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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

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IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?

1) Yes, I believe it is time for EG to go now.
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2) Ted should let him go at the end of the season.
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3) No, Ted needs to give him more time..(DESPITE THE FACT ERNIE HAS BEEN GM SINCE 2003 AND WASHINGTON HAS THE THIRD WORST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE IN THAT SPAN)
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Total votes: 89

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1361 » by payitforward » Mon Mar 2, 2015 8:37 pm

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"Nobody is going to be added to the team. That's the reality of it," coach Randy Wittman said after the Wizards lost by 20 points to the Minnesota Timberwolves earlier in the week.


I despise Ted & Ernie, they are perfectly fine with limping into the playoffs with who they have. The team will have an up-tick as Beal gets healthy, and that's good-enough for Ted.

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1362 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Mar 2, 2015 9:38 pm

Grunfeld suggested the Wizards' problem since the All-Star break has been a decline in their defense. And, he suggested their problems will be solved when they play better defense, get out on the fast break and "compete" on a nightly basis.

The Wizards since the All-Star break:

- Pace: 96.7 possessions per 48 minutes (3.0 possessions faster than their season average)
- Ortg: 93.4 (10.8 points per 100 possessions worse than their season average)
- Drtg: 108.3 (4.8 points per 100 possessions worse then their season average)

So, leaving aside the fact that offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency are (and have been) basically uncorrelated -- almost like they happen at opposite ends of the floor or something -- a) playing at a faster pace hasn't helped the Wizards since the All-Star break, and b) the team's offensive decline is more than double their drop-off in defense.

In terms of relationship between offense and defense, if anything, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play better defense when they're playing worse on offense.

In terms of relationship between pace and offensive efficiency, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play WORSE offensively in faster-paced games.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1363 » by nuposse04 » Mon Mar 2, 2015 9:47 pm

Don't try to use facts and reason against EG...ain't a little thing like reality gonna **** up EG's agenda. :/
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1364 » by closg00 » Tue Mar 3, 2015 12:10 am

Pure propaganda delivered masterfully by Ernest. Ernie spoke of the need to trade Miller as-if he had no responsibility for the said need for a "spark" of the bench or whatever way he phrased it. Incredible!!
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1365 » by montestewart » Tue Mar 3, 2015 2:49 am

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Grunfeld suggested the Wizards' problem since the All-Star break has been a decline in their defense. And, he suggested their problems will be solved when they play better defense, get out on the fast break and "compete" on a nightly basis.

The Wizards since the All-Star break:

- Pace: 96.7 possessions per 48 minutes (3.0 possessions faster than their season average)
- Ortg: 93.4 (10.8 points per 100 possessions worse than their season average)
- Drtg: 108.3 (4.8 points per 100 possessions worse then their season average)

So, leaving aside the fact that offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency are (and have been) basically uncorrelated -- almost like they happen at opposite ends of the floor or something -- a) playing at a faster pace hasn't helped the Wizards since the All-Star break, and b) the team's offensive decline is more than double their drop-off in defense.

In terms of relationship between offense and defense, if anything, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play better defense when they're playing worse on offense.

In terms of relationship between pace and offensive efficiency, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play WORSE offensively in faster-paced games.

We have the fastest PG in the league in John Wall, which is why I surrounded him with young, up and coming thoroughbreds like Gortat, Nene, Paul Pierce, and Rasual Butler.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1366 » by dckingsfan » Tue Mar 3, 2015 4:02 am

montestewart wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:Grunfeld suggested the Wizards' problem since the All-Star break has been a decline in their defense. And, he suggested their problems will be solved when they play better defense, get out on the fast break and "compete" on a nightly basis.

The Wizards since the All-Star break:

- Pace: 96.7 possessions per 48 minutes (3.0 possessions faster than their season average)
- Ortg: 93.4 (10.8 points per 100 possessions worse than their season average)
- Drtg: 108.3 (4.8 points per 100 possessions worse then their season average)

So, leaving aside the fact that offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency are (and have been) basically uncorrelated -- almost like they happen at opposite ends of the floor or something -- a) playing at a faster pace hasn't helped the Wizards since the All-Star break, and b) the team's offensive decline is more than double their drop-off in defense.

In terms of relationship between offense and defense, if anything, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play better defense when they're playing worse on offense.

In terms of relationship between pace and offensive efficiency, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play WORSE offensively in faster-paced games.

We have the fastest PG in the league in John Wall, which is why I surrounded him with young, up and coming thoroughbreds like Gortat, Nene, Paul Pierce, and Rasual Butler.


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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1367 » by nuposse04 » Tue Mar 3, 2015 6:32 pm

Everything EG makes me sick to my stomach. I ended up going to EG's wiki page to see no mention of his draft blunders. Lets see how long my edits remain >.>
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1368 » by TheSecretWeapon » Tue Mar 3, 2015 6:55 pm

nuposse04 wrote:Everything EG makes me sick to my stomach. I ended up going to EG's wiki page to see no mention of his draft blunders. Lets see how long my edits remain >.>


Oh man. That's hilarious.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1369 » by Ruzious » Tue Mar 3, 2015 7:03 pm

Holy chit, nup. Good job!

Don't do something like that to Ted's Wiki page - he'll have his Monumental minions hunt you down.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1370 » by lastemp3ror » Tue Mar 3, 2015 7:10 pm

nuposse04 wrote:Everything EG makes me sick to my stomach. I ended up going to EG's wiki page to see no mention of his draft blunders. Lets see how long my edits remain >.>


You weren't joking! Hilarious.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1371 » by nuposse04 » Tue Mar 3, 2015 7:15 pm

I find it more comical that truth about his blunders haven't been detailed yet on that platform. I wanted to detail his free agency blunders, but I'll leave that for someone with a more clever lexicon then myself.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1372 » by FAH1223 » Tue Mar 3, 2015 7:55 pm

I put some more edits there

Keeping it professional as nuposse did :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Grunfeld
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1373 » by closg00 » Tue Mar 3, 2015 8:07 pm

FAH1223 wrote:I put some more edits there

Keeping it professional as nuposse did :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Grunfeld


Sweet!! Enjoying this while it last, take screen-shots everyone :D

One of EG's board minions is frantically trying to reach the FO now probably
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Post#1374 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Mar 4, 2015 4:26 pm

should have made a trade for Shabazz Muha.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1375 » by tontoz » Wed Mar 4, 2015 4:30 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:should have made a trade for Shabazz Muha.



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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1376 » by TGW » Wed Mar 4, 2015 4:39 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:should have made a trade for Shabazz Muha.


But is he bowlegged enough? :-?
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1377 » by Dat2U » Wed Mar 4, 2015 4:44 pm

montestewart wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:Grunfeld suggested the Wizards' problem since the All-Star break has been a decline in their defense. And, he suggested their problems will be solved when they play better defense, get out on the fast break and "compete" on a nightly basis.

The Wizards since the All-Star break:

- Pace: 96.7 possessions per 48 minutes (3.0 possessions faster than their season average)
- Ortg: 93.4 (10.8 points per 100 possessions worse than their season average)
- Drtg: 108.3 (4.8 points per 100 possessions worse then their season average)

So, leaving aside the fact that offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency are (and have been) basically uncorrelated -- almost like they happen at opposite ends of the floor or something -- a) playing at a faster pace hasn't helped the Wizards since the All-Star break, and b) the team's offensive decline is more than double their drop-off in defense.

In terms of relationship between offense and defense, if anything, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play better defense when they're playing worse on offense.

In terms of relationship between pace and offensive efficiency, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play WORSE offensively in faster-paced games.

We have the fastest PG in the league in John Wall, which is why I surrounded him with young, up and coming thoroughbreds like Gortat, Nene, Paul Pierce, and Rasual Butler.


Well actually Ernie did try to surround young thoroughbreds around Wall in his inital attempt at rebuilding...but after 2 drafts that included Booker (fatest sprint time in 2010 draft), Seraphin, Vesely (supposedly drafted to be Wall's finisher on fast breaks) & Singleton (Wall's athletic 3&D guy), Ernie failed to realize that just drafting athletes because Wall was athlete was a bad idea :roll: Of course he corrected the error of his ways... well overcorrected/overreacted and went in the completely opposite direction.

But your point is dead on. We complemented our franchise guy with a roster that's quite a poor fit for him. I'm honestly surprised at how well he's played at stretches this season despite the 'grind it out' half-court attack, the 2 plodding bigs upfront, the suspect shooting on the wings and the overall lack of floor spacing that results from these issues.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1378 » by AFM » Wed Mar 4, 2015 4:45 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:should have made a trade for Shabazz Muha.


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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1379 » by Dat2U » Wed Mar 4, 2015 4:46 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:should have made a trade for Shabazz Muha.


Your analysis has stood the test of time. I give you your due sir. :nod:
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1380 » by TheSecretWeapon » Wed Mar 4, 2015 4:57 pm

Dat2U wrote:
montestewart wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:Grunfeld suggested the Wizards' problem since the All-Star break has been a decline in their defense. And, he suggested their problems will be solved when they play better defense, get out on the fast break and "compete" on a nightly basis.

The Wizards since the All-Star break:

- Pace: 96.7 possessions per 48 minutes (3.0 possessions faster than their season average)
- Ortg: 93.4 (10.8 points per 100 possessions worse than their season average)
- Drtg: 108.3 (4.8 points per 100 possessions worse then their season average)

So, leaving aside the fact that offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency are (and have been) basically uncorrelated -- almost like they happen at opposite ends of the floor or something -- a) playing at a faster pace hasn't helped the Wizards since the All-Star break, and b) the team's offensive decline is more than double their drop-off in defense.

In terms of relationship between offense and defense, if anything, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play better defense when they're playing worse on offense.

In terms of relationship between pace and offensive efficiency, the Wizards show a very slight tendency to play WORSE offensively in faster-paced games.

We have the fastest PG in the league in John Wall, which is why I surrounded him with young, up and coming thoroughbreds like Gortat, Nene, Paul Pierce, and Rasual Butler.


Well actually Ernie did try to surround young thoroughbreds around Wall in his inital attempt at rebuilding...but after 2 drafts that included Booker (fatest sprint time in 2010 draft), Seraphin, Vesely (supposedly drafted to be Wall's finisher on fast breaks) & Singleton (Wall's athletic 3&D guy), Ernie failed to realize that just drafting athletes because Wall was athlete was a bad idea :roll: Of course he corrected the error of his ways... well overcorrected/overreacted and went in the completely opposite direction.

But your point is dead on. We complemented our franchise guy with a roster that's quite a poor fit for him. I'm honestly surprised at how well he's played at stretches this season despite the 'grind it out' half-court attack, the 2 plodding bigs upfront, the suspect shooting on the wings and the overall lack of floor spacing that results from these issues.


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