Official Trade Thread: Kind of a Drag...ic

[letsgosuns]

Dragic is destroying the Pelicans single handedly, my God.

Dragic trying to hell the Suns playoffs hopes by beating Pelicans lol.

Dragic had 14 points and 3 assists in the first half tonight. He had 6 points and 2 assists in the second half. Same type of stuff he did throughout this year on the Suns where he disappeared in the second half. He was also outplayed by Tyreke Evans and Eric Gordon. I watched the game. He looks nothing like he did last year. Last year he could completely take over a game and dominate. I do not know what has happened to him. I remember how he would routinely beat his man off the dribble and create separation for a wide open step back jump shot last year. I hardly ever see him do that anymore. Regardless, he sure as hell looks nothing like a max player. Not even close. He does not even look anything close to an all star.

Dragic had 20 & 5, same thing he averaged in his All NBA season last year.

And Nobody on the Pelicans could stop him, that's why the Heat fans are all pissed in their GD thread about him not getting the ball to close it out instead of Wade hogging it.

Well that is exactly why I do not understand why he demanded a trade to the Heat. This was foreseeable. The three teams he supposedly wanted to go to have Kobe, Wade, and Carmelo. Seems to me that if he wants to control his own team, those are three of the last teams you want to play for. A team like Indiana or Detroit would have been much better suited to his abilities.

[Revived]

Dragic had 14 points and 3 assists in the first half tonight. He had 6 points and 2 assists in the second half. Same type of stuff he did throughout this year on the Suns where he disappeared in the second half. He was also outplayed by Tyreke Evans and Eric Gordon. I watched the game. He looks nothing like he did last year. Last year he could completely take over a game and dominate. I do not know what has happened to him. I remember how he would routinely beat his man off the dribble and create separation for a wide open step back jump shot last year. I hardly ever see him do that anymore. Regardless, he sure as hell looks nothing like a max player. Not even close. He does not even look anything close to an all star.

Dragic had 20 & 5, same thing he averaged in his All NBA season last year.

And Nobody on the Pelicans could stop him, that's why the Heat fans are all pissed in their GD thread about him not getting the ball to close it out instead of Wade hogging it.

Well that is exactly why I do not understand why he demanded a trade to the Heat. This was foreseeable. The three teams he supposedly wanted to go to have Kobe, Wade, and Carmelo. Seems to me that if he wants to control his own team, those are three of the last teams you want to play for. A team like Indiana or Detroit would have been much better suited to his abilities.

I think Wade will eventually start deferring to him more. As for the Lakers, Kobe is likely gonna retire after one season so it would be his team.

[Revived]

Robert Sarver: Channing Frye gave Phoenix Suns 3 minutes to match Magic's offer

In July, the Orlando Magic lured Channing Frye away from the Phoenix Suns, signing the unrestricted free agent to a four-year, $32 million contract.

Some Suns fans may still wonder why the team didn't match the Magic's offer for the versatile power forward. On Friday, Suns owner Robert Sarver provided some rather revealing clarification.

"To be honest with you, we didn't really even have a chance," Sarver told Burns and Gambo on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. "He had mentioned he was interested in coming back, and then when he was talking to Orlando, he just called and said, 'Hey, you've got three minutes to match this offer.'"

http://arizonasports.com/41/1811585/Rob ... gics-offer

I know a lot of advanced stats geeks love Frye but wow, what an ass!

Honestly surprised by that, wow. Especially for a player that has missed a whole season due to health reasons. I know in the NBA you are entitled to make that money but still. You get millions for being out, received the best medical treatment available, could have been waved with the medical clause which would basically have been the end of your career, are given a chance to play again and then you give that team three minutes to match an overblown offer via phone? On top of that you bitch about the team not having wanted you back bad enough?
Good riddance.

He's a loser. He complained about the Suns not wanting him and he actually blamed the Suns for going after LeBron and Melo instead of resigning him.

And now it turns out his dumb*** was lying and he gave the team 3 seconds to match that ridiculous offer from Orlando?

Actually, I'm glad he only gave us 3 mins. Maybe if we had more time, we would have matched it and we would have been stuck with that god awful contract for years.

[letsgosuns]

Dragic had 20 & 5, same thing he averaged in his All NBA season last year.

And Nobody on the Pelicans could stop him, that's why the Heat fans are all pissed in their GD thread about him not getting the ball to close it out instead of Wade hogging it.

Well that is exactly why I do not understand why he demanded a trade to the Heat. This was foreseeable. The three teams he supposedly wanted to go to have Kobe, Wade, and Carmelo. Seems to me that if he wants to control his own team, those are three of the last teams you want to play for. A team like Indiana or Detroit would have been much better suited to his abilities.

I think Wade will eventually start deferring to him more. As for the Lakers, Kobe is likely gonna retire after one season so it would be his team.

Yeah but still, with Kobe he would waste another year not running his own team. He is going to be turn 29 before this offseason. And 20+ million a year for Dragic? He would be one of the highest paid players in the league. I know people who love him that still do not think he is worth that. That kind of a contract is reserved for perennial all stars and mvp caliber players. Sarver even took a shot at him today on the radio saying that when Dragic ran the team as the main point guard and ball handler a couple seasons ago the results were not good. He did mention that it was not all Dragic's fault but the fact remains that they were terrible with him at the helm. They also had Gortat that year and he kept on complaining the entire season saying he was not getting the ball like he used to with Nash.

Look at the game Bledsoe had last night. Besides the fact that he did it against Westbrook and outplayed him, he defense stood out dramatically. He had a game changing play when he ran down the court and made that key block at the end of the game. Now think about how much he is paid and he just turned 25 this past December. He makes 13 million this year. I cannot fathom how a team is going to pay Dragic 20 million a season when he really is not going to get any better than he is right now.

The Lakers and Knicks want to rebuild right. Is it really smart to start rebuilding by maxing out a soon to be 29 year old point guard when you have no other pieces on your team? All the Lakers have is Kobe Bryant and he is about to retire like you said. The Knicks have Carmelo. Both of those teams would honestly be better off trading their superstars on draft day and getting as much as you can for each of them so you can rebuild with young players. I doubt it will happen though because both have no trade clauses and do not want to leave their respective teams. There are so many good point guards in the league and the thought of Dragic getting paid the same amount of money as Chris Paul blows my mind. Dragic has looked different ever since he played for his national team last Summer. I think it really wore him down.

[DirtyDez]

Dragic better be careful and not let IT's Celtics catch them.

[Revived]

Well that is exactly why I do not understand why he demanded a trade to the Heat. This was foreseeable. The three teams he supposedly wanted to go to have Kobe, Wade, and Carmelo. Seems to me that if he wants to control his own team, those are three of the last teams you want to play for. A team like Indiana or Detroit would have been much better suited to his abilities.

I think Wade will eventually start deferring to him more. As for the Lakers, Kobe is likely gonna retire after one season so it would be his team.

Yeah but still, with Kobe he would waste another year not running his own team. He is going to be turn 29 before this offseason. And 20+ million a year for Dragic? He would be one of the highest paid players in the league. I know people who love him that still do not think he is worth that. That kind of a contract is reserved for perennial all stars and mvp caliber players. Sarver even took a shot at him today on the radio saying that when Dragic ran the team as the main point guard and ball handler a couple seasons ago the results were not good. He did mention that it was not all Dragic's fault but the fact remains that they were terrible with him at the helm. They also had Gortat that year and he kept on complaining the entire season saying he was not getting the ball like he used to with Nash.

Look at the game Bledsoe had last night. Besides the fact that he did it against Westbrook and outplayed him, he defense stood out dramatically. He had a game changing play when he ran down the court and made that key block at the end of the game. Now think about how much he is paid and he just turned 25 this past December. He makes 13 million this year. I cannot fathom how a team is going to pay Dragic 20 million a season when he really is not going to get any better than he is right now.

The Lakers and Knicks want to rebuild right. Is it really smart to start rebuilding by maxing out a soon to be 29 year old point guard when you have no other pieces on your team? All the Lakers have is Kobe Bryant and he is about to retire like you said. The Knicks have Carmelo. Both of those teams would honestly be better off trading their superstars on draft day and getting as much as you can for each of them so you can rebuild with young players. I doubt it will happen though because both have no trade clauses and do not want to leave their respective teams. There are so many good point guards in the league and the thought of Dragic getting paid the same amount of money as Chris Paul blows my mind. Dragic has looked different ever since he played for his national team last Summer. I think it really wore him down.

Once the cap goes up, $20 million will be equivalent to like $14-$15 million probably

I don't think he's worth $20 million for us either but for a team that's a good PG away from being a contender, it may be worth it.

[letsgosuns]

I think Wade will eventually start deferring to him more. As for the Lakers, Kobe is likely gonna retire after one season so it would be his team.

Yeah but still, with Kobe he would waste another year not running his own team. He is going to be turn 29 before this offseason. And 20+ million a year for Dragic? He would be one of the highest paid players in the league. I know people who love him that still do not think he is worth that. That kind of a contract is reserved for perennial all stars and mvp caliber players. Sarver even took a shot at him today on the radio saying that when Dragic ran the team as the main point guard and ball handler a couple seasons ago the results were not good. He did mention that it was not all Dragic's fault but the fact remains that they were terrible with him at the helm. They also had Gortat that year and he kept on complaining the entire season saying he was not getting the ball like he used to with Nash.

Look at the game Bledsoe had last night. Besides the fact that he did it against Westbrook and outplayed him, he defense stood out dramatically. He had a game changing play when he ran down the court and made that key block at the end of the game. Now think about how much he is paid and he just turned 25 this past December. He makes 13 million this year. I cannot fathom how a team is going to pay Dragic 20 million a season when he really is not going to get any better than he is right now.

The Lakers and Knicks want to rebuild right. Is it really smart to start rebuilding by maxing out a soon to be 29 year old point guard when you have no other pieces on your team? All the Lakers have is Kobe Bryant and he is about to retire like you said. The Knicks have Carmelo. Both of those teams would honestly be better off trading their superstars on draft day and getting as much as you can for each of them so you can rebuild with young players. I doubt it will happen though because both have no trade clauses and do not want to leave their respective teams. There are so many good point guards in the league and the thought of Dragic getting paid the same amount of money as Chris Paul blows my mind. Dragic has looked different ever since he played for his national team last Summer. I think it really wore him down.

Once the cap goes up, $20 million will be equivalent to like $14-$15 million probably

I don't think he's worth $20 million for us either but for a team that's a good PG away from being a contender, it may be worth it.

Yeah but I would still hesitate to give him that huge of a contract even with a rising cap. The team I can see him going to is Dallas. Sounds like Rondo is not coming back and they will need to sign a point guard. Tyson Chandler does not demand the ball. Ellis can shoot coming off screens. Dirk will just get the ball at the end of games. Parsons can be a spot up shooter. Sounds like the perfect type of team for Dragic to run. Guys that can stretch the floor all around and allow him to penetrate.

[Mulhollanddrive]

What was Frye's problem with us, if there was one?

I know any bad news gets personal insults back at them (EG. Amin Elhassan, who said Frye left on bad terms due to FO)

But we:
- Helped keep him alive.
- Paid him 7m to do nothing.
- Gave him a career, without us, his next contract would have been 20k in the D-League.

Something's missing.

[Flying Colors]

What was Frye's problem with us, if there was one?

I know any bad news gets personal insults back at them (EG. Amin Elhassan, who said Frye left on bad terms due to FO)

But we:
- Helped keep him alive.
- Paid him 7m to do nothing.
- Gave him a career, without us, his next contract would have been 20k in the D-League.

Something's missing.

It seems he was angry that we ask him to take a paycut, or maybe hes angry that he gave us three minutes to decide on match his new contract and we only needed ten seconds to say no

[Orens]

I think Wade will eventually start deferring to him more. As for the Lakers, Kobe is likely gonna retire after one season so it would be his team.

Yeah but still, with Kobe he would waste another year not running his own team. He is going to be turn 29 before this offseason. And 20+ million a year for Dragic? He would be one of the highest paid players in the league. I know people who love him that still do not think he is worth that. That kind of a contract is reserved for perennial all stars and mvp caliber players. Sarver even took a shot at him today on the radio saying that when Dragic ran the team as the main point guard and ball handler a couple seasons ago the results were not good. He did mention that it was not all Dragic's fault but the fact remains that they were terrible with him at the helm. They also had Gortat that year and he kept on complaining the entire season saying he was not getting the ball like he used to with Nash.

Look at the game Bledsoe had last night. Besides the fact that he did it against Westbrook and outplayed him, he defense stood out dramatically. He had a game changing play when he ran down the court and made that key block at the end of the game. Now think about how much he is paid and he just turned 25 this past December. He makes 13 million this year. I cannot fathom how a team is going to pay Dragic 20 million a season when he really is not going to get any better than he is right now.

The Lakers and Knicks want to rebuild right. Is it really smart to start rebuilding by maxing out a soon to be 29 year old point guard when you have no other pieces on your team? All the Lakers have is Kobe Bryant and he is about to retire like you said. The Knicks have Carmelo. Both of those teams would honestly be better off trading their superstars on draft day and getting as much as you can for each of them so you can rebuild with young players. I doubt it will happen though because both have no trade clauses and do not want to leave their respective teams. There are so many good point guards in the league and the thought of Dragic getting paid the same amount of money as Chris Paul blows my mind. Dragic has looked different ever since he played for his national team last Summer. I think it really wore him down.

Once the cap goes up, $20 million will be equivalent to like $14-$15 million probably

I don't think he's worth $20 million for us either but for a team that's a good PG away from being a contender, it may be worth it.

So what will 14M$ be equivalent to?

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Yeah but still, with Kobe he would waste another year not running his own team. He is going to be turn 29 before this offseason. And 20+ million a year for Dragic? He would be one of the highest paid players in the league. I know people who love him that still do not think he is worth that. That kind of a contract is reserved for perennial all stars and mvp caliber players. Sarver even took a shot at him today on the radio saying that when Dragic ran the team as the main point guard and ball handler a couple seasons ago the results were not good. He did mention that it was not all Dragic's fault but the fact remains that they were terrible with him at the helm. They also had Gortat that year and he kept on complaining the entire season saying he was not getting the ball like he used to with Nash.

Look at the game Bledsoe had last night. Besides the fact that he did it against Westbrook and outplayed him, he defense stood out dramatically. He had a game changing play when he ran down the court and made that key block at the end of the game. Now think about how much he is paid and he just turned 25 this past December. He makes 13 million this year. I cannot fathom how a team is going to pay Dragic 20 million a season when he really is not going to get any better than he is right now.

The Lakers and Knicks want to rebuild right. Is it really smart to start rebuilding by maxing out a soon to be 29 year old point guard when you have no other pieces on your team? All the Lakers have is Kobe Bryant and he is about to retire like you said. The Knicks have Carmelo. Both of those teams would honestly be better off trading their superstars on draft day and getting as much as you can for each of them so you can rebuild with young players. I doubt it will happen though because both have no trade clauses and do not want to leave their respective teams. There are so many good point guards in the league and the thought of Dragic getting paid the same amount of money as Chris Paul blows my mind. Dragic has looked different ever since he played for his national team last Summer. I think it really wore him down.

Once the cap goes up, $20 million will be equivalent to like $14-$15 million probably

I don't think he's worth $20 million for us either but for a team that's a good PG away from being a contender, it may be worth it.

So what will 14M$ be equivalent to?

Idk $10M now?

[Flying Colors]

Once the cap goes up, $20 million will be equivalent to like $14-$15 million probably

I don't think he's worth $20 million for us either but for a team that's a good PG away from being a contender, it may be worth it.

So what will 14M$ be equivalent to?

Idk $10M now?

So what will 10M$ be equivalent to?

[Revived]

So what will 14M$ be equivalent to?

Idk $10M now?

So what will 10M$ be equivalent to?

$1M.

[Kyler Murray]

Idk $10M now?

So what will 10M$ be equivalent to?

$1M.

1$

[Zelaznyrules]

What was Frye's problem with us, if there was one?

I know any bad news gets personal insults back at them (EG. Amin Elhassan, who said Frye left on bad terms due to FO)

But we:
- Helped keep him alive.
- Paid him 7m to do nothing.
- Gave him a career, without us, his next contract would have been 20k in the D-League.

Something's missing.

It seems he was angry that we ask him to take a paycut, or maybe hes angry that he gave us three minutes to decide on match his new contract and we only needed ten seconds to say no

He was left hanging in limbo. The team made no effort to negotiate with him and no promise of an eventual contract. (IMO)Our reasoning was that we weren't sure we were bringing him back and wouldn't know until the big named players were off the market. Channing got an offer from Orlando and I'd bet they told him to sign now or we're going to our next target so he called Babby and said I have an offer but I need an answer from you guys right now.

I don't blame Frye one bit and I don't blame the organization either, that's just how things go sometimes. It's understandable that Frye would feel like he was being taken for granted. But Channing, at least not until the details of the next TV contract came out, wasn't worth 8 million per. And with Goran gone I think we're better off in the long run without him. Knight can catch and shoot so it's no longer a skill we desperately need our power forward to possess (it's a plus, just not a necessity).

[Fo-Real]

I like the fact that we recovered and wont miss a beat by getting Knight, but we sent two amazing basketbatt players out the door in Goran and Isiah. Glad we played chess not checkers and made sure to ger both of them out of the west.... GENIUS. I think Isiah is going to get Boston to the playoffs. They are so sharp, and well coached, and he is the scorer/closer who puts them over the top.

[HootieRules]

I know a lot of advanced stats geeks love Frye but wow, what an ass!

Honestly surprised by that, wow. Especially for a player that has missed a whole season due to health reasons. I know in the NBA you are entitled to make that money but still. You get millions for being out, received the best medical treatment available, could have been waved with the medical clause which would basically have been the end of your career, are given a chance to play again and then you give that team three minutes to match an overblown offer via phone? On top of that you bitch about the team not having wanted you back bad enough?
Good riddance.

He's a loser. He complained about the Suns not wanting him and he actually blamed the Suns for going after LeBron and Melo instead of resigning him.

And now it turns out his dumb*** was lying and he gave the team 3 seconds to match that ridiculous offer from Orlando?

Actually, I'm glad he only gave us 3 mins. Maybe if we had more time, we would have matched it and we would have been stuck with that god awful contract for years.

Channing was interested in coming back. The Suns clearly didn't reciprocate that interest early on in free agency. Then Sarver is spiteful that Channing gets an offer from another team and they didn't get enough time to match. Huh?

If they don't want Channing back, fine. To not want him, then act like a petulant child and say they didn't have enough time to match and air this long after Channing is gone is ridiculous. Open up your eyes and start looking at this stuff from the eyes of all of the former players that leave on bad terms. Or keep being close minded and only look at things from the side of the asshat owner that keeps going scorched earth on former players then wonders why his best hauls in free agency are Michael Beasley and Isaiah Thomas.

[RunDogGun]

Can someone post the questions and answers that Sarver made? Because I really don't like reading someone here applying intent, when they aren't the person making the comment.

[RunDogGun]

Didn't we nab Grant Hill while Sarver owned the Suns? Who was available in FA that said they wouldn't come here because they don't like our majority owner?

[NapoleonII]

Tragic should have gone to Memphis.

Conley
Dragic
Gasol
Randolph
Allen

= championship