Thibs Future With The Bulls

D_GoLow · Post #1 » by **D_GoLow** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:48 pm

What is the status of Thibs' contract with the Bulls?

I've been hearing people on hear write that Thibs is done after this season & that Freddy Hoiberg is the clear cut replacement.

Can someone please elaborate more on this?

Thanks

Hangtime84 · Post #2 » by **Hangtime84** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:54 pm

D_GoLow wrote:What is the status of Thibs' contract with the Bulls?

I've been hearing people on hear write that Thibs is done after this season & that Freddy Hoiberg is the clear cut replacement.

Can someone please elaborate more on this?

Thanks

Fans like to make up stuff. Freddy comes up because he coaches at the same school pjax used too

Red Larrivee · Post #3 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:18 pm

He has 2 years left on his deal. Based on all the smoke, it's probably extremely unlikely he coaches it out.

Chi town · Post #4 » by **Chi town** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:42 pm

Fridell said this morning that from what he hears he think Thibs and Bulls will part ways this summer. I see that happening too. Prob goes to LAL. Which is fine. We can get at least a decent 1st for him.

As for Hoiberg, he played and coaches at Iowa State where Gar has roots. He is an up and coming NBA candidate because he has already served in the FO of the TWolves ala Kerr in PHO. IMO Fred would be an ideal candidate to move fwd w the new core.

It will be sad to see Thibs go as he is the perfect coach for this team and roster with a healthy rose. Tough love will make the youngsters better in the long term and it has. Thibs will rebuild in LA and get some big FA's to sign.

Post #5 » by **coldfish** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:51 pm

Chi town wrote:Fridell said this morning that from what he hears he think Thibs and Bulls will part ways this summer. I see that happening too. Prob goes to LAL. Which is fine. We can get at least a decent 1st for him.

As for Hoiberg, he played and coaches at Iowa State where Gar has roots. He is an up and coming NBA candidate because he has already served in the FO of the TWolves ala Kerr in PHO. IMO Fred would be an ideal candidate to move fwd w the new core.

It will be sad to see Thibs go as he is the perfect coach for this team and roster with a healthy rose. Tough love will make the youngsters better in the long term and it has. Thibs will rebuild in LA and get some big FA's to sign.

I think people need to forget about getting a draft pick. The reason why Boston got it is because they wanted Doc to stay. If the Bulls want Thibs gone, they will be looking to minimize a buyout not look for a draft pick.

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I don't know what the fascination is with Hoiberg. Other than being friends with the front office, is there something that qualifies him more than the hundreds, if not thousands of other people out there? IMO, the Bulls need to hire a guy with at least NBA assistant experience and some concept of NBA schemes. Hoiberg hasn't had direct contact with the NBA since the league wide shift to zone overloads started.

HoopsterJones · Post #6 » by **HoopsterJones** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:56 pm

I'm not in the camp of letting Thibs go unless the compensation for trading him is overwhelming.

There are few upper echelon type coaches in the league. Thibs is arguably top 4 or 5 considering the rash of injuries the Bulls have had.

Under Thibs the Bulls had:

1. League's best record twice.
2. Four different all stars, and the first since Jordan.
3. Youngest MVP ever in Rose.
4. Joakim became DPOY and 1st Team NBA.
5. Development of late round picks in Butler, Gibson, and possibly Snell.
6. ECF appearance in his first season.
7. Over 65% win percentage despite Derrick missing essentially 2 full seasons.

There's no guarantee the Bulls will find a good coach. I've watched enough Floyd, Cartwright, Skiles, Boylan, Del Negro to know that there needs to be a good coach In order for the Bulls to succeed.

Injuries are unfortunate. If it weren't for the Rose injuries and others, the Bulls should have been a perennial contender. Thibs is a big reason for it.

riprose · Post #7 » by **riprose** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:59 pm

Hoiberg? Please no. College BB is a different sport.

bullsRlife · Post #8 » by **bullsRlife** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:00 pm

Soon as Thibs leaves, we're done. Can't sugar coat it.

Mech Engineer · Post #9 » by **Mech Engineer** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:01 pm

I don't think Thibs is gone. This injury actually helps Thibs. The franchise might finally move on from building around Joakim and Derrick as the core. The friction between Gar and Thibs is primarily because of these two guys.

They might just work better with each other knowing championship might not be be-all/end-all goal and not having to worry about the durability of the core.

Hoiberg is not happening. It is a crappy rumor and I hope the media doesn't give it any legs. Even if GarPax and Thibs part with each other, they are hiring another assistant/in-the-league kind of guy. There is probably an young/smart assistant in Memphis/Dallas/Portland etc... who knows the league and is probably a better fit.

micromonkey · Post #10 » by **micromonkey** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:10 pm

Hopefully we keep him but it seems they have other plans.
Probably get Floyd 2.0 they have a man crush on and I want no part of it.
Outside a guy who was with the Spurs I want no one--and I think all the best Spurs guys are gone at this point.

vvgotgame19 · Post #11 » by **vvgotgame19** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:10 pm

Fridell & Steven A. Smith are both reporting that GarPax want Thibs gone, but don't want to fire him, and were counting on a deep run in the playoffs. Both said this could possibly open the door to get him out of here.

Personally, this pisses me off because Thibs has been a terrific coach here. Thibs is just as responsible for the turnaround of this franchise as Rose was.

Post #12 » by **coldfish** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:10 pm

Mech Engineer wrote:I don't think Thibs is gone. This injury actually helps Thibs. The franchise might finally move on from building around Joakim and Derrick as the core. The friction between Gar and Thibs is primarily because of these two guys.

They might just work better with each other knowing championship might not be be-all/end-all goal and not having to worry about the durability of the core.

Hoiberg is not happening. It is a crappy rumor and I hope the media doesn't give it any legs. Even if GarPax and Thibs part with each other, they are hiring another assistant/in-the-league kind of guy. There is probably an young/smart assistant in Memphis/Dallas/Portland etc... who knows the league and is probably a better fit.

As far as the health stuff, the team has now been under the strict guidance of the FO through Jen for two years now. It hasn't worked. Minutes limitations. Practices off. Games off. Etc. They tried it all and despite that, the Bulls continue to be a pretty injury plagued team, particularly with these older and/or injury prone players.

A lot of people won't like this but its pretty good evidence that it wasn't Thibs causing the injuries in the first place.

I kind of doubt that the FO sees it that way. They seem to want him gone and I suspect they will get their wish this offseason.

Bandit King · Post #13 » by **Bandit King** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:11 pm

They will part ways probably after this year.

lostonbase · Post #14 » by **lostonbase** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:14 pm

I would embrace Thibs and build around him. The man should of have a career in Chicago like Sloan did in Utah. With out Rose, we are going to need Tom's ability to get the most out of any point guard not named Kurt.

Mech Engineer · Post #15 » by **Mech Engineer** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:17 pm

coldfish wrote:
Mech Engineer wrote:I don't think Thibs is gone. This injury actually helps Thibs. The franchise might finally move on from building around Joakim and Derrick as the core. The friction between Gar and Thibs is primarily because of these two guys.

They might just work better with each other knowing championship might not be be-all/end-all goal and not having to worry about the durability of the core.

Hoiberg is not happening. It is a crappy rumor and I hope the media doesn't give it any legs. Even if GarPax and Thibs part with each other, they are hiring another assistant/in-the-league kind of guy. There is probably an young/smart assistant in Memphis/Dallas/Portland etc... who knows the league and is probably a better fit.

As far as the health stuff, the team has now been under the strict guidance of the FO through Jen for two years now. It hasn't worked. Minutes limitations. Practices off. Games off. Etc. They tried it all and despite that, the Bulls continue to be a pretty injury plagued team, particularly with these older and/or injury prone players.

A lot of people won't like this but its pretty good evidence that it wasn't Thibs causing the injuries in the first place.

I kind of doubt that the FO sees it that way. They seem to want him gone and I suspect they will get their wish this offseason.

I think if you really look at what is going on...fights, injuries etc... it is all about Derrick/Joakim. If you remove those two from the discussion, I think most core/star type NBA players are not injury prone and GarPax/Thibs probably can get along for how to develop the young guys or use the other vets.

transplant · Post #16 » by **transplant** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:29 pm

I think the Bulls needed to at least win the East for Thibodeau to remain through next season. That's not going to happen, so I think that besides looking at the end of the Rose-centric era, we're also looking at the end of the Thibodeau era.

Post #17 » by **Payt10** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:31 pm

Hoiberg is going to be fantastic. You can book it. I cannot wait until he's the new coach! He runs NBA sets with his Iowa team and has sustained some level of success despite being in the same conference as Kansas.

MrSparkle · Post #18 » by **MrSparkle** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:54 pm

25% of me dislikes Thibs' stubbornness and lack of creativity or surprises in playoff games. If Thibs was a war general, he'd tell his men to jack up, grab their swords and charge the fortress with 150% intensity, regardless of whether the other side lifts their bridge moat or has laser weapons that incinerate any moving object.

On the other hand, while having many layers of complexity, basketball isn't rocket science either, so I appreciate that Thibs avoids a lot of abstract thinking and just gets straight to the point: play hard, play smart.

But then he excessively plays guys who don't make very smart basketball plays. I mean, I would've been very reluctant to give Kirk many chances after that Dallas Mavs game-tying 3P/Monta foul, yet we've seen plenty of his mug.

And again, the results have been good all things considered.

2010: Lebron/Bosh/Wade >>> Rose/Noah/Deng/Boozer

2011: After the ACL, everybody was shell-shocked and we had no size or athleticism to stop Jrue, Turner and Iguadala, who were all really driven to beat a weakened Chicago.

2012: 2nd round with the "replacements"... all of us can agree it was still a feel-good season.

2013: Really brutal to watch, but it was also a really brutal roster to serve Thibs. Again, the Wizards figured out our weaknesses, Noah's injuries flared up, and we got schooled. Still, would've been nice to see Snell or Fredette get a chance instead of Kirk Hinrich... which is, I guess, we're the issue starts with Thibs.

He doesn't like trying new things, and he's clearly a stubborn dude.

But no denying he's responsible for improving this team ten-fold and getting A LOT of players to play career-ball.. 75% of me thinks that we're in trouble if Thibs gets fired. I imagine we're looking at 2-3 year mediocrity.

Chicago Brawls · Post #19 » by **Chicago Brawls** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:06 pm

Third longest tenured coach in Bulls history, second highest winning percentage.

In the last 17 years the Bulls have been at best mediocre without both Rose and Thibodeau.

AirP. · Post #20 » by **AirP.** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:20 pm

MrSparkle wrote:2013: Really brutal to watch, but it was also a really brutal roster to serve Thibs. Again, the Wizards figured out our weaknesses, Noah's injuries flared up, and we got schooled. Still, would've been nice to see Snell or Fredette get a chance instead of Kirk Hinrich... which is, I guess, we're the issue starts with Thibs.

He doesn't like trying new things, and he's clearly a stubborn dude.

But no denying he's responsible for improving this team ten-fold and getting A LOT of players to play career-ball.. 75% of me thinks that we're in trouble if Thibs gets fired. I imagine we're looking at 2-3 year mediocrity.

I do wonder what would have happened if Chicago would have kept Deng. The Bulls were having to adjust to life without Rose, there was a huge losing streak, DJ was brought in and right before Deng was traded the Bulls started to play better winning the last 5 of 7 games. Chicago got outplayed in the playoffs losing 4 games to 1, but one of those games was an overtime loss, which could have went either way meaning possibly 3-2. It's quite possible having another quality player in Deng may have made a difference in that first round, maybe not but it couldn't of hurt. I just tend to believe the FO screwed Thibs last year by giving away a key player to his system.