Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

[In Len We Trust]

Draymond Green is a billionaires PJ Tucker

[jcsunsfan]

If the Suns can just land Kevin Love/Paul Millsap over the offseason we are immediately a top 4 team in the West.

Love? No. Millsap? Maybe.

Millsap? YES. We're one Millsap away from being legit contenders, IMO.

Maybe. Markieff is a dilemma. As the ESPN highlights announcer said, he has probably over-achieved at this point. I am not sure if he has alot more upside. But he is good enough that it is tempting not to look for a starter at pf.

I think that would be a mistake.

[Revived]

Draymond Green is a billionaires PJ Tucker

Yea, that's why I love Green.

He's basically same as Tucker but a better defender and MUCH, MUCH higher basketball IQ despite being like 10 years younger. Only thing Tucker has over Green is 3pt shooting but Green is still young and hard worker so he'll probably improve in that in no time. Green is also the better rebounder and a lot more athetlic, Tucker can't even dream of doing something like this

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmpw7vZh3rs[/youtube]

[In Len We Trust]

Only thing Tucker has over Green is 3pt shooting but Green is still young and hard worker so he'll probably improve in that in no time.

Honestly, I don't even think that is true. Tucker has a kind of ugly shot and it is always too left or too right. Like 95% of his 3 point attempts are WIDE OPEN shots, usually from the short corner and he still can't knock them down. If Tucker could just shoot like 42% from 3, which isnt crazy considering the amount of wide open attempts, I feel like we would have way more wins.

[RunDogGun]

Dray Green... Dude fouls like crazy, and doesn't get called. Just another Bowen, where he lucks out on a good team, and is allowed to be over aggressive (usually blatant fouling), and people that don't play basketball, call it good defense. Then on the offensive end, he almost always is moving on his screens.

If he was on the Suns, he would foul out every game.

His three point shot is getting better, but honestly if he was called for everything he does bad, he wouldn't be on the court long enough to make an impact. He better hope he stays in GS, or goes to a team that the league allows his fouling. Probably the Spurs, or one of the other league darlings..

[Revived]

Dray Green... Dude fouls like crazy, and doesn't get called. Just another Bowen, where he lucks out on a good team, and is allowed to be over aggressive (usually blatant fouling), and people that don't play basketball, call it good defense. Then on the offensive end, he almost always is moving on his screens.

If he was on the Suns, he would foul out every game.

His three point shot is getting better, but honestly if he was called for everything he does bad, he wouldn't be on the court long enough to make an impact. He better hope he stays in GS, or goes to a team that the league allows his fouling. Probably the Spurs, or one of the other league darlings..

Lmao, yea apparently your the only other person on Earth that plays basketball because just about everyone else in the NBA or was in the NBA seems to think he's actually a very good defender.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Top 10 win share players from 2014 Season and their team seeding:

2,2,3,3,3,3,3,4,6,10

If you have a top 10 player, you are 80% chance of finishing top 4 in your conference.

Everyone wants those players, it's up to McDonough to deliver us that player within 3 years or it's unlikely he'll get another contract.

[HootieRules]

How many former players does the scumbag owner have to trash publically after they leave on bad terms before fans wake up and realize Phoenix is a toxic free agent destination? Draymond Green? Wes Matthews? Please. Welcome to the era of Michael Beasleys being the biggest haul of the summer until Sarver sells.

[RunDogGun]

Fans? Lmao! I haven't seen many fans of the Suns posting here.

[DirtyDez]

Dray Green... Dude fouls like crazy, and doesn't get called. Just another Bowen, where he lucks out on a good team, and is allowed to be over aggressive (usually blatant fouling), and people that don't play basketball, call it good defense. Then on the offensive end, he almost always is moving on his screens.

If he was on the Suns, he would foul out every game.

His three point shot is getting better, but honestly if he was called for everything he does bad, he wouldn't be on the court long enough to make an impact. He better hope he stays in GS, or goes to a team that the league allows his fouling. Probably the Spurs, or one of the other league darlings..

Do you know how ridiculous you're crazy conspiracies make you sound? You are painfully paranoid Rob Lowe.

[RunDogGun]

Dray Green... Dude fouls like crazy, and doesn't get called. Just another Bowen, where he lucks out on a good team, and is allowed to be over aggressive (usually blatant fouling), and people that don't play basketball, call it good defense. Then on the offensive end, he almost always is moving on his screens.

If he was on the Suns, he would foul out every game.

His three point shot is getting better, but honestly if he was called for everything he does bad, he wouldn't be on the court long enough to make an impact. He better hope he stays in GS, or goes to a team that the league allows his fouling. Probably the Spurs, or one of the other league darlings..

Do you know how ridiculous you're crazy conspiracies make you sound? You are painfully paranoid Rob Lowe.

Guys foul often, and many think it's good defense. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. You watch the games, often refs allow the more aggressive team to be much more physical. Often guys that are known to be good defenders are given a bit more freedom to make more contact.

You either see it, or you don't. I'm not saying it only happens to the Suns.

Green almost always is moving in his screens. Noah is much more obvious with his cross checking elbow push, or Duncan's flat out shoves. It's all there in game footage. And since it's the same culprits, in almost every game they play, it isn't a jump in theory to think that those players are league darlings, or those teams are league darlings.

Bruce Bowen was one of the worst at it. He would just two hand grab guys. That isn't defense, it's a foul, in any league. Why can't I expect, in the supposed best league in the world, the game is called fairly? And when it's not, why can't I think something is a foot? Nash, was hand checked up and down the court in almost every game, even after he was two time MVP. I would love an explanation for it, do you have one?

Since Tucker has been known to be a good defender, I'm sure he gets a bit more leeway with refs, and some of his defense is really a foul. Raja, was the same way. Tim Doughney (spelling) pointed it out in his book. He used ref and league bias to make bets on games he wasn't even officiating.

Oddly enough though, my whole life people told me I looked like Rob Lowe. Very funny that you used him as a reference. Or maybe you know me, and what I look like, and you've been stalking me.....sorry that sounded paranoid, huh?

[kennydorglas]

Dray Green... Dude fouls like crazy, and doesn't get called. Just another Bowen, where he lucks out on a good team, and is allowed to be over aggressive (usually blatant fouling), and people that don't play basketball, call it good defense. Then on the offensive end, he almost always is moving on his screens.

If he was on the Suns, he would foul out every game.

His three point shot is getting better, but honestly if he was called for everything he does bad, he wouldn't be on the court long enough to make an impact. He better hope he stays in GS, or goes to a team that the league allows his fouling. Probably the Spurs, or one of the other league darlings..

Bingo.

[DirtyDez]

Dray Green... Dude fouls like crazy, and doesn't get called. Just another Bowen, where he lucks out on a good team, and is allowed to be over aggressive (usually blatant fouling), and people that don't play basketball, call it good defense. Then on the offensive end, he almost always is moving on his screens.

If he was on the Suns, he would foul out every game.

His three point shot is getting better, but honestly if he was called for everything he does bad, he wouldn't be on the court long enough to make an impact. He better hope he stays in GS, or goes to a team that the league allows his fouling. Probably the Spurs, or one of the other league darlings..

Do you know how ridiculous you're crazy conspiracies make you sound? You are painfully paranoid Rob Lowe.

Guys foul often, and many think it's good defense. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. You watch the games, often refs allow the more aggressive team to be much more physical. Often guys that are known to be good defenders are given a bit more freedom to make more contact.

You either see it, or you don't. I'm not saying it only happens to the Suns.

Green almost always is moving in his screens. Noah is much more obvious with his cross checking elbow push, or Duncan's flat out shoves. It's all there in game footage. And since it's the same culprits, in almost every game they play, it isn't a jump in theory to think that those players are league darlings, or those teams are league darlings.

Bruce Bowen was one of the worst at it. He would just two hand grab guys. That isn't defense, it's a foul, in any league. Why can't I expect, in the supposed best league in the world, the game is called fairly? And when it's not, why can't I think something is a foot? Nash, was hand checked up and down the court in almost every game, even after he was two time MVP. I would love an explanation for it, do you have one?

Since Tucker has been known to be a good defender, I'm sure he gets a bit more leeway with refs, and some of his defense is really a foul. Raja, was the same way. Tim Doughney (spelling) pointed it out in his book. He used ref and league bias to make bets on games he wasn't even officiating.

Oddly enough though, my whole life people told me I looked like Rob Lowe. Very funny that you used him as a reference. Or maybe you know me, and what I look like, and you've been stalking me.....sorry that sounded paranoid, huh?

I believe that you truly believe all that but every fan base thinks their team is unfairly officiated. GS is the best team in the league yet shoot less FT's than we do. Conspiracy?

[RunDogGun]

What does the amount of free throws have to do with fouls not called? They are allowed to do illegal screens all over the place, it isn't just Green doing it in that team. Bogut does them all day long. It frees up their shooters, which they have a bunch of them. However, the manner in which they free up those great shooters is against the rules of the NBA. I don't make up those rules, but they exist. Now it's up to the refs to call those illegal screens. I have no idea, why certain players are allowed to consistently do them.

But if you don't believe me, rewatch the Bulls game, and watch Noah, he sticks his legs out, butt out, and full on shoves guys on those screens. How many offensive fouls does he get called for? In that game, I think only one illegal screen was called, and it was on Len.

In the Minny game, there was contact let go for both teams, but near the end of that game, we were mugged on a few plays, and within those muggings they called a touch foul on Green, when he was on Martin. If the refs are going to let the contact go, fine, but they can't let all that contact go, and then call that bs touch foul on only one team. Pek literally punch two of our players in that game as well. Diene was shoving guys all over the place. It was funny, I was at that game, and the crowd was booing a call, where Morris ran into a player on the rebound, and they called the foul on Minny. But when they showed the replay, you can clearly see Dieng shove Morris, which made him run into the Minny player. Even after the replay the crowd still didn't understand why the foul was called on them.

I'm sure all fan bases think their team gets the short end of the stick on fouls, but this season, we draw contact on almost every drive, and we rarely get to the line. It doesn't matter if we double the other team in points in the paint, it doesn't matter if we are the home team, we constantly shoot less free throws than the other team. Often the differential in free throws is greater that the margin in which we lose.

Other examples, which have been happening a few times since the Minny game: Bledsoe gets hit while driving. Initially the call is not made, but Bledsoe feels the strong contact, and just throws the ball towards the basket. Because he is bumped so hard, he rarely comes close to the hoop on the attempt. It isn't until after the ball hits the ground, that the foul is called. I've counted three of those since including the Minny game. One just happened in the OKC game. So please explain why the call comes so late? The other team is pissed that the call is so late. The Minny fans were pissed. I'm not imagining these calls, they happen.

Going back to Spurs/Suns series, even Jon Barry, points out seven different plays where the Suns were robbed in no calls. Oddly, I didn't see him commentating games for a bit after that, and when he did, he didn't comment on non calls. Could be a total coincidence? Sure it could. But often it cost us games, and this season the foul differentials have cost us at least ten games. Now you don't think its a big deal? Cool, that is your opinion. My opinion is that ten games is a big deal. This season we shoot a significantly less free throws than our opponent. Do we really foul more than other teams? Us the contact we draw, just our players defying physics? And while in air pulling a Pau or Ginobli head jerk, but with our bodies? I'm just not buying it.

So call me crazy, it doesn't bother me, I just want a fair game called. Heavy contact on one end should not be met with touch fouls on the other. There should not be star treatment at all in this league. Fouls are fouls.

[Revived]

Do you know how ridiculous you're crazy conspiracies make you sound? You are painfully paranoid Rob Lowe.

Guys foul often, and many think it's good defense. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy. You watch the games, often refs allow the more aggressive team to be much more physical. Often guys that are known to be good defenders are given a bit more freedom to make more contact.

You either see it, or you don't. I'm not saying it only happens to the Suns.

Green almost always is moving in his screens. Noah is much more obvious with his cross checking elbow push, or Duncan's flat out shoves. It's all there in game footage. And since it's the same culprits, in almost every game they play, it isn't a jump in theory to think that those players are league darlings, or those teams are league darlings.

Bruce Bowen was one of the worst at it. He would just two hand grab guys. That isn't defense, it's a foul, in any league. Why can't I expect, in the supposed best league in the world, the game is called fairly? And when it's not, why can't I think something is a foot? Nash, was hand checked up and down the court in almost every game, even after he was two time MVP. I would love an explanation for it, do you have one?

Since Tucker has been known to be a good defender, I'm sure he gets a bit more leeway with refs, and some of his defense is really a foul. Raja, was the same way. Tim Doughney (spelling) pointed it out in his book. He used ref and league bias to make bets on games he wasn't even officiating.

Oddly enough though, my whole life people told me I looked like Rob Lowe. Very funny that you used him as a reference. Or maybe you know me, and what I look like, and you've been stalking me.....sorry that sounded paranoid, huh?

I believe that you truly believe all that but every fan base thinks their team is unfairly officiated. GS is the best team in the league yet shoot less FT's than we do. Conspiracy?

In every single game in the last 3 seasons, he thinks whatever team the Suns play gets more favorable calls than the Suns.

He even said it once that the commissioner hates the Suns and purposely goes out of his way to tell the refs to screw them.

And also, every good team in the NBA fouls and wouldn't be able to get away with the amount of fouling if they were on the Suns. Only if it's on other 29 teams in the league.

[RunDogGun]

Dez, I've pointed out clear examples.

In one of my brother's songs that he wrote he states, "Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is an enemy action."

I'm not the only one that points out these issues. In every game thread there are tons of posters pointing out phantom calls on us, while strong contact that we draw isn't called. Even Kerrsed pointed out at least three bs calls in one game thread, and he isn't a poster I would call a conspiracy theorist.

If you don't see it, then that's you. I see it, and lately, it happens too often, and has been the difference in many games. I don't know why players are allowed to foul, and not get called for it, and I'm sure Tucker gets away with some because he is seen as a tough defender. But overall, we have gotten the shaft from refs this season. Is it because we lack stars? But Nash didn't get MVP treatment while here. KJ didn't either, and he drew more contact than even Bledsoe does.

Again, I just want the game called fairly on both ends of the court. A foul is a foul, it shouldn't matter the name on the jersey front or back.

I saw that SF commented after me, probably trying to slam me with something he thought he read from me. Sure seems like he loves me or something, with how much he talks about me. Glad his post don't show up until someone quotes him.

[kennydorglas]

What does the amount of free throws have to do with fouls not called? They are allowed to do illegal screens all over the place, it isn't just Green doing it in that team. Bogut does them all day long. It frees up their shooters, which they have a bunch of them. However, the manner in which they free up those great shooters is against the rules of the NBA. I don't make up those rules, but they exist. Now it's up to the refs to call those illegal screens. I have no idea, why certain players are allowed to consistently do them.

But if you don't believe me, rewatch the Bulls game, and watch Noah, he sticks his legs out, butt out, and full on shoves guys on those screens. How many offensive fouls does he get called for? In that game, I think only one illegal screen was called, and it was on Len.

In the Minny game, there was contact let go for both teams, but near the end of that game, we were mugged on a few plays, and within those muggings they called a touch foul on Green, when he was on Martin. If the refs are going to let the contact go, fine, but they can't let all that contact go, and then call that bs touch foul on only one team. Pek literally punch two of our players in that game as well. Diene was shoving guys all over the place. It was funny, I was at that game, and the crowd was booing a call, where Morris ran into a player on the rebound, and they called the foul on Minny. But when they showed the replay, you can clearly see Dieng shove Morris, which made him run into the Minny player. Even after the replay the crowd still didn't understand why the foul was called on them.

I'm sure all fan bases think their team gets the short end of the stick on fouls, but this season, we draw contact on almost every drive, and we rarely get to the line. It doesn't matter if we double the other team in points in the paint, it doesn't matter if we are the home team, we constantly shoot less free throws than the other team. Often the differential in free throws is greater that the margin in which we lose.

Other examples, which have been happening a few times since the Minny game: Bledsoe gets hit while driving. Initially the call is not made, but Bledsoe feels the strong contact, and just throws the ball towards the basket. Because he is bumped so hard, he rarely comes close to the hoop on the attempt. It isn't until after the ball hits the ground, that the foul is called. I've counted three of those since including the Minny game. One just happened in the OKC game. So please explain why the call comes so late? The other team is pissed that the call is so late. The Minny fans were pissed. I'm not imagining these calls, they happen.

Going back to Spurs/Suns series, even Jon Barry, points out seven different plays where the Suns were robbed in no calls. Oddly, I didn't see him commentating games for a bit after that, and when he did, he didn't comment on non calls. Could be a total coincidence? Sure it could. But often it cost us games, and this season the foul differentials have cost us at least ten games. Now you don't think its a big deal? Cool, that is your opinion. My opinion is that ten games is a big deal. This season we shoot a significantly less free throws than our opponent. Do we really foul more than other teams? Us the contact we draw, just our players defying physics? And while in air pulling a Pau or Ginobli head jerk, but with our bodies? I'm just not buying it.

So call me crazy, it doesn't bother me, I just want a fair game called. Heavy contact on one end should not be met with touch fouls on the other. There should not be star treatment at all in this league. Fouls are fouls.

You're not crazy. People just dont GAFabout this subject.
And probably dont know the rules really well to figure it out on the fly.

I'm paying a lot more attention on how one team is allowed to play dirty and the other one isnt.
This is a really flawed system. And like I said, nobody cares about it.

[RunDogGun]

I care, and moreso this year, because it has cost us multiple games. In the past I just accepted that we had a more finess team than brut team, and we usually could outshoot the other team, so free throws didn't really have the same effect that. But now, it's bad, and getting worse, and it isn't like we don't have guys that draw contact on their drives. Goran, IT, and Bledsie would draw contact on almost every drive. Yet only IT would consistently get to the line. Is it because he is a littl guy? Who knows? But now he is gone, and we have even less guys getting to the line.

That touch foul on Martin the other night sticks with me. We were just getting back into that game. The Bulls game, same thing. We drew a ton of contact the play before the half, and nothing. That Noah cross check screen that freed up an open shot, and the last play of the third, where Bledsoe went after the missed shot, and Noah grabs him so he he couldn't get the basket. That's four free throws right there, and we only shot eight for the whole game. Eight free throws!!!

[DirtyDez]

Dez, I've pointed out clear examples.

In one of my brother's songs that he wrote he states, "Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is an enemy action."

I'm not the only one that points out these issues. In every game thread there are tons of posters pointing out phantom calls on us, while strong contact that we draw isn't called. Even Kerrsed pointed out at least three bs calls in one game thread, and he isn't a poster I would call a conspiracy theorist.

If you don't see it, then that's you. I see it, and lately, it happens too often, and has been the difference in many games. I don't know why players are allowed to foul, and not get called for it, and I'm sure Tucker gets away with some because he is seen as a tough defender. But overall, we have gotten the shaft from refs this season. Is it because we lack stars? But Nash didn't get MVP treatment while here. KJ didn't either, and he drew more contact than even Bledsoe does.

Again, I just want the game called fairly on both ends of the court. A foul is a foul, it shouldn't matter the name on the jersey front or back.

I saw that SF commented after me, probably trying to slam me with something he thought he read from me. Sure seems like he loves me or something, with how much he talks about me. Glad his post don't show up until someone quotes him.

We can agree to disagree. I see poor officiating all the time on every team in the league. I don't believe referees game plan against the Phoenix Suns because they hate purple and orange or despise the city or Steve Nash's hair.

What is the pay off for refs to hate the Suns? Silver giving them bonus' for every missed/made call?

[RunDogGun]

Dez, I've pointed out clear examples.

In one of my brother's songs that he wrote he states, "Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is an enemy action."

I'm not the only one that points out these issues. In every game thread there are tons of posters pointing out phantom calls on us, while strong contact that we draw isn't called. Even Kerrsed pointed out at least three bs calls in one game thread, and he isn't a poster I would call a conspiracy theorist.

If you don't see it, then that's you. I see it, and lately, it happens too often, and has been the difference in many games. I don't know why players are allowed to foul, and not get called for it, and I'm sure Tucker gets away with some because he is seen as a tough defender. But overall, we have gotten the shaft from refs this season. Is it because we lack stars? But Nash didn't get MVP treatment while here. KJ didn't either, and he drew more contact than even Bledsoe does.

Again, I just want the game called fairly on both ends of the court. A foul is a foul, it shouldn't matter the name on the jersey front or back.

I saw that SF commented after me, probably trying to slam me with something he thought he read from me. Sure seems like he loves me or something, with how much he talks about me. Glad his post don't show up until someone quotes him.

We can agree to disagree. I see poor officiating all the time on every team in the league. I don't believe referees game plan against the Phoenix Suns because they hate purple and orange or despise the city or Steve Nash's hair.

What is the pay off for refs to hate the Suns? Silver giving them bonus' for every missed/made call?

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, but get one thing straight, I NEVER said the refs hate the Suns, nor did I ever give a reason, because I don't know why we don't get calls, where we clearly draw contact, or why we get touch fouls on the other end, right after we get mugged. I just pointed out that it is happening, and that it has cost us games.

So let's be clear, you made a huge assumption that I think the league hates us, because I never said it. I said that some teams and players clearly get preferential treatment, and that is bull sh*t. The league is becoming the WWF.