2015-2016 Dream Lineup

el13adnino · Post #221 » by **el13adnino** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 4:16 pm

nyk97 wrote:
el13adnino wrote:
fresko024 wrote:I don't think Early cracks the rotation next year.

its too early to say

ive never heard that one before!

better early than late

fullermd · Post #222 » by **fullermd** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 5:58 pm

My dream l/u would not include bargs or Melo. Team culture and leadership is formed and perpetuated first by the vet players, then by the coach, unless the coach has an exceptionally strong character an inordinate influence. Jason Kidd is a prime example. Having him in the locker room set the culture for the Knicks to finish on top of the east. Look at what he's done with the bucks. Amazing. Our problem is the vet leadership. The roster that started this year, from sheer talent perspective, was a playoff team. We need to clean house. Even melo needs to go for some high character and energy players.

siar617 · Post #223 » by **siar617** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 6:00 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:Karl Towns will be Phil's Pau Gasol.

So is Monroe Bynum?

newyorker4ever · Post #224 » by **newyorker4ever** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 6:42 pm

fullermd wrote:My dream l/u would not include bargs or Melo. Team culture and leadership is formed and perpetuated first by the vet players, then by the coach, unless the coach has an exceptionally strong character an inordinate influence. Jason Kidd is a prime example. Having him in the locker room set the culture for the Knicks to finish on top of the east. Look at what he's done with the bucks. Amazing. Our problem is the vet leadership. The roster that started this year, from sheer talent perspective, was a playoff team. We need to clean house. Even melo needs to go for some high character and energy players.

But Melo isn't going anywhere so why even waste the time to say this? Are you saying that with Melo we can't build a winning team??

el13adnino · Post #225 » by **el13adnino** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 8:20 pm

if phil jackson doesnt have a Contender team by next season's trade deadline, i think melo demands a trade and everyone is happy

newyorker4ever · Post #226 » by **newyorker4ever** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 8:58 pm

el13adnino wrote:if phil jackson doesnt have a Contender team by next season's trade deadline, i think melo demands a trade and everyone is happy

I don't believe that but i will give you if we don't have a contending team by the trade deadline in 2016 then maybe he'll ask for a trade.

fullermd · Post #227 » by **fullermd** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 9:47 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
fullermd wrote:My dream l/u would not include bargs or Melo. Team culture and leadership is formed and perpetuated first by the vet players, then by the coach, unless the coach has an exceptionally strong character an inordinate influence. Jason Kidd is a prime example. Having him in the locker room set the culture for the Knicks to finish on top of the east. Look at what he's done with the bucks. Amazing. Our problem is the vet leadership. The roster that started this year, from sheer talent perspective, was a playoff team. We need to clean house. Even melo needs to go for some high character and energy players.

But Melo isn't going anywhere so why even waste the time to say this? Are you saying that with Melo we can't build a winning team??

yes sir, i am

riter · Post #228 » by **riter** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 9:52 pm

siar617 wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:Karl Towns will be Phil's Pau Gasol.

So is Monroe Bynum?

Yeah, if it's Towns/Monroe than Monroe would be Gasol and Towns Bynum.
But if it's something like Hibbert/Towns(or another elite D center) and Towns can be Gasol with elite D--now you're talking.

Jalen Bluntson · Post #229 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 10:15 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
el13adnino wrote:if phil jackson doesnt have a Contender team by next season's trade deadline, i think melo demands a trade and everyone is happy

I don't believe that but i will give you if we don't have a contending team by the trade deadline in 2016 then maybe he'll ask for a trade.

Melo is not going anywhere. The silly notion that Melo can't be built around baffles me. You build teams around a system and players that fit with each other in that system. If Melo doesn't fit the triangle...then there is a problem. But he has shown he can play and win with these guys so let's move forward.

You need talent to win it all. This team is currently back end loaded with talent. We could build a solid bench with what we have now and attack the starting lineup this summer AND next. Slow and steady. Acquiring more picks for 2016 is crucial IMO. Not overpaying for players or rushing to max out our cap this year is also important. Find hard working, smart, team first, STARTING CALIBER players.

I like Beverly/Butler/Koufos and any one of the expected top 4 picks. Keep Early/Amundson/Timmy/Langston/Thomas and bring up Thanasis. If Jose isn't traded somehow...let him play and probe some value. This would be a very solid team next season. But the FA haul has to be more bang form the buck.

fullermd · Post #230 » by **fullermd** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 10:29 pm

i dont believe that we can win with melo leading the locker room... just don't..... if we could, we would be at the top of the east this season given the roster we started the season with.... sorry to disagree, but the nba, nbdl is full of talent... but, you don't win unless your vets in the locker home provide the correct leadership

Jalen Bluntson · Post #231 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 10:39 pm

fullermd wrote:i dont believe that we can win with melo leading the locker room... just don't..... if we could, we would be at the top of the east this season given the roster we started the season with.... sorry to disagree, but the nba, nbdl is full of talent... but, you don't win unless your vets in the locker home provide the correct leadership

I can't say I'm impressed with Melos leadership skills. But we could bring in a solid vet or two to fill that role. Other players can provide leadership. Like when we had Kidd KT Sheed and Martin. I still think he can be a huge part of a winning team. But he, and no other player in the last 35 years or more of me watching basketball, can do it alone.

Seeing the way these guys play for each other...team first attitude...not very difficult to lead just by playing hard.

newyorker4ever · Post #232 » by **newyorker4ever** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 11:03 pm

fullermd wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
fullermd wrote:My dream l/u would not include bargs or Melo. Team culture and leadership is formed and perpetuated first by the vet players, then by the coach, unless the coach has an exceptionally strong character an inordinate influence. Jason Kidd is a prime example. Having him in the locker room set the culture for the Knicks to finish on top of the east. Look at what he's done with the bucks. Amazing. Our problem is the vet leadership. The roster that started this year, from sheer talent perspective, was a playoff team. We need to clean house. Even melo needs to go for some high character and energy players.

But Melo isn't going anywhere so why even waste the time to say this? Are you saying that with Melo we can't build a winning team??

yes sir, i am

That's the spirit.

Bobbyydee · Post #233 » by **Bobbyydee** » Sun Mar 1, 2015 11:51 pm

fullermd wrote:i dont believe that we can win with melo leading the locker room... just don't..... if we could, we would be at the top of the east this season given the roster we started the season with.... sorry to disagree, but the nba, nbdl is full of talent... but, you don't win unless your vets in the locker home provide the correct leadership

Well I guess u have to find another team to root for. The organization has committed over 120 million the next 4 years No trade clause in Melo.They will do whatever it takes. Bro we are ride or die with melo.If all goes well Amudson, Milsap, Thomas or solid Vets

Bobbyydee · Post #234 » by **Bobbyydee** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:25 am

newyorker4ever wrote:
fullermd wrote:My dream l/u would not include bargs or Melo. Team culture and leadership is formed and perpetuated first by the vet players, then by the coach, unless the coach has an exceptionally strong character an inordinate influence. Jason Kidd is a prime example. Having him in the locker room set the culture for the Knicks to finish on top of the east. Look at what he's done with the bucks. Amazing. Our problem is the vet leadership. The roster that started this year, from sheer talent perspective, was a playoff team. We need to clean house. Even melo needs to go for some high character and energy players.

But Melo isn't going anywhere so why even waste the time to say this? Are you saying that with Melo we can't build a winning team??

When u hire someone u give them the tools to succeed. Isaiah had his Defence on the perimeter, 2nd option in scoring in Dumas and Acguire, as well as a good bench Bird got his Defence and rebounding second option in Parish and Machale, Jordan got his Defence and rebounding from Grant and Rodman and second option in Pippen where is Melos?. Melo wants the ff and I believe Phil will give him the tools

1. Rebounding
2. Good bench
3. Since Melo got here the perimeter defence from the guards have been attroious
4 . Second option. Phil will give him 2.

I strongly believe if he gets the tools we can 45 wins and make it to the conference final. My 2 cents

newyorker4ever · Post #235 » by **newyorker4ever** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:37 am

Bobbyydee wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
fullermd wrote:My dream l/u would not include bargs or Melo. Team culture and leadership is formed and perpetuated first by the vet players, then by the coach, unless the coach has an exceptionally strong character an inordinate influence. Jason Kidd is a prime example. Having him in the locker room set the culture for the Knicks to finish on top of the east. Look at what he's done with the bucks. Amazing. Our problem is the vet leadership. The roster that started this year, from sheer talent perspective, was a playoff team. We need to clean house. Even melo needs to go for some high character and energy players.

But Melo isn't going anywhere so why even waste the time to say this? Are you saying that with Melo we can't build a winning team??

When u hire someone u give them the tools to succeed. Isaiah had his Defence on the perimeter, 2nd option in scoring in Dumas and Acguire, as well as a good bench Bird got his Defence and rebounding second option in Parish and Machale, Jordan got his Defence and rebounding from Grant and Rodman and second option in Pippen where is Melos?. Melo wants the ff and I believe Phil will give him the tools

1. Rebounding
2. Good bench
3. Since Melo got here the perimeter defence from the guards have been attroious
4 . Second option. Phil will give him 2.

I strongly believe if he gets the tools we can 45 wins and make it to the conference final. My 2 cents

Yeah i'm on record on here saying i think Phil has already done a good job so far in getting us cap space and getting rid of the bad contracts and bad locker room players and i think he's gonna do just what needs to be done to build this team around Melo and in two years we'll have a team that's a contending team.

el13adnino · Post #236 » by **el13adnino** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:57 am

in 2 years, melo will be on the decline

Bobbyydee · Post #237 » by **Bobbyydee** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:13 am

el13adnino wrote:in 2 years, melo will be on the decline

kl
I really don't think so Jordan scored and played at 40 and scored 40 and went to the all star game that year. Kobe, KGwere excellent players all stars age 30-33. Melo good years should be next 3 years. He needs a good back up and he does well in 4 quarter if he plays 38 minutes night.

nykballa2k4 · Post #238 » by **nykballa2k4** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 4:44 am

riter wrote:
siar617 wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:Karl Towns will be Phil's Pau Gasol.

So is Monroe Bynum?

Yeah, if it's Towns/Monroe than Monroe would be Gasol and Towns Bynum.
But if it's something like Hibbert/Towns(or another elite D center) and Towns can be Gasol with elite D--now you're talking.

Towns-Hibbert would be a nice duo...

Juco24 · Post #239 » by **Juco24** » Tue Mar 3, 2015 6:24 pm

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Post #240 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Mar 3, 2015 6:34 pm

I'll just throw a wildcard (a wild wildcard) out there that if Presti sees a guy in the top 3 he'd like, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he offers Westbrook to the Knicks in exchange for Phil drafting for him. Westbrook is a risk to leave OKC and sign elsewhere, and a rookie contract deal would be valuable to OKC who could then theoretically sign someone to play with Durant, along with that top 3 pick and Ibaka.

Add in Westbrook's knees and craziness, and I think a guy like Presti could be tempted by a breakout strategy such as this, if he thinks he can get Durant on board with it.

Likely no, but it's not discussed at all and I think it's ... a possibility.

Now with ALL that said, our pick and a lot of cap room for Westbrook with Melo and whoever else we can sign? I'd pass lol.