phrazbit wrote:SF88 wrote:
People keep pouting off this "BUT WE'RE THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE" crap as if we have Anthony Davis, Andrew Wiggins, Giannis Adekoumpo, Kyrie Irving, Rudy Gobert, etc all on the team. Like you said, Len is the only prospect in the rotation that actually has strong potential to be a star of any sort. Being the youngest team doesn't mean squat if you don't have good prospects who play. Again, Minnesota actually has guys like Wiggins, Lavine, Mohammad, Dieng etc. Now I know their not all gonna be stars or anything but their all excellent prospects who have the potential for it and they've shown at least flashes of it in the playing time they've got. And Bledsoe will be 26 next season, he's not all that young.
As for the constant "BUT WE HAVE A WINNING TEAM" mantra, we're 31-29. We're barely 2 games over .500 and that's because we took advantage of a super easy schedule to start off the season.
Suns are 3-12 in the month of February.
How can one be "barely" something as specific as 2 games over .500? You are or you aren't. And a few posts back you mentioned Wiggins as "barely" a rookie... how is this possible? Is he perpetually stuck in summer league? Or is it because the Wolves are so pathetic they don't count as a professional team?
No one said we're the "youngest team in the league", no one is saying we have a superstar. Rather its YOU who is making the grand proclamation of "WE HAVE NOTHING TO BE POSITIVE ABOUT", because apparently the "only" way to be positive about a team is to be either contending for a title or to be an absolute dumpster fire. Furthermore it seems Dieng, at age 25, is a young player worth getting hyped about... but Bledsoe, roughly 40 days older? "Not all that young". Its especially wild that despite being 2 years younger than Dieng a guy like Knight is not worth caring about.
It sucks when facts get in the way of a nice uniformed bunch of nonsense. Like when, in an effort to say the Suns have a terrible future, you accidentally linked a poll showing fans consider the Suns to have one of the brightest futures. Or when claiming the Wolves are a super exciting club to any unbiased observer the fact that they're dead last in attendance was ignored.
SF88 now states that youth and picks, those do nothing for him... which is odd, because that only seems to be the case when applied to the Suns. When viewing any other team youth and picks are objects of wonderment and admiration... so long as the team is also terrible.
Then add in the "Wiggins is 10x better than anyone on the Suns Roster--really? First off, we didn't have an opportunity to get Wiggins. We didn't draft 1st, nor had Kevin Love to trade. And secondly, a guy with a PER hovering in the 14 range is not all that impressive. As a matter of fact, Goodwin has a higher PER with 1/10 the playing time. And why is Wiggins playing 35 minutes a game? Because they don't have anyone better to play. They play all of their younger rookies because they have to. Some may call that development, but that's more indicative of being forced into playing them.
Minnesota has (25 or younger): Wiggins, Lavine, Rubio, Dieng, Payne, Bennett, Muhammed, and Robinson.
Suns have (25 or younger): Len, Kieff, Mook, Bledsoe, Knight, Warren, Goodwin, and Bullock.
Yeah, I'll take our young crew over theirs any day of the week. Wiggins MAY turn out to be better than Len, but right now, he certainly is not better, and outside of 300 or so minutes played last year, Len is essentially a rookie. And as a matter of fact, I'd venture to say that Wiggins probably has more overall minutes than Len. Then look down the rest of the list. I would take Kieff, Bledsoe, Knight, and Warren over any other player on that list.
We actually start 4 of our young group, while Minnesota only starts 2. So all this "we don't develop our young" is complete BS. And so is the "we took advantage of an easy schedule" junk. We played more road games than any other team the first 35-40 games, and also had more back-2-backs than most of the rest of the league. The reason we had a poor February was due to all the trade nonsense with Dragic, and revamping a large portion of our core group. Let's say we give them 20 games to figure it out, huh?
Facts! They get in the way, don't they? But seriously, you guys can stop quoting him now.