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kennydorglas wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Sounded like a pretty heated game. Any other highlights other than Len V Whiteside, Goran/Morris flagrant and Morris/Heat Player #6 flagrant?
nah, it was a really weird game (tyler johnson career game and beasley destroying mook)
denial wrote:I'm tired of hearing how much better we are than 18,19,20 months ago. That is a cherry-picked argument.
I could sit here and say "look how much better we are than the 1963 Suns" or "Look how much better we are than the second half of 1901" or whatever. it doesn't mean anything.
How are we compared to this exact time last season? That is a much better barometer of progress. The fact is we took a step backwards, THIS SEASON.
NavLDO wrote:I nominate this for "RealGM Suns Forum 2015 Post of the Year"!! No the FO is not perfect and they made mistakes, but until they are fired, I will support their efforts. We just got insanely young in the matter of 2 hours at the end of the trade deadline. How well does everyone here expect the Suns to do, with a PG with just over 1 year starting experience, but is already a top 10 PG in the league. Our starting 5 has less than a half year of starting experience. Our starting 4 has less than a year starting experience. Our starting SG (Knight) has been in our system for what, 6 games. The starter we have with the most starting experience is probably our least talented player in Tucker. So honestly, where is the disconnect with why we are playing poorly? Yep, we're gonna stink for awhile. Had you asked McD and Horny what our starting 5 and "2nd String" players would be at this point, at the beginning of the year, I doubt that list would be even 50% accurate.
You Dragic fanboys out there need to recognize what he did--he went from "I'm gonna opt out and sign in Phx", to demanding a trade 2 days prior to the deadline. Why? Yes, McD signed too many PGs, but what was he supposed to do!??! Bledsoe created a difficult situation, McD improvised, and it backfired, but that's no excuse to quit on the team mid-season, and essentially demand a trade and limit McD's options to 3 teams. Friggin' suck it up for a couple of more months and give McD the chance to rectify the situation, which he did BTW. If he had such an issue with Bledsoe, say so before the season and work with McD to find the right team for him, instead of playing during the season, gripe and moan about the system and other players because YOU aren't performing well--because in the end, THAT'S exactly what happened. He blamed everyone else but himself when things didn't go his way.
If anyone here doesn't like McD, or Horny, but really like Dragic, than please, spare us Suns' fans the drama, and go be a Heat fan--you'll be much happier, I'm sure, and so will the rest of us Suns' fans. Expecting a 25-57 team from 20 months ago to improve to be a top 4 seed is flat out unrealistic. I've said it more than a few times. If by '16/'17 season we haven't improved into a viable playoff team, then yes, maybe then it's time to look at "new mgmt," but until then, for goodness sakes, be patient--the team is going to have ups and downs, and that's exactly what's happening--we've had ups and some downs--it happens.
denial wrote:I'm tired of hearing how much better we are than 18,19,20 months ago. That is a cherry-picked argument.
I could sit here and say "look how much better we are than the 1963 Suns" or "Look how much better we are than the second half of 1901" or whatever. it doesn't mean anything.
How are we compared to this exact time last season? That is a much better barometer of progress. The fact is we took a step backwards, THIS SEASON.
letsgosuns wrote:Well based on some of the comments I am reading by Hornacek, I think he has lost the team. They do not have any respect for him and he is also just badmouthing them now. Here are some of the comments from this article http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /24346709/
"You want to just play, go play in a rec league," Hornacek said after Monday's loss.
"We've got to keep reiterating the same stuff to them," Hornacek said. "We can't assume they are going to remember it every day."
"It's a hard balance," Hornacek said. "We're not out of it. You never know what could happen. We're trying to get them in. Yet you go, 'The veteran guys are going to give you your best chance.' It might turn out that those younger guys are the ones who give you the best chance."
If the coach has to tell players the same things over and over and they refuse to do it, it shows a lack of respect for the coach. I know the players on the team are low iq players but there are certain things the same players did last year or earlier in the year that they are not doing now. Total lack of focus and effort. I think Hornacek is soft on these players. I knew he was soft from the moment he did not discipline Marcus Morris when Marcus berated him during a game. All he said was oh it is over with now. Marcus apologized. It is fine. Okay coach sure. Seriously if a Spurs player did that to Popovich during a game he would be kicked off the team. I remember that Stephen Jackson was cut right before the playoffs because he was not getting along with Popovich. I think there is going to be a MAJOR overhaul of this team this summer.
bwgood77 wrote:GoranTragic wrote:This thread and this forum have gone to ****. I'm not really surprised by the fact that we are losing games. Our "star player" decided to take a dump on the FO and now we have to restart the entire process.
Having said that you guys are toxic and I hope you hit your head on the door when you leave the house
It has gone down the ****. Lets try and figure out who has signed up in the last couple of weeks so we can pinpoint it.
SF88 wrote:letsgosuns wrote:Well based on some of the comments I am reading by Hornacek, I think he has lost the team. They do not have any respect for him and he is also just badmouthing them now. Here are some of the comments from this article http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /24346709/
"You want to just play, go play in a rec league," Hornacek said after Monday's loss.
"We've got to keep reiterating the same stuff to them," Hornacek said. "We can't assume they are going to remember it every day."
"It's a hard balance," Hornacek said. "We're not out of it. You never know what could happen. We're trying to get them in. Yet you go, 'The veteran guys are going to give you your best chance.' It might turn out that those younger guys are the ones who give you the best chance."
If the coach has to tell players the same things over and over and they refuse to do it, it shows a lack of respect for the coach. I know the players on the team are low iq players but there are certain things the same players did last year or earlier in the year that they are not doing now. Total lack of focus and effort. I think Hornacek is soft on these players. I knew he was soft from the moment he did not discipline Marcus Morris when Marcus berated him during a game. All he said was oh it is over with now. Marcus apologized. It is fine. Okay coach sure. Seriously if a Spurs player did that to Popovich during a game he would be kicked off the team. I remember that Stephen Jackson was cut right before the playoffs because he was not getting along with Popovich. I think there is going to be a MAJOR overhaul of this team this summer.
What the hell is he trying to say in the underlined part?
letsgosuns wrote:SF88 wrote:letsgosuns wrote:Well based on some of the comments I am reading by Hornacek, I think he has lost the team. They do not have any respect for him and he is also just badmouthing them now. Here are some of the comments from this article http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /24346709/
"You want to just play, go play in a rec league," Hornacek said after Monday's loss.
"We've got to keep reiterating the same stuff to them," Hornacek said. "We can't assume they are going to remember it every day."
"It's a hard balance," Hornacek said. "We're not out of it. You never know what could happen. We're trying to get them in. Yet you go, 'The veteran guys are going to give you your best chance.' It might turn out that those younger guys are the ones who give you the best chance."
If the coach has to tell players the same things over and over and they refuse to do it, it shows a lack of respect for the coach. I know the players on the team are low iq players but there are certain things the same players did last year or earlier in the year that they are not doing now. Total lack of focus and effort. I think Hornacek is soft on these players. I knew he was soft from the moment he did not discipline Marcus Morris when Marcus berated him during a game. All he said was oh it is over with now. Marcus apologized. It is fine. Okay coach sure. Seriously if a Spurs player did that to Popovich during a game he would be kicked off the team. I remember that Stephen Jackson was cut right before the playoffs because he was not getting along with Popovich. I think there is going to be a MAJOR overhaul of this team this summer.
What the hell is he trying to say in the underlined part?
I think he means you expect the veteran players like the Morris brothers or Green to be the ones you can rely on to give you the best chance to win but they are not getting it done. So therefore, the younger guys like Goodwin and Warren are actually the ones that give the team the best chance to win. That is my understanding of what he said.
SF88 wrote:letsgosuns wrote:SF88 wrote:What the hell is he trying to say in the underlined part?
I think he means you expect the veteran players like the Morris brothers or Green to be the ones you can rely on to give you the best chance to win but they are not getting it done. So therefore, the younger guys like Goodwin and Warren are actually the ones that give the team the best chance to win. That is my understanding of what he said.
So he says that and yet continues to play Morris brothers and Green over Goodwin and Warren. Makes sense if your tanking I guess.
1UPZ wrote:The moves Suns have made can be regarded as side ways... but backwards?
They save cap space next season, eliminated unhappy players, got an additional first rounder, created opportunities for their youth to get minutes.... it'll be 3 steps forward by mid next season.
3rdside wrote:1UPZ wrote:The moves Suns have made can be regarded as side ways... but backwards?
They save cap space next season, eliminated unhappy players, got an additional first rounder, created opportunities for their youth to get minutes.... it'll be 3 steps forward by mid next season.
Going from 48 wins last season to 42 wins (max): This defines 'going backwards' (unless you can convince me that 42 is greater than 48).
We save cap space next season? We can amnesty a player every season to save cap space. This is not a victory. Getting good players to come here is a victory, only we seem far better at making them desperate to leave.
Eliminate unhappy players? Have you seen the police sheet on the Morris fcktards?
Got an additional first rounder? In 2021. By giving up a first rounder. And serious talent.
It'll be three steps forward by mid season? Because it's been nothing but a sharp upwards trajectory to date. McD for president I say.
SF88 wrote:letsgosuns wrote:SF88 wrote:What the hell is he trying to say in the underlined part?
I think he means you expect the veteran players like the Morris brothers or Green to be the ones you can rely on to give you the best chance to win but they are not getting it done. So therefore, the younger guys like Goodwin and Warren are actually the ones that give the team the best chance to win. That is my understanding of what he said.
So he says that and yet continues to play Morris brothers and Green over Goodwin and Warren. Makes sense if your tanking I guess.
Thats a nice rotation. Once we can trade for or sign a star we will be back in the playoffs.Saberestar wrote:SF88 wrote:letsgosuns wrote:
I think he means you expect the veteran players like the Morris brothers or Green to be the ones you can rely on to give you the best chance to win but they are not getting it done. So therefore, the younger guys like Goodwin and Warren are actually the ones that give the team the best chance to win. That is my understanding of what he said.
So he says that and yet continues to play Morris brothers and Green over Goodwin and Warren. Makes sense if your tanking I guess.
Hopefully Hornacek will play Goodwin and Warren a lot more after this comments. I think he is done with Green. I want a new rotation for the last 20 games, something like that :
Bledsoe 35'/ Knight 13'
Knight 22'/Goodwin 26'
P.J. Tucker 24'/ Warren 24'
Markieff 30'/Marcus 18'
Len 30'/Wright 18'
No more Green, Thornton or Barron...they are not part of our future and they will be FA after this season.
Bullock can play some minutes at SG or SF if we want to see his level of production on the court.