PC Board OT thread

[E-Balla]

Dragic in Miami...Didn't see that one coming. The fact that he wanted out of Phoenix isn't really surprising to me, he seemed to be clearly underutilized this year, with the three PG rotation, but I didn't expect the Heat to get him.

Heat probably won't have to worry about making the playoffs anymore. If Wade and Bosh will be relatively healthy for the playoffs, I can see them being a dark horse in the East. Wade, Bosh, Dragic and Deng is some pretty decent talent...

What do you think about this trade, guys?

I think the bucks screwed up by trading knight mid playoff push just because they don't want to pay him? MCW is a talented, but flawed PG with the high TO rate and abysmal scoring efficiency. I'm sure that will improve somewhat going to a much better team in the bucks, but they had really developed chemistry with knight running the show.

Dragic will help miami a lot, and should be able to produce more now that there's less of a log jam at the guard spot. I think wade being healthy is a pipe dream at this point, but sure, they could get lucky and have him for a playoff push. I've still been disappointed with the fact that spoelstra couldn't keep them around 500 in the east even with wade in and out of the lineup. Sorta re-affirms my feelings that he's just an average coach, and not on the same level as a similar young coach like vogel.

Well Knight is crap as a starting PG. They traded the guy leading their offense (that's somehow managed to play better with Jerryd Bayless running point) to mediocrity. They have a 103.2 ORTG with Knight on the floor and they're outscored by 0.3 pp 100 possessions with him on the floor. Now MCW is even worse but at least we can hope he will fill into his role as a passer which is where he should have been playing. Plus when Jabari is back I'll much rather have someone looking to get him involved and not someone that freezes him out when he's having a career night and dragged the team to OT (like Knight did in the Nets game).

[Dr Spaceman]

2,160 words, and I've barely covered half of the trade deadline.

Anyway, part 1 of my trade deadline piece is up now: https://rootingforgoliath.wordpress.com ... ap-part-i/

[ceiling raiser]

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RTC - It says you disabled receipt of PMs so I'll respond here.

I didn't actually create the site (Gorba is actually the site creator), I'm just a researcher for them. I don't actually have much experience in web design, but maybe someone in this thread can help.

[RightToCensor]

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RTC - It says you disabled receipt of PMs so I'll respond here.

I didn't actually create the site (Gorba is actually the site creator), I'm just a researcher for them. I don't actually have much experience in web design, but maybe someone in this thread can help.

Fixed my PM issue.

And thanks for the info, I'm looking in this thread and this is mainly all BB Talk. Unless there is a specific poster in here that has their own website.

[Moonbeam]

I was thinking of a sort of different peaks/player of the year project, in which posters rate player seasons on a 0-10 scale based on how they see fit, and the results are then compiled. I think a problem with RPOY is that certain years are more competitive than others. So you could rate, say, 90-91 Jordan as a 10 and the best from the year, but 13-14 Durant as a 9.6 and the best from the year - something like that would help to address the issue of year strength, and also field a deeper pool of players for each year. I suppose posters could rate any number of players that they wish - I could come up with a way to account for different sized lists.

[penbeast0]

I was thinking of a sort of different peaks/player of the year project, in which posters rate player seasons on a 0-10 scale based on how they see fit, and the results are then compiled. I think a problem with RPOY is that certain years are more competitive than others. So you could rate, say, 90-91 Jordan as a 10 and the best from the year, but 13-14 Durant as a 9.6 and the best from the year - something like that would help to address the issue of year strength, and also field a deeper pool of players for each year. I suppose posters could rate any number of players that they wish - I could come up with a way to account for different sized lists.

That moves the discussion away from opinions that can be strongly supported by head to head and statistical comparison to opinions that are much more fuzzy and open to personal prejudice. I don't think you will come close to the level of discussion Doc got in the RPOY thread which was really good.

Appreciate the thinking though . . . I wasn't sure the RPOY project would work either so I could be very very wrong.

[Dr Spaceman]

I was thinking of a sort of different peaks/player of the year project, in which posters rate player seasons on a 0-10 scale based on how they see fit, and the results are then compiled. I think a problem with RPOY is that certain years are more competitive than others. So you could rate, say, 90-91 Jordan as a 10 and the best from the year, but 13-14 Durant as a 9.6 and the best from the year - something like that would help to address the issue of year strength, and also field a deeper pool of players for each year. I suppose posters could rate any number of players that they wish - I could come up with a way to account for different sized lists.

That moves the discussion away from opinions that can be strongly supported by head to head and statistical comparison to opinions that are much more fuzzy and open to personal prejudice. I don't think you will come close to the level of discussion Doc got in the RPOY thread which was really good.

Appreciate the thinking though . . . I wasn't sure the RPOY project would work either so I could be very very wrong.

Maybe we can build on existing RPOY data.

So for example, we'll use your 10 point scale above and assign every season a "quality rating" to adjust for competition level (That would be the crux of the project), and then you could assign a rating system to the players voted on in RPOY (maybe do like RPOY shares, similar to MVP shares where you get points for what place you're voted for). That would give you 2 working data points to start, and then building on the SRS formula (MOV+SOS=SRS) we could do something like this:

RPOY shares + strength of season = player season rating

I'd be willing to help with this.

[Clyde Frazier]

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[Quotatious]

Damn...Really feel bad for the guy. It seemed like he was finally getting back on the right track, and now this happens...

[GSP]

Its a shame but he wasnt playing that well like a below avg Pg this season. Lets hope this doesnt continue for '10s era players like Kd, Steph, Russ, Ad, George or its gonna be a very mediocre alltime era

[Dr Spaceman]

Speaking of the Sixers, Grantland’s Rafe Bartholomew had the best take on Philly’s never-ending spin cycle of assets and lottery picks, which hasn’t led to anything remotely tangible yet: He believes that Hinkie is running the NBA’s first pyramid scheme. Good news, everyone: I flipped some ambiguously tangible assets for a few less-tangible ambiguous assets with a slightly greater ceiling, only it’s going to take even longer for us to turn this around, so GET YOUR SEASON TICKET MONEY IN NOW. Just change his name to Sam Ponzi.

[Clyde Frazier]

Speaking of the Sixers, Grantland’s Rafe Bartholomew had the best take on Philly’s never-ending spin cycle of assets and lottery picks, which hasn’t led to anything remotely tangible yet: He believes that Hinkie is running the NBA’s first pyramid scheme. Good news, everyone: I flipped some ambiguously tangible assets for a few less-tangible ambiguous assets with a slightly greater ceiling, only it’s going to take even longer for us to turn this around, so GET YOUR SEASON TICKET MONEY IN NOW. Just change his name to Sam Ponzi.

Yeah, I listened to the BS report with chuck klosterman yesterday (most recent ep in link below), and they discuss this further in depth.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=2864045

They start talking about it like halfway through. I’m all for the full blowup rebuilding through the draft + collecting assets method. As a knicks fan, it’s something most of us have wanted since ewing was traded.

My problem with hinkie’s extreme plan is intentionally drafting players he know won’t play that season, and then trading away players they’ve begun to develop who’ve showed promise. Brett Brown even made his frustration public when they traded brandon davies. Of course he has great job security, but you can tell from his personality that he’s all about getting these guys to improve. I can imagine it’s starting to wane on him.

It seems as if developing chemistry with a core group of young players is largely secondary to eventually trading for a star player. There’s still some luck involved with pulling off an assets for star move, and i’m not sure the sixers ever get there. Morey’s path to acquiring harden and dwight is certainly impressive and interesting, and it’s commendable that he’s kept the team competitive over the years. At the end of the day, though, it still hasn’t yielded results.

Since taking over in 07-08, the rockets have only made it out of the 1st round once, and missed the playoffs 3 times. He just seems to fly under the radar of criticism due to his approach as a GM. Most GMs who’ve been with the same team that long without a deep playoff run would have their jobs in question.

[PaulieWal]

Yeah, I heard the BS report as well. You know, I have been down with Philly's plan and willingness to do a complete tear down which many teams are foolishly not willing to do. Where I do disagree with their strategy is that they are really not building anything of value in Philly. I think it's foolish to assume that you will find something of value out of nowhere and then start winning. As far as I recall, Houston was in the playoff race the season before they got Harden. Hinkie is supposedly following Morey's strategy of collecting assets but IIRC Houston had Lin and Asik signed even before they had traded for Harden.

Hinkie needs to get out of this pick collection mode and start building a real roster. He already has Embiid on his roster and this season they are likely to get another high-draft pick. If they continue to field these garbage rosters even next season I will be disappointed. The thing Hinkie may not understand is that even if he finds a star that he can trade for, what is the star coming to in Philly? A D-league roster and a team with no culture, no player stability, nothing.

Hinkie has enough assets to stop the tanking and start building something. The funny thing is even as he starts building for real Philly will not be good the next couple of years with their young players so they will still be getting high-draft picks. If he continues this strategy next season then I am inclined to agree with his detractors.

[Cavs0623]

I think next season they start moving along with their plan. Ive always thought there plan was to use this season to find role players to stick around Embiid and whoever they draft this year. And clear out the younger guys that weren't part of the plan. With all the picks they have I wouldn't be surprised if they dont package those for older role players during the draft.


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[ceiling raiser]

Maybe someone can help me with this...

Somebody recently posted a long-ish quote from ElGee in a thread (I think in the last week or two), in which he discussed offensive balance/tipping points/saturation or something to that extent. Looks like the site's searchbar isn't working, and the thread isn't showing up on Google.

Anybody remember the thread?

[Clyde Frazier]

[ronnymac2]

Maybe someone can help me with this...

Somebody recently posted a long-ish quote from ElGee in a thread (I think in the last week or two), in which he discussed offensive balance/tipping points/saturation or something to that extent. Looks like the site's searchbar isn't working, and the thread isn't showing up on Google.

Anybody remember the thread?

viewtopic.php?t=1142604&start=40

Not sure, has stuff about cohesion though, and the phrase "tipping point."

[bondom34]

UGA epic choked.

[ceiling raiser]

Isiah with another gem on NBATV...

Said Ray Allen not ruling out playing next year, given his age, is an indictment of how weak the league has become.

[trex_8063]

Anybody willing to return to the top 100 project and either A) cast vote for Chris Bosh for #87 (to side-step a run-off), or B) vote for one of the other guys who have received a vote to get us into a run-off? We're otherwise just stuck in limbo there.....

EDIT: Actually, one more vote for Bosh won't end it. Argh!
Still, anyone......