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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#161 » by thamadkant » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:23 am

Hornacek is simply too "nice".

If ball movement is his instruction... and catch and shoot plays to open up the lane. Then BENCH anyone who receives a clean pass only to dribble it and hold onto the ball for a few seconds before shooting a jump shot. You can tell its not the intended play since the other 4 players are standing waiting for the ball to rotate back out.

I've said this a million times... the Twins play as if they are Carmelo Anthony. If they were as good as Carmelo, it wouldnt be as bad since they will put up 25-30 points a night...

Hornacek needs to be a Popovic, in which he calls a time out after a player chooses to do a selfish play and scolds them.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#162 » by batsmasher » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:14 am

It's never going to happen but... watching Carlisle tear into Rondo today makes me dream of what this team would do if there was a little more discipline. But we can't ask Horny to be somebody he isn't.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#163 » by TASTIC » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:15 am

I think Hornaceck would have proved many doubters wrong had he just said to Mook 'Enough, you're done today' and sent him to the locker-room - then suspended him a game after that ridiculous outburst a few months ago.

Green has been a model citizen and never complained about minutes or DNPs, yet Mook got away with savaging his coach like a 4yr old yelling at their parent for turning the TV off. Madness.

Maybe that just isn't his demeanor, but he doesn't need to be yelling/screaming/berating his team to get them to follow him...
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#164 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:41 pm

I'd like to see more emotion from him. Getting down by 20 at home to the Celtics should have sparked some emotion that I didn't see( sat by Suns bench). Maybe he let them have it at halftime? We did come back but the fact that we can't play a full game of smart, team basketball is what is driving all of us insane.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#165 » by RunDogGun » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:10 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:I'd like to see more emotion from him. Getting down by 20 at home to the Celtics should have sparked some emotion that I didn't see( sat by Suns bench). Maybe he let them have it at halftime? We did come back but the fact that we can't play a full game of smart, team basketball is what is driving all of us insane.

When I was sitting by the bench (Philly game last yr), Jeff seemed quite passionate. He went after the ref every time I yelled something at a ref, which was quite often. :lol:
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#166 » by kennydorglas » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:37 pm

1UPZ wrote:Hornacek is simply too "nice".

If ball movement is his instruction... and catch and shoot plays to open up the lane. Then BENCH anyone who receives a clean pass only to dribble it and hold onto the ball for a few seconds before shooting a jump shot. You can tell its not the intended play since the other 4 players are standing waiting for the ball to rotate back out.

I've said this a million times... the Twins play as if they are Carmelo Anthony. If they were as good as Carmelo, it wouldnt be as bad since they will put up 25-30 points a night...

Hornacek needs to be a Popovic, in which he calls a time out after a player chooses to do a selfish play and scolds them.


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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#167 » by In Len We Trust » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:38 pm

The Suns marketing of Horny has been brilliant. They have really gotten the public to buy in and think he's a good coach. Too bad he sucks and needs to go.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#168 » by Revived » Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:24 am

Shaud wrote:Hornacek refusing to play Archie Goodwin is straight up bull.

Suns fans have been waiting over 2 years now for Hornacek to give Goodwin playing but he would rather watch Gerald Green make a fool of himself and chuck and chuck and chuck horrible contested 3s which be bricks and be a moron on the defensive end than give Goodwin playing time.

Goodwin got playing time shortly after the Dragic/IT trade but looks like he's back in Hornacek's dog house. Warren had a great game on Wednesday and was rewarded for it by getting a DNP in the Thursday Thunder game as well.

He does this all because he prefers....Gerald freaking Green over Goodwin and Warren...unbelievable.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#169 » by Matt1979 » Sun Mar 1, 2015 11:10 pm

He's out coached WAY too often for my liking.

Could be worse though. We could play basketball that bores you to death watching it, I love the fast paced stuff.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#170 » by Revived » Tue Mar 3, 2015 4:17 am

Matt1979 wrote:He's out coached WAY too often for my liking.

Could be worse though. We could play basketball that bores you to death watching it, I love the fast paced stuff.

We're entertaining but not in the good way :wink:
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#171 » by Puff » Tue Mar 3, 2015 7:27 am

We are a train wreck of epic proportions and need dramatic change again at the management level.

I have supported McDonough but when he traded that Laker pick & Ennis to get Knight I thought we might be getting a gem so I gave him a free pass. Knight sucks balls. We should have kept IT and dealt with the situation this summer. We had to trade Dragic but giving up that Laker pick was just stupid. My bet is that he did that in a fit of anger, not a good thing.

Babby should be gone by morning. He is the moron that appeared to be at the forefront of the Morris twins extension and walks around puffing out his chest as to what a good deal it was. We could have waited on them until this summer to make a decision on them. They were going nowhere, now we probably want them to go anywhere but cannot do a damn thing about it.

Hornacek still seems to be above the law for some reason even while we play the worst basketball in the NBA. He has lost this team and appears to not have clue as to how to draw up a play that can be counted on. The only way we ever win is when we are hot from the three point line. We traded away two of our best three point shooters and the other one, Green, cannot make one at this point and has lost total confidence in his game.

I would go back to the future:

President of Basketball Operations: Grant Hill

General Manager: Bryan Colangelo

Head Coach: Mike D'Antoni

Lead Assistant: Steve Nash

That is a group that could work together and add some much needed class to the front office and sideline.

Bobby - just do it
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#172 » by Young gun 6 » Tue Mar 3, 2015 8:41 am

Can we fire his ass. He blames all the players for being soft yet he runs a **** system with very little plays and is soft as butter himself. Man up and show discipline to the players , not diss them to the media.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#173 » by MrMiyagi » Tue Mar 3, 2015 9:50 pm

I hear our old friend is looking for a coaching job

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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#174 » by Revived » Tue Mar 3, 2015 10:22 pm

Puff wrote:We are a train wreck of epic proportions and need dramatic change again at the management level.

I have supported McDonough but when he traded that Laker pick & Ennis to get Knight I thought we might be getting a gem so I gave him a free pass. Knight sucks balls. We should have kept IT and dealt with the situation this summer. We had to trade Dragic but giving up that Laker pick was just stupid. My bet is that he did that in a fit of anger, not a good thing.

Babby should be gone by morning. He is the moron that appeared to be at the forefront of the Morris twins extension and walks around puffing out his chest as to what a good deal it was. We could have waited on them until this summer to make a decision on them. They were going nowhere, now we probably want them to go anywhere but cannot do a damn thing about it.

Hornacek still seems to be above the law for some reason even while we play the worst basketball in the NBA. He has lost this team and appears to not have clue as to how to draw up a play that can be counted on. The only way we ever win is when we are hot from the three point line. We traded away two of our best three point shooters and the other one, Green, cannot make one at this point and has lost total confidence in his game.

I would go back to the future:

President of Basketball Operations: Grant Hill

General Manager: Bryan Colangelo

Head Coach: Mike D'Antoni

Lead Assistant: Steve Nash

That is a group that could work together and add some much needed class to the front office and sideline.

Bobby - just do it

He'll probably end up getting the Denver job

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... uggets-Job
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#175 » by TeamTragic » Tue Mar 3, 2015 11:27 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:I hear our old friend is looking for a coaching job

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Can you imagine DA back on the SUNS? We would be in prime lottery pick position :lol:
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#176 » by Saberestar » Wed Mar 4, 2015 1:01 am

Phoenix Suns should hitch their wagon to Jeff Hornacek
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#177 » by Cutter » Wed Mar 4, 2015 2:36 am

Puff wrote:We are a train wreck of epic proportions and need dramatic change again at the management level.

I have supported McDonough but when he traded that Laker pick & Ennis to get Knight I thought we might be getting a gem so I gave him a free pass. Knight sucks balls. We should have kept IT and dealt with the situation this summer. We had to trade Dragic but giving up that Laker pick was just stupid. My bet is that he did that in a fit of anger, not a good thing.

Babby should be gone by morning. He is the moron that appeared to be at the forefront of the Morris twins extension and walks around puffing out his chest as to what a good deal it was. We could have waited on them until this summer to make a decision on them. They were going nowhere, now we probably want them to go anywhere but cannot do a damn thing about it.

Hornacek still seems to be above the law for some reason even while we play the worst basketball in the NBA. He has lost this team and appears to not have clue as to how to draw up a play that can be counted on. The only way we ever win is when we are hot from the three point line. We traded away two of our best three point shooters and the other one, Green, cannot make one at this point and has lost total confidence in his game.

I would go back to the future:

President of Basketball Operations: Grant Hill

General Manager: Bryan Colangelo

Head Coach: Mike D'Antoni

Lead Assistant: Steve Nash

That is a group that could work together and add some much needed class to the front office and sideline.

Bobby - just do it
Puff, I know you are kidding and goofing around with this proposed coaching line up. You are obviously passionate about and frustrated with this team ( as we all are), but after reading your coaching proposal I just have one thing to say............... :o :o :o
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#178 » by Puff » Wed Mar 4, 2015 2:42 am

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Puff wrote:We are a train wreck of epic proportions and need dramatic change again at the management level.

I have supported McDonough but when he traded that Laker pick & Ennis to get Knight I thought we might be getting a gem so I gave him a free pass. Knight sucks balls. We should have kept IT and dealt with the situation this summer. We had to trade Dragic but giving up that Laker pick was just stupid. My bet is that he did that in a fit of anger, not a good thing.

Babby should be gone by morning. He is the moron that appeared to be at the forefront of the Morris twins extension and walks around puffing out his chest as to what a good deal it was. We could have waited on them until this summer to make a decision on them. They were going nowhere, now we probably want them to go anywhere but cannot do a damn thing about it.

Hornacek still seems to be above the law for some reason even while we play the worst basketball in the NBA. He has lost this team and appears to not have clue as to how to draw up a play that can be counted on. The only way we ever win is when we are hot from the three point line. We traded away two of our best three point shooters and the other one, Green, cannot make one at this point and has lost total confidence in his game.

I would go back to the future:

President of Basketball Operations: Grant Hill

General Manager: Bryan Colangelo

Head Coach: Mike D'Antoni

Lead Assistant: Steve Nash

That is a group that could work together and add some much needed class to the front office and sideline.

Bobby - just do it

He'll probably end up getting the Denver job

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... uggets-Job


I hope he does. Unfortunately for the Suns that will put another team in a better position to make the playoffs than the Hornacek led Phoenix Suns.

I have lost all respect for Hornacek after the comments he made to the press after last nights game.

I repeat, he has lost this team and he has to go. He is supposed to lead by example, at least that is my opinion. Why hasn't he instilled the toughness he suggests we are missing in practice sessions and private meetings with individual players ?

This is the beginning of the end of the Hornacek era, book it.

D'Antoni never passed the blame for the teams problems on the players. He took the bullet even when it obviously was not his fault. The good teams and organizations keep this stuff in house. Mike was and is a good coach. I hope he gets one last chance to prove the haters wrong.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#179 » by Revived » Wed Mar 4, 2015 2:53 am

Puff wrote:
SF88 wrote:
Puff wrote:We are a train wreck of epic proportions and need dramatic change again at the management level.

I have supported McDonough but when he traded that Laker pick & Ennis to get Knight I thought we might be getting a gem so I gave him a free pass. Knight sucks balls. We should have kept IT and dealt with the situation this summer. We had to trade Dragic but giving up that Laker pick was just stupid. My bet is that he did that in a fit of anger, not a good thing.

Babby should be gone by morning. He is the moron that appeared to be at the forefront of the Morris twins extension and walks around puffing out his chest as to what a good deal it was. We could have waited on them until this summer to make a decision on them. They were going nowhere, now we probably want them to go anywhere but cannot do a damn thing about it.

Hornacek still seems to be above the law for some reason even while we play the worst basketball in the NBA. He has lost this team and appears to not have clue as to how to draw up a play that can be counted on. The only way we ever win is when we are hot from the three point line. We traded away two of our best three point shooters and the other one, Green, cannot make one at this point and has lost total confidence in his game.

I would go back to the future:

President of Basketball Operations: Grant Hill

General Manager: Bryan Colangelo

Head Coach: Mike D'Antoni

Lead Assistant: Steve Nash

That is a group that could work together and add some much needed class to the front office and sideline.

Bobby - just do it

He'll probably end up getting the Denver job

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... uggets-Job


I hope he does. Unfortunately for the Suns that will put another team in a better position to make the playoffs than the Hornacek led Phoenix Suns.

I have lost all respect for Hornacek after the comments he made to the press after last nights game.

I repeat, he has lost this team and he has to go. He is supposed to lead by example, at least that is my opinion. Why hasn't he instilled the toughness he suggests we are missing in practice sessions and private meetings with individual players ?

This is the beginning of the end of the Hornacek era, book it.

D'Antoni never passed the blame for the teams problems on the players. He took the bullet even when it obviously was not his fault. The good teams and organizations keep this stuff in house. Mike was and is a good coach. I hope he gets one last chance to prove the haters wrong.

I don't know if the Nuggets will be better than us but if you look at that roster, it's perfect for D'Antoni.

They have a speedy PG to push the ball in transition (think Linsanity but better when MDA coached NYK) in Ty Lawson. They have a good athletic rebounder who can run the floor as well as anyone else in Faried. They have shooters in Chandler, Gallinarri both of whom played well under MDA when they played for the KNICKS.

Also a young rising big man in Nurkic to top it off and I think Nuggets are the best fit for MDA and vice versa.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#180 » by Puff » Wed Mar 4, 2015 3:13 am

SF88 wrote:
Puff wrote:
SF88 wrote:He'll probably end up getting the Denver job

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... uggets-Job


I hope he does. Unfortunately for the Suns that will put another team in a better position to make the playoffs than the Hornacek led Phoenix Suns.

I have lost all respect for Hornacek after the comments he made to the press after last nights game.

I repeat, he has lost this team and he has to go. He is supposed to lead by example, at least that is my opinion. Why hasn't he instilled the toughness he suggests we are missing in practice sessions and private meetings with individual players ?

This is the beginning of the end of the Hornacek era, book it.

D'Antoni never passed the blame for the teams problems on the players. He took the bullet even when it obviously was not his fault. The good teams and organizations keep this stuff in house. Mike was and is a good coach. I hope he gets one last chance to prove the haters wrong.

I don't know if the Nuggets will be better than us but if you look at that roster, it's perfect for D'Antoni.

They have a speedy PG to push the ball in transition (think Linsanity but better when MDA coached NYK) in Ty Lawson. They have a good athletic rebounder who can run the floor as well as anyone else in Faried. They have shooters in Chandler, Gallinarri both of whom played well under MDA when they played for the KNICKS.

Also a young rising big man in Nurkic to top it off and I think Nuggets are the best fit for MDA and vice versa.


Don't forget Gary Harris and a top 10 draft pick this off season with the ability to sign a max free agent.

Nurkic reportedly was a good pick and roll player in Europe. With D'Antoni's offense they could be a nightmare for a lot of teams. Nurkic could turn into a monster.

The Nuggets would get a coach with a plan and one that would have the players back.

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