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GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015

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Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#241 » by dangermouse » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:20 am

76ciology wrote:
wizfactor94 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Bad body language and energy level from your guys, that leads to lethargic effort on both ends.


That's true

but Wall went 7-26 , that is 19 misses, They lost by 8 points , in which 4 were foul shots because forced to foul

Wall's misses led to buckets

A lot of the blame is on Wall tonight. No excuse for this type of game.


I hope you guys go easy with me on this and if I'm ever wrong, it's because I haven't watched a lot of wiz games like you guys.

I think your team is competitive. But John Wall is not a superstar and the other guys are more of role players than stars. With that said..

What you guys need is a coach that need not have the players to carry him, but a coach that will carry the players. Wittman is an ordinary coach blessed with talented players. What you guys need is a coach that will bring out the best of your guys. Make Jwall look like a superstar, beal and Pierce as borderline stars, nene, gortat and the rest as that cohesive supporting cast.

A good example of this is thibs. Jimmy Butler, Dunleavy and Nate Rob are some of the guys who steps up whenever Rose is down. The supporting cast of Noah and Taj are consistently present. And then there's Rose, who he has an offense that subtlely revolves around him so that it doesn't put too much pressure on Rose.

Just my two cents


Our team did look like that earlier in the season and last season. Maybe just not all at once, which is what the next coach needs to be able to do. If we get Wall, Beal and Gortat playing on the same level again, we are hard to stop. The rest is gravy.
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Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#242 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:39 pm

cdouglas wrote:
wizfactor94 wrote:John Wall might be the worst shooter ever

every single one of his misses was front rim, no chance, why is he the one shooting


My problem with Wall is he can't shoot and they're always talking about how fAst Wall is but what happens when the speed disappears? Something to think about and he should seriously consider working with a shooting g coach.


Cdouglas, you're forward-looking. Good point.

John Wall is only 25. There is much more to his game than shooting. He is a great defender against all players not guicker laterally. He's going to be an elite distributor for years to come. His brand and his trade value will be premium for at least another 3-6 years barring injury.

OTOH Wall isn't a high basketball IQ player. His physical game seems much faster than his mindfulness of game situations. He often takes bad shots. Wall can make great speedy plays; but rarely does he make a crafty play. He's very good but has flaws.

The Wizards need to keep Wall happy. They also need to draft another good to great PG. Looking forward, there are many great PG prospects in this draft. Wall can also be moved at a later date if he should request a trade.
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Re: Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#243 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:51 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
cdouglas wrote:
wizfactor94 wrote:John Wall might be the worst shooter ever

every single one of his misses was front rim, no chance, why is he the one shooting


My problem with Wall is he can't shoot and they're always talking about how fAst Wall is but what happens when the speed disappears? Something to think about and he should seriously consider working with a shooting g coach.


Cdouglas, you're forward-looking. Good point.

John Wall is only 25. There is much more to his game than shooting. He is a great defender against all players not guicker laterally. He's going to be an elite distributor for years to come. His brand and his trade value will be premium for at least another 3-6 years barring injury.

OTOH Wall isn't a high basketball IQ player. His physical game seems much faster than his mindfulness of game situations. He often takes bad shots. Wall can make great speedy plays; but rarely does he make a crafty play. He's very good but has flaws.

The Wizards need to keep Wall happy. They also need to draft another good to great PG. Looking forward, there are many great PG prospects in this draft. Wall can also be moved at a later date if he should request a trade.

I still have very few concerns about Wall. For the most part, I think all of his "problems" are a result of his teammates and scheme. If we had wings who could shoot, a real stretch four, and a game plan to actually put Gortat in the pick-and-roll, Wall would look consistently awesome.

Wall will never be Chris Paul or Steve Nash because he's not a gifted shooter, but he could easily be Jason Kidd or Gary Payton. I think the critical issue is that he need 3 shooters around him. A guy like Chris Paul could get away with just 2 good shooters around him because he himself is a good shooter. Wall needs 3 shooters. That probably means that Wall's PF will be a bit softer, a bit poorer defensively and on the glass, but Wall can make up for it by being a great defender and rebounder himself.
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Re: Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#244 » by Dat2U » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:46 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
cdouglas wrote:
wizfactor94 wrote:John Wall might be the worst shooter ever

every single one of his misses was front rim, no chance, why is he the one shooting


My problem with Wall is he can't shoot and they're always talking about how fAst Wall is but what happens when the speed disappears? Something to think about and he should seriously consider working with a shooting g coach.


Cdouglas, you're forward-looking. Good point.

John Wall is only 25. There is much more to his game than shooting. He is a great defender against all players not guicker laterally. He's going to be an elite distributor for years to come. His brand and his trade value will be premium for at least another 3-6 years barring injury.

OTOH Wall isn't a high basketball IQ player. His physical game seems much faster than his mindfulness of game situations. He often takes bad shots. Wall can make great speedy plays; but rarely does he make a crafty play. He's very good but has flaws.

The Wizards need to keep Wall happy. They also need to draft another good to great PG. Looking forward, there are many great PG prospects in this draft. Wall can also be moved at a later date if he should request a trade.


This is just plain wrong. I wouldn't expect this from someone that has watched Wall his whole career.

I think folks STILL don't understand how bad a position Wall was put in with this franchise... to get to the point he has this year is a testament to his work ethic, mental toughness and his intelligence. He's been saddled with a bad GM, two below average coaches with outdated systems and teammates with low IQs & marginal talent to teammates who are bad fits roster wise.

Like Jeff Van Gundy said in a recent broadcast... we've overachieved considering the system we run and our lack of depth. That's a credit to Wall who's been far and away our best player this season. Was Wall a low IQ player when we were healthy and 2nd in the East a few weeks back?

Where are the folks who where whining about paying Wall the max in 2013? Keep doubting Wall and he's going to keep proving you wrong like he's done before. It would be nice if he just got a little bit of help from Ted & basketball ops guys.
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Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#245 » by tontoz » Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:50 pm

Ted is going to waste Wall's prime trying to prove he was right and we were wrong. It is as inevitable as the sunrise. Ted is a douche who isn't capable of admitting his mistakes.

I am not going to any more games until EG is gone. Won't be watching very often either. Just a waste of time.
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Re: Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#246 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:52 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
cdouglas wrote:
wizfactor94 wrote:John Wall might be the worst shooter ever

every single one of his misses was front rim, no chance, why is he the one shooting


My problem with Wall is he can't shoot and they're always talking about how fAst Wall is but what happens when the speed disappears? Something to think about and he should seriously consider working with a shooting g coach.


Cdouglas, you're forward-looking. Good point.

John Wall is only 25. There is much more to his game than shooting. He is a great defender against all players not guicker laterally. He's going to be an elite distributor for years to come. His brand and his trade value will be premium for at least another 3-6 years barring injury.

OTOH Wall isn't a high basketball IQ player. His physical game seems much faster than his mindfulness of game situations. He often takes bad shots. Wall can make great speedy plays; but rarely does he make a crafty play. He's very good but has flaws.

The Wizards need to keep Wall happy. They also need to draft another good to great PG. Looking forward, there are many great PG prospects in this draft. Wall can also be moved at a later date if he should request a trade.




Nobody is thinking about moving Wall for another PG. Plus Wall is a high IQ player, the players around him are just low IQ players.
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Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#247 » by BallLikeYao » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:55 pm

How do you lose to the 6ers? And you expect KD to fall in your laps 2016?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#248 » by queridiculo » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:03 pm

BallLikeYao wrote:How do you lose to the 6ers? And you expect KD to fall in your laps 2016?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


I was as shocked about this loss as your mom was when she first saw your face.
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Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#249 » by nuposse04 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:07 pm

BallLikeYao wrote:How do you lose to the 6ers? And you expect KD to fall in your laps 2016?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Not really, not under this management. Wouldn't surprise me if KD's foot goes the way Yao's did though if he goes to the rockets :wink:
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Re: GT#59: Wizards @ 76ers 7:00 PM (CSNP, CBaP, CSNB) 2-27-2015 

Post#250 » by RussellandFlow » Sun Mar 1, 2015 12:12 am

I think Wall is a good player but he just does not have feel for the game and court vision of a Jason Kidd , nor the post game and defensive prowess to be GP. I think this team would much better with a coach like Mike Malone, and a stretch four, the current roster makeup :noway:

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