z wrote:ChrisPozz wrote:I_am_1z wrote:
Draftbreakdown combine tracker has his times listed for the 3 cone and the shuttles. Mockdraftable.com does as well. I didn't see it with my own eyes, so maybe it's just bad information
I was saying he DIDN'T run the 40. He did run the 3-cone and shuttles as I previously posted in this thread with all the other times.
The reasoning is what I'm not understanding. The guy runs full speed in other drills but doesn't want to run the 40? Sure, that's the information out there, but it doesn't seem logical.
NinerSickness wrote:Wrong thread.