OFFICIAL: 2014/2015 OFFSEASON THREAD

Komodo · Post #1881 » by **Komodo** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 1:05 am

Santoki wrote:
dballislife wrote:why arent we spending the whatever little bit of extra money we have on bullpen depth, doesn't look like we getting a late innings guy...but man we shoulda at least looked into decent 6-7 innings guys for depth, like we adding depth everywhere else but the area in which we need the most depth and help

We signed about 9 minor-league deals for relievers like 3 weeks ago. The only way they add the kind of guy you're looking for is through a Navarro trade later in the season. You're just going to have to get over it. It's not going to happen. They aren't even signing any guaranteed deals for other positions. They're all minor league/spring training fodder that will only make the team if they blow the doors off the place in ST. The Jays had no money all offseason. They've reduced their payroll from last year. If AA had any actual money to spend he would have done it. It's not a choice.

That's a damn shame.

Raps_Swingman · Post #1882 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:39 am

Michael Bradley wrote:Pillar has options left, so it wouldn't surprise me if Viciedo makes the team while Pillar shuffles in and out of Buffalo depending on need. While AA's been better this off-season in determining value, he has always been a big fan of raw power guys based on his history. Viciedo, if nothing else, has a lot of raw power. He just brings nothing else to the table. This seems like Fat Juan part II, especially if they actually think he could play 1B/LF/3B as was Tweeted earlier.

He's young enough to where a little adjustment to his approach, combined with his power, might make him a serviceable player, but as of now he's easily the worst position player who has any chance of making the big league roster.

Fat Juan 2.0 is exactly what I was thinking as well. Maybe we run him out there for a few games if he has a decent spring and he hits for some power which Pillar can't provide. He should, under no circumstances, be playing any LF defence.

Get what you can out of his bat then dump him is my thinking, especially since Pillar has options.

s e n s i · Post #1883 » by **s e n s i** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:55 am

according to john lott, gibby "wasn't particularly enthusiastic about the notion of Dayan Viciedo helping the Blue Jays"

Santoki · Post #1884 » by **Santoki** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 12:37 pm

Raps_Swingman wrote:
Michael Bradley wrote:Pillar has options left, so it wouldn't surprise me if Viciedo makes the team while Pillar shuffles in and out of Buffalo depending on need. While AA's been better this off-season in determining value, he has always been a big fan of raw power guys based on his history. Viciedo, if nothing else, has a lot of raw power. He just brings nothing else to the table. This seems like Fat Juan part II, especially if they actually think he could play 1B/LF/3B as was Tweeted earlier.

He's young enough to where a little adjustment to his approach, combined with his power, might make him a serviceable player, but as of now he's easily the worst position player who has any chance of making the big league roster.

Fat Juan 2.0 is exactly what I was thinking as well. Maybe we run him out there for a few games if he has a decent spring and he hits for some power which Pillar can't provide. He should, under no circumstances, be playing any LF defence.

Get what you can out of his bat then dump him is my thinking, especially since Pillar has options.

There's no way he makes the team for $2.5 million and then they dump him after a month.

Raps_Swingman · Post #1885 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:19 pm

Santoki wrote:
Raps_Swingman wrote:
Michael Bradley wrote:Pillar has options left, so it wouldn't surprise me if Viciedo makes the team while Pillar shuffles in and out of Buffalo depending on need. While AA's been better this off-season in determining value, he has always been a big fan of raw power guys based on his history. Viciedo, if nothing else, has a lot of raw power. He just brings nothing else to the table. This seems like Fat Juan part II, especially if they actually think he could play 1B/LF/3B as was Tweeted earlier.

He's young enough to where a little adjustment to his approach, combined with his power, might make him a serviceable player, but as of now he's easily the worst position player who has any chance of making the big league roster.

Fat Juan 2.0 is exactly what I was thinking as well. Maybe we run him out there for a few games if he has a decent spring and he hits for some power which Pillar can't provide. He should, under no circumstances, be playing any LF defence.

Get what you can out of his bat then dump him is my thinking, especially since Pillar has options.

There's no way he makes the team for $2.5 million and then they dump him after a month.

Why not? I'm sure it would be more then a month, but at that point someone will take a chance on him before he lands in Buffalo. He's 25....young by baseball standards. Even if he's erratic.

Raps_Swingman · Post #1886 » by **Raps_Swingman** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 2:20 pm

s e n s i wrote:according to john lott, gibby "wasn't particularly enthusiastic about the notion of Dayan Viciedo helping the Blue Jays"

His quote was "He was available....." haha Gibby.

Santoki · Post #1887 » by **Santoki** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:14 pm

Raps_Swingman wrote:
Santoki wrote:
Raps_Swingman wrote:Fat Juan 2.0 is exactly what I was thinking as well. Maybe we run him out there for a few games if he has a decent spring and he hits for some power which Pillar can't provide. He should, under no circumstances, be playing any LF defence.

Get what you can out of his bat then dump him is my thinking, especially since Pillar has options.

There's no way he makes the team for $2.5 million and then they dump him after a month.

Why not? I'm sure it would be more then a month, but at that point someone will take a chance on him before he lands in Buffalo. He's 25....young by baseball standards. Even if he's erratic.

Because they have so little money if any available that I don't think they'll waste potentially half of it on a guy to take a flier on. If he makes the team at that price you'd have to think he's here for the long haul. Hence the comparison to Fat Juan.

rarefind · Post #1888 » by **rarefind** » Mon Mar 2, 2015 3:58 pm

Not sure the problem with Viciedo. Still relatively young, history of hitting for power. This is Juan Francisco v2 but with a slightly better opportunity to perhaps improve his approach at the plate. AA needs to dumpster dive when his Rogers issued credit card is maxed out, not sure what else you expect him to do. If Navarro gets traded, this is just another guy who may be able to DH a bit. Mayberry Jr. might have been a better option but Vicideo has more upside TBH. They get a free look at him during camp, if they think it isn't worth it then he will get cut.

Post #1889 » by **Schad** » Tue Mar 3, 2015 3:19 am

Kiley McDaniel with another Vlad Guerrero Jr update:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/july-2nd ... nto-focus/

Vladimir Guerrero, Jr., RF, Dominican

I’ve written about Guerrero a good bit in the past and not just because of his name; he’s arguably the top prospect in this year’s class. I say arguably because, at this age, it’s almost impossible to get a unanimous opinion from scouts on anyone and it should probably always be that way, given the uncertainty. The first thing fans ask me about Guerrero is if he had his dad’s arm and right now, he doesn’t. It ranges from fringy to solid average by the day, but he’s still going to add a good bit of weight and it’ll likely improve, so I’ll project him in right field.

Guerrero ran a 7.25 in the 60 at this showcase, which is 40-45 speed on the 20-80 scale, and he showed above average to plus bat speed and power, which likely end up at the top end of that range at maturity. He didn’t perform very well in the two games I saw, but I’m told he’s looked much better in terms of game hitting performance in the past. Guerrero’s draw is big bat speed, big power and physical projection, along with the bat control and feel to hit to tap into those skills in games.

I reported earlier that Guerrero has a deal with the Blue Jays for $3.2 million, but I’m now told the number actually starts with a four, with most sources saying it’s $4.4 million or $4.5 million. The Jays can trade for up to $3.486 million in their bonus pool, so if this deal goes down as expected, this would push them into the penalty range.

So yeah...if that's the figure, it means that we're in no-way-around-it over the pool territory. And as such, the only sensible thing to do is to keep spending; the bigger penalty isn't the tax, it's the restrictions the following year, so it's time to go nuts.

Wo1verine · Post #1890 » by **Wo1verine** » Tue Mar 3, 2015 5:44 am

Exactly spend, spend, and spend some more!

SharoneWright · Post #1891 » by **SharoneWright** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 5:51 am

Navarro for Ethier at 50% discount.
http://baseball.realgm.com/wiretap/4208 ... t-In-Trade

Nights King · Post #1892 » by **Nights King** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 7:10 am

SharoneWright wrote:Navarro for Ethier at 50% discount.
http://baseball.realgm.com/wiretap/4208 ... t-In-Trade

Ethier is owed 52 million in the next three years and there's a team option that could vest for another 18 million with a 2.5 million dollar buyout. So that's 55 million guaranteed, he's barely worth a quarter of that let alone half.