Official Trade Thread: Kind of a Drag...ic

[letsgosuns]

Maybe its getting to his head... http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-goran-dragic-i-feel-spoiled-shots-fired-phoenix-suns-take-care-of-players-022515

I guess signing his brother for millions of dollars when they did not need him and admitting that they would have paid Goran a max contract is not taking caring of their players. Dragic needs to shut up. So does the Suns front office. This is getting really stupid. Both parties need to get over it.

[Revived]

And another take from everyone's favorite espn writer, Mr. Chad Ford, and how valuable that pick may be (fan writing in how they can't believe Hinkie got that pick for MCW)....

Two things. No one is sure exactly what Hinkie got for him. If he gets the pick this year (highly unlikely) and it's a pick at No. 6 -- I'd say he got good value. I like this draft and there are several interesting players there at 6 (but no point guards really). If he gets a pick between 4-8 in next year's draft -- we'll see. The high school class of 2016 is one of the weaker ones in the last decade. After Ben Simmons and Jaylen Brown (who should be picks 1-2 in some order) the talent level drops. If the Lakers improve over the summer and that pick falls in the 9 to 15 range, I say they got poor value for Carter-Williams. If it moves all the way to 2017, they probably got poor value as well as I'd be shocked if the Lakers were still awful by then given their proven ability to lure free agents. Second, I think it's impossible to totally judge Carter-Williams. He's played 1.5 seasons, was on an awful, awful team that asked him to be the primary scorer even though that's not his forte. He took a ton of bad shots in Philly, in part, because he had to. That will change in Milwaukee and until we see him for a full season with that roster under the tutelage of Jason Kidd, it's tough to know what he really could be. All in all, it's too early on both sides to judge this trade, but I think right now, I'd lean toward Milwaukee winning it. (And remember, Milwaukee could've just gotten that pick from the Suns straight up for Knight if they had wanted it ... they clearly judged MCW as more valuable).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51618/

I wouldn't take anything from Chad Fraud seriously, guy is an ass clown and a complete fraud

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[bwgood77]

Maybe its getting to his head... http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-goran-dragic-i-feel-spoiled-shots-fired-phoenix-suns-take-care-of-players-022515

It's cool they embrace him. Although many fans did here, the FO didn't really do so the past year. Good to see him happy. It's funny seeing people point out every little bad thing he does now though. Damn....I work with some girls like that....damn annoying.

It was cool to see the Heat come back...down by 8 with 37 seconds left tonight, to put it into OT, and Dragic to ice it with a couple of clutch free throws.

And no, I'm not a Heat fan, but I watch a bunch of games on ballstream, particularly if they are close.

[bwgood77]

And another take from everyone's favorite espn writer, Mr. Chad Ford, and how valuable that pick may be (fan writing in how they can't believe Hinkie got that pick for MCW)....

Two things. No one is sure exactly what Hinkie got for him. If he gets the pick this year (highly unlikely) and it's a pick at No. 6 -- I'd say he got good value. I like this draft and there are several interesting players there at 6 (but no point guards really). If he gets a pick between 4-8 in next year's draft -- we'll see. The high school class of 2016 is one of the weaker ones in the last decade. After Ben Simmons and Jaylen Brown (who should be picks 1-2 in some order) the talent level drops. If the Lakers improve over the summer and that pick falls in the 9 to 15 range, I say they got poor value for Carter-Williams. If it moves all the way to 2017, they probably got poor value as well as I'd be shocked if the Lakers were still awful by then given their proven ability to lure free agents. Second, I think it's impossible to totally judge Carter-Williams. He's played 1.5 seasons, was on an awful, awful team that asked him to be the primary scorer even though that's not his forte. He took a ton of bad shots in Philly, in part, because he had to. That will change in Milwaukee and until we see him for a full season with that roster under the tutelage of Jason Kidd, it's tough to know what he really could be. All in all, it's too early on both sides to judge this trade, but I think right now, I'd lean toward Milwaukee winning it. (And remember, Milwaukee could've just gotten that pick from the Suns straight up for Knight if they had wanted it ... they clearly judged MCW as more valuable).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51618/

I wouldn't take anything from Chad Fraud seriously, guy is an ass clown and a complete fraud

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Well his basic take was that even if it is a pick between 4 and 8 next year that won't be that good. I don't take it seriously, but he does get his info mostly from other front offices and scouts.

I feel he is mostly a fraud when talking about nba teams. He typically has a pretty good feel on how good drafts will be and what front offices overall think (but of course many may intentionally throw him off but averaging all his info out usually gives at least a decent picture of how the draft may play out). I only take him somewhat seriously with draft stuff, but also balance with other draft analysis on the other sites like DX.

[carey]

I wouldn't take anything from Chad Fraud seriously, guy is an ass clown and a complete fraud.

Forget who it's coming from for a second, the logic is sound. MCW was a former No. 10 pick & RoY. You traded him for an unknown, someone that could be better but you won't know for a while. At best he lands a stud. At worst a bust. Most likely? He just hit the reset button, drafts around the same spot in 2 years and gets a comparable player. I don't really see the sense in it unless you are thoroughly convinced MCW is already at his peak and can't develop a jump shot.

[collidingNeurons]

Both sides have their points and both sides should have kept their mouths shut and stayed out of the media with it, but Dragic is gone and now no longer our issue, The Phoenix Front office is still here and other more relevant people than those of us on this board heard and had opinions on the way the front office conducted that press conference, you can bet on that as a fact. They would have looked better if they had just not even addressed the whole Dragic issue, if they couldn't handle it with some level of professionalism

[collidingNeurons]

And this whole we were planning on pursuing Knight in the off season rhetoric now floating around, I call BS on that, first of all, up til Dragic claimed he didn't want to be here the front office was still saying they had plans of bringing him back, so even if they traded Thomas at that point , now you are going to have 3 point/combo guards on the team making 12-15 mil a year to maintain this self admitted unbalanced roster but now just at a higher price tag. Maybe they had plans to also trade Bledsoe that they just resigned and if that was the idea to accommodate pursuing Knight, how do you think Bledsoe feels after reading those comments, It's all just more smoke screen, trying to convince us they had a plan to make themselves look better crap. They need to just shut up

[mikefly3113]

I honestly think we did well with the moves we made. First off the lakers are going to continue to lose badly and there is no way the league isn't going to give them a top 3 pick. Yes we couldve gotten it in 2016 but with a healthy Kobe, Julius Randle, and a top 3 pick this year as well as potential free agent signings the lakers will be much better next year. Does anybody remember Joe Johnson?!?!?! I can already see the same thing happening, we think were gonna draft Al Horford... oh wait hawks get lucky and get the 3rd pick drafting horford. Hawks make the playoffs and that HIGHLY coveted pick turns into number 15 overall the following year and we draft Robin BLOPEZ. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. When you have the ability to get an asset you take it. We got a 'should be allstar' for a pick that we most likely won't receive this year.

Thomas trade to Boston was a win for me too. Front office admits they made a mistake and we don't need him. Shed is contract for an expiring player and a first round pick. You're not gonna do any better than that for Thomas.

Wish we could've gotten more for Dragic but its probably a little difficult when the guy forces your hand two days before the deadline. Expiring contracts and two firsts, don't think we couldve done any better considering the circumstances. Also since some people love to play hypotheticals and think we would of drafted a HOF with that lakers pick lets look at that 2021 unprotected pick. Light years away? sure, but who the hell knows what the heat will look like then. They may have the worst record in the league and we get there pick. Crazy you say? so is also thinking we'll draft an all star with the 7th overall pick this year or next....

We kept all of our young talent while adding a good player in Knight, have added two more future 1st rounders, and created enough money to have the option to offer max money to a player. I feel like we are in a much better situation now then when the season started.

[letsgosuns]

I honestly think we did well with the moves we made. First off the lakers are going to continue to lose badly and there is no way the league isn't going to give them a top 3 pick. Yes we couldve gotten it in 2016 but with a healthy Kobe, Julius Randle, and a top 3 pick this year as well as potential free agent signings the lakers will be much better next year. Does anybody remember Joe Johnson?!?!?! I can already see the same thing happening, we think were gonna draft Al Horford... oh wait hawks get lucky and get the 3rd pick drafting horford. Hawks make the playoffs and that HIGHLY coveted pick turns into number 15 overall the following year and we draft Robin BLOPEZ. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. When you have the ability to get an asset you take it. We got a 'should be allstar' for a pick that we most likely won't receive this year.

Thomas trade to Boston was a win for me too. Front office admits they made a mistake and we don't need him. Shed is contract for an expiring player and a first round pick. You're not gonna do any better than that for Thomas.

Wish we could've gotten more for Dragic but its probably a little difficult when the guy forces your hand two days before the deadline. Expiring contracts and two firsts, don't think we couldve done any better considering the circumstances. Also since some people love to play hypotheticals and think we would of drafted a HOF with that lakers pick lets look at that 2021 unprotected pick. Light years away? sure, but who the hell knows what the heat will look like then. They may have the worst record in the league and we get there pick. Crazy you say? so is also thinking we'll draft an all star with the 7th overall pick this year or next....

We kept all of our young talent while adding a good player in Knight, have added two more future 1st rounders, and created enough money to have the option to offer max money to a player. I feel like we are in a much better situation now then when the season started.

I agree 100%.

[AtheJ415]

I honestly think we did well with the moves we made. First off the lakers are going to continue to lose badly and there is no way the league isn't going to give them a top 3 pick. Yes we couldve gotten it in 2016 but with a healthy Kobe, Julius Randle, and a top 3 pick this year as well as potential free agent signings the lakers will be much better next year. Does anybody remember Joe Johnson?!?!?! I can already see the same thing happening, we think were gonna draft Al Horford... oh wait hawks get lucky and get the 3rd pick drafting horford. Hawks make the playoffs and that HIGHLY coveted pick turns into number 15 overall the following year and we draft Robin BLOPEZ. I DO NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. When you have the ability to get an asset you take it. We got a 'should be allstar' for a pick that we most likely won't receive this year.

Thomas trade to Boston was a win for me too. Front office admits they made a mistake and we don't need him. Shed is contract for an expiring player and a first round pick. You're not gonna do any better than that for Thomas.

Wish we could've gotten more for Dragic but its probably a little difficult when the guy forces your hand two days before the deadline. Expiring contracts and two firsts, don't think we couldve done any better considering the circumstances. Also since some people love to play hypotheticals and think we would of drafted a HOF with that lakers pick lets look at that 2021 unprotected pick. Light years away? sure, but who the hell knows what the heat will look like then. They may have the worst record in the league and we get there pick. Crazy you say? so is also thinking we'll draft an all star with the 7th overall pick this year or next....

We kept all of our young talent while adding a good player in Knight, have added two more future 1st rounders, and created enough money to have the option to offer max money to a player. I feel like we are in a much better situation now then when the season started.

I agree 100%.

Me too. I feel like many fans are being overly negative simply because we're not contenders YET and we probably won't make the playoffs this season. Our young core is as good as almost anyone's, and we have the picks and cap space, as well as tradeable contracts, to continue to improve upon that. Particularly with the cap going up, this offseason is a real opportunity to add another piece in the same age range as our core, who will be ready to contend in 2-3 years imo.

What we've done the past 2 offseasons has been phenomenal overall. Even adding IT got us another 1st, and while some claim Dragic would still be here if not for him, we got 2 firsts for Dragic (we lost him for far more than nothing) and added Knight who is 6 years younger. That's a win in the long-run. Every time.

[phrazbit]

And another take from everyone's favorite espn writer, Mr. Chad Ford, and how valuable that pick may be (fan writing in how they can't believe Hinkie got that pick for MCW)....

Two things. No one is sure exactly what Hinkie got for him. If he gets the pick this year (highly unlikely) and it's a pick at No. 6 -- I'd say he got good value. I like this draft and there are several interesting players there at 6 (but no point guards really). If he gets a pick between 4-8 in next year's draft -- we'll see. The high school class of 2016 is one of the weaker ones in the last decade. After Ben Simmons and Jaylen Brown (who should be picks 1-2 in some order) the talent level drops. If the Lakers improve over the summer and that pick falls in the 9 to 15 range, I say they got poor value for Carter-Williams. If it moves all the way to 2017, they probably got poor value as well as I'd be shocked if the Lakers were still awful by then given their proven ability to lure free agents. Second, I think it's impossible to totally judge Carter-Williams. He's played 1.5 seasons, was on an awful, awful team that asked him to be the primary scorer even though that's not his forte. He took a ton of bad shots in Philly, in part, because he had to. That will change in Milwaukee and until we see him for a full season with that roster under the tutelage of Jason Kidd, it's tough to know what he really could be. All in all, it's too early on both sides to judge this trade, but I think right now, I'd lean toward Milwaukee winning it. (And remember, Milwaukee could've just gotten that pick from the Suns straight up for Knight if they had wanted it ... they clearly judged MCW as more valuable).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/51618/

I wouldn't take anything from Chad Fraud seriously, guy is an ass clown and a complete fraud

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Chad Ford... a fraud. The random dopes who's twitter feeds you link? Prophets.

[MrMiyagi]

I wouldn't take anything from Chad Fraud seriously, guy is an ass clown and a complete fraud

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Chad Ford... a fraud. The random dopes who's twitter feeds you link? Prophets.

Never doubt the Twittersphere.

[BoardCrusher]

wow just wow, some of you people here.
So Dragic left the suns, but many of you still cant get over it and are using everything you can to bash the player, despite most of it being your presumptions or even your imagination.
Yeah the Suns signed Zoran, for 1,5 mil, and half of that was payed by Zoran himself, yet still theres individuals that scream "Goran, we brought your brother and signed him for MILLIONS!
Do I need to mention the Pacers were offering the same contract to him? Hopefully it wont burst your bubble.

And the ones being offended, by the way he parted with the Suns 48h before the deadline.
Put yourselves in the position.
You have expressed your unsatisfactory to the FO multiple times during the year, only to fall on death ears. So you keep waiting for them to make a move and make you feel more comfortable. December comes, still nothing happens, IT still not being traded, and your being forced out of your position more with each game, frustration mounts.
February comes, you again express your concerns to FO and Sarver, still noone reacts.
All star break almost over, 48h left till the deadline, it is obvious no trade will be made again.
He comes out and complains to the media about losing trust in the FO, it takes a hypocrite to put a blame on him at this moment.
Could he had handled the situation more professionally, no doubt, imo it just shows the frustrations were very high.

Too bad really, I always saw him as a Sun kid, considering the club raised him in the NBA.
After his return from Houston, he shouldev been the one to build the team around him, but obviously it was never a part of Sarver/McD plan.

But like McD said, Suns got the best player in the trade, in or out, meaning they will be better off now when the toxic Dragic brothers are gone, thank god for that.

[RunDogGun]

Maybe its getting to his head... http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-goran-dragic-i-feel-spoiled-shots-fired-phoenix-suns-take-care-of-players-022515

It's cool they embrace him. Although many fans did here, the FO didn't really do so the past year. Good to see him happy. It's funny seeing people point out every little bad thing he does now though. Damn....I work with some girls like that....damn annoying.

It was cool to see the Heat come back...down by 8 with 37 seconds left tonight, to put it into OT, and Dragic to ice it with a couple of clutch free throws.

And no, I'm not a Heat fan, but I watch a bunch of games on ballstream, particularly if they are close.

For me it doesn't matter whether I like the Heat or not. Because we own their pick, I just hope they are bad enough to get the best pick possible. Hoping that in the process, the bulk of their wins are against our conference foes.

[jcsunsfan]

Yeah Foot... read it after I posted. I understand point #3 completely. Its a leverage play and likely a play that will be needed with the perceived (assumed) reaction from the players towards FO.

Have any thoughts about how Knight feels about that after watching the Bledsoe negotiations last yr ?

And what did the Suns do in those negotiations besides sit by the phone and over pay in the end? The facts of those negotiations are still the same. Bledsoe wanted a max extension or free agency. The Suns let him become a restricted free agent, but said they would match any offer (which any smart team will do). Bledsoe and his agent froze the team out and waited until the last few days to try to get a better offer. They didn't. So they signed with the Suns for a deal that was significantly above any offer he could have gotten, but less than max.

That is just business as usual in the NBA.

[jcsunsfan]

Maybe its getting to his head... http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-goran-dragic-i-feel-spoiled-shots-fired-phoenix-suns-take-care-of-players-022515

I guess signing his brother for millions of dollars when they did not need him and admitting that they would have paid Goran a max contract is not taking caring of their players. Dragic needs to shut up. So does the Suns front office. This is getting really stupid. Both parties need to get over it.

Of course they are going to spoil him. They gave up two firsts for him and he could walk this summer. They are probably sending him two girls a night and three on the weekends.

[jcsunsfan]

wow just wow, some of you people here.
So Dragic left the suns, but many of you still cant get over it and are using everything you can to bash the player, despite most of it being your presumptions or even your imagination.
Yeah the Suns signed Zoran, for 1,5 mil, and half of that was payed by Zoran himself, yet still theres individuals that scream "Goran, we brought your brother and signed him for MILLIONS!
Do I need to mention the Pacers were offering the same contract to him? Hopefully it wont burst your bubble.

And the ones being offended, by the way he parted with the Suns 48h before the deadline.
Put yourselves in the position.
You have expressed your unsatisfactory to the FO multiple times during the year, only to fall on death ears. So you keep waiting for them to make a move and make you feel more comfortable. December comes, still nothing happens, IT still not being traded, and your being forced out of your position more with each game, frustration mounts.
February comes, you again express your concerns to FO and Sarver, still noone reacts.
All star break almost over, 48h left till the deadline, it is obvious no trade will be made again.
He comes out and complains to the media about losing trust in the FO, it takes a hypocrite to put a blame on him at this moment.
Could he had handled the situation more professionally, no doubt, imo it just shows the frustrations were very high.

Too bad really, I always saw him as a Sun kid, considering the club raised him in the NBA.
After his return from Houston, he shouldev been the one to build the team around him, but obviously it was never a part of Sarver/McD plan.

But like McD said, Suns got the best player in the trade, in or out, meaning they will be better off now when the toxic Dragic brothers are gone, thank god for that.

50% chance this poster is Zoran himself.

[BoardCrusher]

wow just wow, some of you people here.
So Dragic left the suns, but many of you still cant get over it and are using everything you can to bash the player, despite most of it being your presumptions or even your imagination.
Yeah the Suns signed Zoran, for 1,5 mil, and half of that was payed by Zoran himself, yet still theres individuals that scream "Goran, we brought your brother and signed him for MILLIONS!
Do I need to mention the Pacers were offering the same contract to him? Hopefully it wont burst your bubble.

And the ones being offended, by the way he parted with the Suns 48h before the deadline.
Put yourselves in the position.
You have expressed your unsatisfactory to the FO multiple times during the year, only to fall on death ears. So you keep waiting for them to make a move and make you feel more comfortable. December comes, still nothing happens, IT still not being traded, and your being forced out of your position more with each game, frustration mounts.
February comes, you again express your concerns to FO and Sarver, still noone reacts.
All star break almost over, 48h left till the deadline, it is obvious no trade will be made again.
He comes out and complains to the media about losing trust in the FO, it takes a hypocrite to put a blame on him at this moment.
Could he had handled the situation more professionally, no doubt, imo it just shows the frustrations were very high.

Too bad really, I always saw him as a Sun kid, considering the club raised him in the NBA.
After his return from Houston, he shouldev been the one to build the team around him, but obviously it was never a part of Sarver/McD plan.

But like McD said, Suns got the best player in the trade, in or out, meaning they will be better off now when the toxic Dragic brothers are gone, thank god for that.

50% chance this poster is Zoran himself.

99% chance, your are 15 or under

[TeamTragic]

Maybe its getting to his head... http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/miami-heat-goran-dragic-i-feel-spoiled-shots-fired-phoenix-suns-take-care-of-players-022515

Are we going to keep doing this for the entire season? I have to admit that this is getting ridiculous. Enjoy your new team and see if Riley will pay you max Gogi

[In Len We Trust]

Gogi won't be happy long. Last night he was playing way off ball and wasn't even getting many passes