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Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate

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Re: Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness 

Post#21 » by Southpaw » Mon Mar 2, 2015 7:13 pm

Morten Jensen wrote:I just saw this.

He won't mention, when as a toddler in Sudan, being taught to seek cover under his bed at the sound of gunfire. He'll also bypass those beatings at school in Egypt. And it's not even that time the Bulls' plane caught fire and lost two engines amid an emergency landing two years ago. Instead, it was in a hospital as his body failed him and his faith waned in Chicago's medical staff, a feeling that lingers among some Bulls players.


Fearing meningitis after Deng became ill heading into the 2013 playoffs, team doctors ordered a spinal tap test, which came back negative. Deng was released from the hospital and cleared to play during Chicago's second-round series against Miami. But Deng continued to feel terrible. Only by going outside the team -- including, according to sources, back-channel help from other teams -- did he discover he had been leaking fluid since the diagnostic procedure.

The entire process called into question why he was ever cleared to play. Citing privacy issues, the Bulls have repeatedly declined media requests to address Deng's condition at the time. But Deng insists it felt like the closest he's ever come to death.

"I've never been in a situation where I was afraid for my life," Deng said. "That's how deep it was. The whole situation, there wasn't trust. There was miscommunication between the team and doctors. I wasn't told the proper procedure to take care of myself. It was just mishandled."


"I remember my friend coming over and was like, 'It's a spinal leak.' My friend was calling the team doctor and her response was like, 'I don't think so.' And my friend told the doctor, 'If you don't do (something), I'm taking him to a different hospital.' So I called my agent and asked for a different hospital."


Jesus Christ. That's horrible.


That part caught my eye too. No wonder Deng refused our contract offer then signed with miami in the offseason with same amount per year.
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Re: Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate 

Post#22 » by DanTown8587 » Mon Mar 2, 2015 7:16 pm

AirGordon7 wrote:why hasn't Cole been fired?

twice he screwed up and misdiagnosed a player and they were not only serious but he actually refused to revise his opinion after a complaint of still feeling bad


Brian Cole was not involved in Deng's spinal tap in any way.
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Re: Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate 

Post#23 » by kodo » Tue Mar 3, 2015 2:27 am

The issue Luol had with the Bulls was that the team doctors DID NOT monitor him during this procedure and he was left to routine care in a Chicago hospital.

So it was more about what the team physicians did not do, not what they did.

But he was upset that the Bulls’ team physicians accompanied the team to Miami for the start of the series, leaving him alone in a Chicago hospital as he lost 15 pounds and became violently ill as spinal fluid leaked into his body. Deng was sick for weeks afterward.

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Post#24 » by League Circles » Tue Mar 3, 2015 4:06 am

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samwana wrote:
Mech Engineer wrote:It is really disgusting to read this about the medical staff. When Deng says his friend called the team doctor, is it Dr. Cole or somebody else? It gives me a pause on the Derrick's injuries. Deng says something is wrong and they say "no". It sounds more like a ego trip by the team doctor/medical staff. They do not want to be doubted on their decisions.

I am not concerned about a mistaken diagnosis but when the patient says something is not right, you still hold on to your old decision??? That's concerning and good for Derrick to say screw them because I don't feel right. But, Derrick's reputation has been damaged in the media and he is in a no-win situation.


I don't think it was Dr Cole, b/c if you read the quote:
"I remember my friend coming over and was like, 'It's a spinal leak.' My friend was calling the team doctor and her response was like, 'I don't think so.' And my friend told the doctor, 'If you don't do (something), I'm taking him to a different hospital.' So I called my agent and asked for a different hospital."


It says her response. I don't think Jen was already on the staff there, but it should be a women.


This was what was bothering me as well, really horrid story and it wasn't the first time they botched a diagnosis with Deng.

It would be a real good thing for all Bulls players to get a second opinion on all their injuries, and if there is still some resentment left with the other players it is probably a good thing to change up the medical staff.


I think it might be just the secretary or somebody taking the phone call because by all accounts, Dr. Cole is the team doctor.



The last time I checked the Bulls have about 10 physicians listed as team physicians in their media guide. Cole is the head physician I think, but he most likely had absolutely nothing to do with the spinal tap order or leak or anything. It's not his field.

He also was not responsible for not diagnosing the fracture in luol previously. That is the job of a radiologist. The Bulls don't have one on staff. An outside doc missed that.
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Re: Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate 

Post#25 » by League Circles » Tue Mar 3, 2015 4:10 am

kodo wrote:The issue Luol had with the Bulls was that the team doctors DID NOT monitor him during this procedure and he was left to routine care in a Chicago hospital.

So it was more about what the team physicians did not do, not what they did.

But he was upset that the Bulls’ team physicians accompanied the team to Miami for the start of the series, leaving him alone in a Chicago hospital as he lost 15 pounds and became violently ill as spinal fluid leaked into his body. Deng was sick for weeks afterward.

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A lumbar puncture is performed by countless ER docs everyday across the nation. No doctor "monitors" someone after having one. You have one, you get the results, and if it's clear you go home like luol. If you have complications like luol did, you seek additional treatment. It's not that complicated.
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Re: Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate 

Post#26 » by kodo » Tue Mar 3, 2015 6:14 am

Gar Paxdorf wrote:A lumbar puncture is performed by countless ER docs everyday across the nation. No doctor "monitors" someone after having one. You have one, you get the results, and if it's clear you go home like luol. If you have complications like luol did, you seek additional treatment. It's not that complicated.


I'm not saying the team physicians were at fault.

But whether it was deserved or not, this was the issue Deng brought up especially during contract negotations.
Luol felt neglected in some way.

The Bulls issued the spinal tap to test for viral meningitis, and sources at the time indicated Deng complained of his post-procedure care, which featured unfamiliar doctors, no visits from team personnel and the lack of a private hospital room.
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Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate 

Post#27 » by RebuildaBulls » Tue Mar 3, 2015 1:49 pm

Gar Paxdorf wrote:
kodo wrote:The issue Luol had with the Bulls was that the team doctors DID NOT monitor him during this procedure and he was left to routine care in a Chicago hospital.

So it was more about what the team physicians did not do, not what they did.

But he was upset that the Bulls’ team physicians accompanied the team to Miami for the start of the series, leaving him alone in a Chicago hospital as he lost 15 pounds and became violently ill as spinal fluid leaked into his body. Deng was sick for weeks afterward.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... cal-staff/



A lumbar puncture is performed by countless ER docs everyday across the nation. No doctor "monitors" someone after having one. You have one, you get the results, and if it's clear you go home like luol. If you have complications like luol did, you seek additional treatment. It's not that complicated.



Lumbar punctures are common and typically safe but they are monitored, there are always chances of complications for those kinds of procedures and I've seen one gone wrong during my time (i was a medical resident before)
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Re: Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness 

Post#28 » by 23forever » Tue Mar 3, 2015 4:45 pm

Mark K wrote:There is a documentary in all this. Get on it, Grantland.


Agreed. Color me intrigued for the Serge one, but I'm sure they could do Lu's story some justice as well.
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Re: Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate 

Post#29 » by Mech Engineer » Tue Mar 3, 2015 6:01 pm

It is not about the technicality of the scope or operation. They are qualified for that. There is no question about it.

But, the process from top down on how to handle patient complaints, issues which is broken down. Deng's friend called and they dismissed it and that too on a multi-million dollar investment.

Whoever is in the top of the food chain in that department seems to be the problem for not putting in a process.
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Luol Deng's Path of Righteousness / Medical Staff Debate 

Post#30 » by BoocheeMan1117 » Tue Mar 3, 2015 6:25 pm

Thibs didn't ruin Luol. Lu's decision to play through a bum wrist that needed surgery and those spinal tap issues did the trick.

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