Game 60: San Antonio Spurs (34-23) @ Phoenix Suns (31-28)

[DirtyDez]

I don't get what's so great about Knight. Nice guy and solid two guard but does not seem like a forceful presence on the court in any way. I don't see him becoming a star in this league.

He's like Bledsoe. Not the on-the-court wise but end result wise. A nice player that will get overpaid.

[saintEscaton]

We're just irrelevant now , this isnt the SSOL glory days. We have to accept that. Like really the only reason we received some nationally televised games was because of the whole Three Headed Hydra marketing gimmick which everyone knew was a joke.

[RaisingArizona]

Mully with the nutshell.



and WTF is Keif getting in the face of Len and anyone else for that matter (that muddle-huddle outburst) ? Leadership ? Didn't look like it to me.

Tom Chambers said it was Kieff taking charge and being a leader which are all good things. But by all means keep spewing hate.

How did it work out ?

You stay on your perpetual MoBro defense, they are going to need it. Its not just me who is sick of them.

Have you ever played team sports, Frank? Would you show emotion if your team was getting their *** kicked in the midst of a playoff run? You're being petty with everything they do now. Kieff and Marcus actually showed up tonight. Can't same the same for the rest of the team besides maybe Bledsoe.

[JTrain]

Give me $100,000 to play 35 minutes of basketball and I'll gladly play in an empty arena. Or in front of 10,000 quiet old people. Or even in front of a bunch of jackasses yelling obscenities at me. Where do I sign up?

I see your point. At the same time, wouldn't you rather our home games be more electric? It would definitely give our team more of an advantage if we had fans like GS or OKC.

Of course. But at the same time, I want players that are driven by a commitment to winning and playing great, fundamentally sound basketball. How loud the crowd sounded should be like the 27th thing on their minds right after losing a game like that, IMO.

[HootieRules]

This is the worst stretch of Suns basketball since the early 70s. Suns fans eating their own for not wanting to shell out to watch these guys is high comedy.

[saintEscaton]

Man we better show up tomorrow, Dragic will be vying to stick a fork in us out of spite as a gesture of I told you so"

[JTrain]

lmao glad I missed this sh*tshow

Convert what you listened to tonight into a visual, and that is how the Spurs play. We, on the other hand, are more like an An*l C**t concert.

[RunDogGun]

Our fans do suck generally. I can admit that. I watched the Kansas game today and it was a night and day comparison as opposed to the Suns games.

With that being said, tickets are way overpriced. More than $50 to sit down low is pricing the middle income families out of attending most games. Most business suits own the lower level and generally go to talk business-- doubtful they have much of a dog in the fight.

I don't get why they don't give more tickets away or do better promos. We haven't been to the playoffs in 5 years, we just traded the most popular player on the team all the while being in the middle of huge bandwagon /transplant city.

Then why do the Lakers have such a good home crowd, their ticket prices are insane. I paid over $300 for middle level seats at a Laker game in 2006. I paid about the same to sit in the third row behind the Suns bench last year. Even then, in the video, I'm the only one standing and cheering Plumlee's block, followed by a Frye save, and a Bledsoe finish. I was loud the whole game, and everyone around me was barely making any noise. At halftime, everyone that has those lower seats have get free food at the Blue Moon lounge (I think, we did) and no one rushed back to their seats to cheer the team on. Instead everyone was trying to get as many hotdogs they could.

At Minny games, I pay $35 for ok seats, but they are still pretty far up. I spent $22 for seats five from the top the other night, and I only got that price because we bought them before they traded for Granett. After the trade, ticket sales went nuts. And we usually get decent ticket prices because my wife works for Target.

There are tons of rich people in PHX, they just aren't Suns fans. They seem to go to games just to be seen.

[Revived]

He's right, Suns fans in the arena are pathetic. And don't give me that BS about the tickets being high. Warriors tickets are high, and fans still pack Oracle every single game, even before they were one of the elite teams in the NBA. Lakers tickets are expensive, and fans still show up even without Kobe even playing. Knicks tickets are high, yet people still show up and they're terrible. Suns have a bad fan base because they're in a bad market for sports and they have no star player.

It shouldn't matter, their getting paid to play. Even if there is not even a single fan in the building, they still get paid don't they?

Berating fans for not wanting to spend hard earned money on watching the team make a full out o themselves is hardly the way to go.

[RaisingArizona]

Give me $100,000 to play 35 minutes of basketball and I'll gladly play in an empty arena. Or in front of 10,000 quiet old people. Or even in front of a bunch of jackasses yelling obscenities at me. Where do I sign up?

I see your point. At the same time, wouldn't you rather our home games be more electric? It would definitely give our team more of an advantage if we had fans like GS or OKC.

Of course. But at the same time, I want players that are driven by a commitment to winning and playing great, fundamentally sound basketball. How loud the crowd sounded should be like the 27th thing on their minds right after losing a game like that, IMO.

Yeah-- it wouldn't have made a difference in this game. Not sure how it got brought up. I wish the fans were better. I wish the Suns would stop getting down by 20+ by halftime.

[SarcasticSun]

We're just irrelevant now , this isnt the SSOL glory days. We have to accept that. Like really the only reason we received some nationally televised games was because of the whole Three Headed Hydra marketing gimmick which everyone knew was a joke.

We've been irrelevant ever since we lost in the WCF to the Lakers a few years back. We then ran the treadmill with Nash for a couple years, bottomed out with Beasley. Then we scrapped the team, flipped Gortat, Dudely and other players. Over achieved with Goran, messed up with IT signing and now we are here. Honestly, this is still the best shape a Suns roster has been in since Amare left. We have a lot of assets, just been waiting on the disgruntled superstar part.

[Frank Lee]

Keef is 110% correct. Our fan base is **** garbage. I understand ticket prices, the product on the floor, etc isn't up to par to what we can afford/want at this time. People need to show up and get LOUD at the game in general. Go to a damn Warriors game and you'll see what a real fan base looks like. Even in the worst times they still had a fan base that was amped no matter what. Last time I went to a Suns game when I visited my folks, the person behind me (snowbirds go figure) told me to sit down after a crazy play/cheering. Unbelievable. I still think Sarver needs to get the **** out of Arizona. I don't care if he's trying to change his perception of all the stupid **** he's done in the past but him and his puppets need to hit the road.

our fan base has ALWAYS been pathetic. The Mad House was a blue hair palace for yrs. I wouldn't know about the not so new, new place. Never been. But, I have had the same response for my own exuberance yrs ago.

I don't blame Keif for his comments... but could he have any worse timing ? Furthermore.... its not going to help a GD thing for a player to complain about the fans. Not one who hasn't done squat, who plays on a team that hasn't done squat, a team that has had a tread-milled roster where no fan can really invest in any player as they are soon to be gone. This is a team that lacks identity. Has no style, and very few likable players. Thats just the way it is.

Nice going Keif... your whining will do wonders with your own image

[letsgosuns]

Here is the full audio of Markieff. https://soundcloud.com/bryan-gibberman/ ... um=twitter Pretty damning if you ask me. Blaming fans for the team's lack of energy. Says it never feels like a home court advantage. This guy and his brother have some serious mental issues. You guys are paid millions of dollars and there are some fans who make practically nothing, save up for months to go to a game, and then you come out and play awful and you blame the fans. Great logic right there. Not a coincidence Markieff and his brother get some many technical fouls. These guys are just embarrassing.

He is right, and it was happening long before we even drafted Markieff. It a rarely ever seems like a home game for us. And with all the crap you've been spewing this season, you should talk. You are the fans he is talking about.

You think it is right to publicly destroy the fans like that? He did not just bad mouth them, he destroyed them. The guy is paid millions of dollars. He said the fans not sitting in the first three rows of the arena seem like they do not care about the team. He is disrespecting anybody that pays money to see him. And when I go to games I yell and scream and get into the game. I used to scream and boo Spurs fans just walking around the arena when the Suns played them in the playoffs. I went to so many games and playoff games during the Nash Era. I went to games throughout the 1990's. All those crowds were fantastic. It is not the fans fault the team has not had a superstar since Nash was on the team. People pay money to see superstars. The Suns do not currently have one.

And what has Markieff Morris done in his career to warrant fans going crazy for him. Him and his brother are not likable players. So many technical fouls this season. Being investigated for assault. Publicly berating the coach on national TV. Worst of all, their play is wildly inconsistent. You do not know if Markieff is gonna score 25 points or score 5 points. Tucker is another guy that is not really a likable player. Had that super extreme dui in the offseason. Missed a team bus during the season and was suspended one game. He is supposed to be a leader. These guys are prima donnas. It is ridiculous. I could never imagine Nash talking trash like that about the fans.

Markieff was saying they are out there playing their heart out. They are diving for loose balls. Where is the support? Are you kidding me? You are supposed to do that Markieff! That is your job. People playing in the YMCA league dive for loose balls. I cannot believe the things he is saying. It really is a shame.

[In Len We Trust]

We're just irrelevant now , this isnt the SSOL glory days. We have to accept that. Like really the only reason we received some nationally televised games was because of the whole Three Headed Hydra marketing gimmick which everyone knew was a joke.

This is the sad truth and has been for years now. Sarver killed the national relevancy of the Phoenix Suns

[RaisingArizona]

Our fans do suck generally. I can admit that. I watched the Kansas game today and it was a night and day comparison as opposed to the Suns games.

With that being said, tickets are way overpriced. More than $50 to sit down low is pricing the middle income families out of attending most games. Most business suits own the lower level and generally go to talk business-- doubtful they have much of a dog in the fight.

I don't get why they don't give more tickets away or do better promos. We haven't been to the playoffs in 5 years, we just traded the most popular player on the team all the while being in the middle of huge bandwagon /transplant city.

Then why do the Lakers have such a good home crowd, their ticket prices are insane. I paid over $300 for middle level seats at a Laker game in 2006. I paid about the same to sit in the third row behind the Suns bench last year. Even then, in the video, I'm the only one standing and cheering Plumlee's block, followed by a Frye save, and a Bledsoe finish. I was loud the whole game, and everyone around me was barely making any noise. At halftime, everyone that has those lower seats have get free food at the Blue Moon lounge (I think, we did) and no one rushed back to their seats to cheer the team on. Instead everyone was trying to get as many hotdogs they could.

At Minny games, I pay $35 for ok seats, but they are still pretty far up. I spent $22 for seats five from the top the other night, and I only got that price because we bought them before they traded for Granett. After the trade, ticket sales went nuts. And we usually get decent ticket prices because my wife works for Target.

There are tons of rich people in PHX, they just aren't Suns fans. They seem to go to games just to be seen.

The overall median income for CA is $57,000 vs $50,000 for AZ. I think that's a factor.

[RunDogGun]

Give me $100,000 to play 35 minutes of basketball and I'll gladly play in an empty arena. Or in front of 10,000 quiet old people. Or even in front of a bunch of jackasses yelling obscenities at me. Where do I sign up?

I see your point. At the same time, wouldn't you rather our home games be more electric? It would definitely give our team more of an advantage if we had fans like GS or OKC.

Of course. But at the same time, I want players that are driven by a commitment to winning and playing great, fundamentally sound basketball. How loud the crowd sounded should be like the 27th thing on their minds right after losing a game like that, IMO.

It's a symbiotic relationship. I love playing drums, and always try my best when performing on stage. But I play so much better when the crowd is into the show, even if that crowd isn't a large amount of people. GS fans bring it all the time, even when they sucked. I'm not sure you can say what was on the player's mind, nor the priority. You are guessing on that.

[RunDogGun]

Our fans do suck generally. I can admit that. I watched the Kansas game today and it was a night and day comparison as opposed to the Suns games.

With that being said, tickets are way overpriced. More than $50 to sit down low is pricing the middle income families out of attending most games. Most business suits own the lower level and generally go to talk business-- doubtful they have much of a dog in the fight.

I don't get why they don't give more tickets away or do better promos. We haven't been to the playoffs in 5 years, we just traded the most popular player on the team all the while being in the middle of huge bandwagon /transplant city.

Then why do the Lakers have such a good home crowd, their ticket prices are insane. I paid over $300 for middle level seats at a Laker game in 2006. I paid about the same to sit in the third row behind the Suns bench last year. Even then, in the video, I'm the only one standing and cheering Plumlee's block, followed by a Frye save, and a Bledsoe finish. I was loud the whole game, and everyone around me was barely making any noise. At halftime, everyone that has those lower seats have get free food at the Blue Moon lounge (I think, we did) and no one rushed back to their seats to cheer the team on. Instead everyone was trying to get as many hotdogs they could.

At Minny games, I pay $35 for ok seats, but they are still pretty far up. I spent $22 for seats five from the top the other night, and I only got that price because we bought them before they traded for Granett. After the trade, ticket sales went nuts. And we usually get decent ticket prices because my wife works for Target.

There are tons of rich people in PHX, they just aren't Suns fans. They seem to go to games just to be seen.

The overall median income for CA is $57,000 vs $50,000 for AZ. I think that's a factor.

I lived in both cities, and the cost of living in Cali is insane compared to AZ. It's why there are so many Laker fans in AZ, they can't afford to live in or around LA, so they move to AZ. The house I bought in Cali, would have been a mansion in AZ, for the same price.

[RunDogGun]

Here is the full audio of Markieff. https://soundcloud.com/bryan-gibberman/ ... um=twitter Pretty damning if you ask me. Blaming fans for the team's lack of energy. Says it never feels like a home court advantage. This guy and his brother have some serious mental issues. You guys are paid millions of dollars and there are some fans who make practically nothing, save up for months to go to a game, and then you come out and play awful and you blame the fans. Great logic right there. Not a coincidence Markieff and his brother get some many technical fouls. These guys are just embarrassing.

He is right, and it was happening long before we even drafted Markieff. It a rarely ever seems like a home game for us. And with all the crap you've been spewing this season, you should talk. You are the fans he is talking about.

You think it is right to publicly destroy the fans like that? He did not just bad mouth them, he destroyed them. The guy is paid millions of dollars. He said the fans not sitting in the first three rows of the arena seem like they do not care about the team. He is disrespecting anybody that pays money to see him. And when I go to games I yell and scream and get into the game. I used to scream and boo Spurs fans just walking around the arena when the Suns played them in the playoffs. I went to so many games and playoff games during the Nash Era. I went to games throughout the 1990's. All those crowds were fantastic. It is not the fans fault the team has not had a superstar since Nash was on the team. People pay money to see superstars. The Suns do not currently have one.

And what has Markieff Morris done in his career to warrant fans going crazy for him. Him and his brother are not likable players. So many technical fouls this season. Being investigated for assault. Publicly berating the coach on national TV. Worst of all, their play is wildly inconsistent. You do not know if Markieff is gonna score 25 points or score 5 points. Tucker is another guy that is not really a likable player. Had that super extreme dui in the offseason. Missed a team bus during the season and was suspended one game. He is supposed to be a leader. These guys are prima donnas. It is ridiculous. I could never imagine Nash talking trash like that about the fans.

Markieff was saying they are out there playing their heart out. They are diving for loose balls. Where is the support? Are you kidding me? You are supposed to do that Markieff! That is your job. People playing in the YMCA league dive for loose balls. I cannot believe the things he is saying. It really is a shame.

Publicly destroy? What the f*ck are you talking about? Overact much? By the way, I stopped reading after that complete bull overreaction. I figured the rest of your comment was more bs.

[saintEscaton]

lmao glad I missed this sh*tshow

Convert what you listened to tonight into a visual, and that is how the Spurs play. We, on the other hand, are more like an An*l C**t concert.

Ur my fave poster, JTrain

[letsgosuns]

I think AZ fans are very fickle and overall unenthusiastic. However, it makes no difference if the Suns fans are good or bad. . Like myself and other posters just said, as a player making the kind of money he is, AND coming off a game that was arguably the worst performance in the Suns history, Markieff is way out of line saying they are losing games because of the fans. It does not matter if the fans suck or not. Those people are paying money to come see your games. You do not insult the people that pay their hard earned money to watch you. That is support in and of itself. Saying what he said destroys the Phoenix Suns brand. Phoenix is a conservative city. Lots of middle aged-senior citizens come to the game. You wanna play for a raucous crowd every night even if your team sucks, okay, go play in Oakland with the Warriors. Go back to college and play for a college team. I do not want to hear from a player as inconsistent as Markieff that the reason the Suns have played badly this year is because of the fans.