Our FO... Mo, Curly, and Larry... where's Shemp?

[Frank Lee]

In all fairness, if we have threads dedicated to Hornecek, Dragic, the MoBros, etc. discussing their contributions/impact... shouldn't we have one for the deal makers too?

as expected, this will be a stoogish eye poke, nose tweak, and face slap.... whoop whoop whoop




I think we have been sold a bill of goods guys.

This team was designed by by our own 3 stooges in the FO. They obviously wanted an uptempo style. A high octane score score score offense that they could hype to the hilt .... to sell tickets. The curse of D'Antoni was upon Sarver and he blindly was led down a pseudo SSOL path by McDuh. 3 F-n PGs , tiny ball, chuck wagon Iso hero ball..... This is what the FO wanted and we see what they CREATED. Its a horrible mix of low BBIQ players with little to no concept of team play. Some struggle just to behave.

Time wont fix stupid. And that applies to the FO too.

We have given the reigns over to a inexperienced asset collector who is desperate to add to his pile, to win a deal. This past off season was simply horrible. How hard is it to see that if he just left well enough alone and DID NOT greedily sign IT, that we could have been still building upon the success of last yr. You can't take Dragic's unhappy 'I'm F-n outta here' comments and claim he would have the same feeling if his role was the same as last yr... the same one we were winning with, the same on with one of he or bled on the court at all times. This hatred for Dragic may be justified in some eyes, but it should not mask the true problems of this team, inexperienced GM who's initial success went right to his hard noggin, a word spewing double talker team President, and a Drooling for Dollars pompous hard lining jackassian Owner. 8th seed or bust!

Signing IT was a like buying a third set of golf clubs just because they were priced right. Had McDuh quickly corrected his mistake, he would not have been so buttsore vocal with the results. He feathered Sarver's least-desirable-FO-to-play-for cap, and he gets to wear it next yr. As if his job wasn't going to be tough enough anyway.

It was a huge mistake that caused desperate reactionary moves to be made. (His ass is all in on Knight... what ever he decides to do) Blame Goran all you want, but this style, this phony ticketsales driven system is the Stooges' baby and they stubbornly forced it upon the team, us, and likely Hornecek.

I'm a big Dragic fan, no secret. As was 90% of the fans. It was a double eye poking what they did to him, to IT, to the team. Some place blame on him for not playing well to start the season. Playing too much BBall in the offseason...mad that he actually played for his tiny country on an international level. Like he should have said 'F-U Slovenia... I'm a SUN'. (woof woof ) It does not diminish his talent. nor impact. Nor the fact that he was the poster child of this so called 'Suns Culture' that is so championed by the resident blowhard mouthpiece.

Some have latched onto Dragic's comment about wanting to go to a team to run the show.... really...? He is a PG remember. Is that a far fetched request after his role here was not cut once but twice. He didn't like playing off ball, nor that wildly popular 3rd G role. He didn't like watching guys just chuck away. Who did BTW ? and now I see snide little 'he must have been lying' because he is deferring once again and not being the main guy.... Oh lets forget he is deferring to future HOF-er. DWade. A bit different than watching one of our chuck wagon boys eh? And nevermind he is playing for one of the most respected FO's in the league.

Miami could give a crap about overpaying him (100 mill is pure speculation, I wouldn't be surprised if Dragic takes a reasonable deal there.... just because he is there). Our front office will never sniff such levels of respect, and certainly not in the player's eyes. (I could go down the path of the importance of having someone who 'played' the game instead of a 3 headed geek fest... but will save that for later)

the Heat are a ball club that wants to win titles, more of them. thats is their marketing plan to sell tickets. Not some gimmicky fun to watch wannabe Showtime production. (yes I just made a fLaker reference... you see how far I have sunk?)

Truth of the matter is.... to blame Dragic, IT, Plum etc for this mess by not buying into the system is precisely what the FO is doing. They have perfected the 'Art of Deflection'. I am beginning to think that Hornecek can be included with the jettisoned jaw-ers. I tend to side with Dragic on one thing... I don't trust these guys.

What a sham.... this team has become perhaps the most unlikable concoction of players ever assembled in Phnx. .... and if you can't see fit to blame the architect, the contractor, and the developer..... then you might as well close your eyes and hope the building doesn't collapse upon you. Its been creaking and groaning for weeks. Soon to be condemned.

These guys have lost my support. I'm still a Suns fans.... but I wont be emotionally invested until they clean house, and really, just tear it down from the top. How many chances are you going to give these guys? How many pies in the face you going to take from these spin-sters ? Sarver and Babby have been taking turns on us... but hey... its only whipped cream right?
(whoops, that was a whole cake... fitting I guess)

Ok now, someone rebut this with 'hey Rome didn't get built in a day' ...blahblahblah... we are rebuilding...blahblahblah.... we are the 3rd youngest team....blahblahblah. Over reacting... blahblahblah. This administration has taken a once respected organization and hit it in the fave with a shovel. We are the joke of the league..this board reflects that, the talking heads reflect that, our own local media ...


Me?

I'm done







nyuk nyuk nyuk

[enigmatics]

I'm still shell-shocked at how fast McDildo resurrected this team last year then turned around and created a dumpster fire. Dude killed the vibe .... murdered it.

[Cash]

Arguably Frank's best post ever. I still hold out a little more hope for the FO, but the arrogance of their post-trade comments really galled me. I'm still waiting for Brandon Knight to show how he's the best player in those trades, btw. And the roster-building since the offseason has been questionable at best... I hated the IT signing when it happened, but everyone seemed to love it, so I figured maybe I was wrong. (Nope, I was right.) I was bummed we lost Frye, but expected it, and rationalized that both Markeiff & Len needed more minutes to develop. On one hand, both of them have developed, but on the other, I wonder how key Frye was to last year's great chemistry? I dunno, but SOMETHING happened to change them from one of the best chemistry teams in the league to one of the worst. It seems bizarre to me.

Anyway, skipping ahead to the trade deadline, I still have no idea what they were thinking with the Knight trade. Under the circumstances, I think the other 2 were pretty defensible, but not Knight. (For the record, I was hoping they'd deal IT and try/hope to mend relations with Dragic - kind of like Portland with LaMarcus Aldridge. I get the point that last season was probably Dragic's career year, but 1.) maybe it wasn't, and 2.) he came back as a FA even after he was dumped for Aaron Brooks! That has to count for something.) The Suns seem to think that Knight is a legit star. Not a superstar, but a real star nonetheless. To give up 3 legit assets (rookie 1st-rounder, 26-year-old 3rd-year C with some promise, Lakers pick) for a guy about to enter RFA is basically saying that he's a max player. Because if you aren't willing to match any max offer, you gave up 3 assets for nothing. Personally, from what I've seen so far, I think they're way off on Knight, and that he's just had inflated offensive numbers because he was the only shot-creator on his team. But second of all, I now *hate* the way this roster is constructed. McD came out before the trade deadline and talked about how he screwed up in putting the roster together, and that it needed more balance. That wasn't wrong - we had 4 PGs, 4 SGs, 3 SFs, 1PF, and 3 Cs, and the rotation was basically 3 PGs, 1 SG, 2 SFs, 1 PF, and 3 Cs. The solution was apparently to trade away 3 PGs and a C for a PG, a SG, and a SF. Not counting 10-day contracts, we now only have 3 bigs on the roster, and since we start 2 PGs, we also don't have a backup PG. That's horrible. Ugh.

[thamadkant]

In fairness McD was signed less than 2 years ago.
His goals upon signing was always long term. And he has been open with saying he will not make moves for the short term that sacrifices the long term.

Maybe Dragic was simply never part of that long term plan, we don't know. Last year threw a wrench on gears because the team played so well.
When Bledsoe was brought in, I remember a lot of Suns fans questioned Dragic's future. That was before he started killing it and playing like a star.
But he did kill it so some Suns fans thought Suns should build around him... but we don't know whether the New FO wanted to do that.

I think they wanted to keep Dragic but he was a luxury. I believe Sarver especially wanted him but McD saw him as dispensable since he is trying to build "his" team from scratch. He did join a really really bad Suns team in 2013. He has a vision that sold him to get the job.

Also Markieff, Marcus are Blanks/Sarver guys. The McD/Sarver guys, 3 of them got shipped off very quickly after issues arised.

The Morris brothers were apparently shopped and had a deal in place but issues arised that stopped it.


What I'm trying to say is... The FO are still peeling and chopping the vegetables and still waiting for some ingredients to come... They aren't done cooking, the pot isn't even on the stove yet.

[snowthedirtbub]

Hindsight is 20/20.

The only move that I can recall that was considered AT THE TIME to be a bad move is the Knight trade (and even that seems to be 50/50) and his post trade comments about Dragic (which again seems to be 50/50). At the time the majority of fans and experts thought the IT signing at that contract was a good one as

1. insurance policy for Bledsoe leaving
2. instant offense off the bench (one sports sight I believe ESPN unanimously predicted he would win 6moty).

The good things the FO and Hornacek have far outweigh the negative things so far. I'm willing to give them more then 2 years especially looking at this team is at now vs what it was when they got here. Color me unimpressed with the Heat FO with a 26-33 team in the east with 3 players on big contracts that are on the downside of their careers and the only hope of getting better is a 30yo PG probably on a max contract, real championship material there.

FYI nobody blames Plumlees ineptitude on not buying into the system, everyone knows he just sucks.

To sum it up, I still believe in Ryan McDonough.

[JTrain]

[Sunsdeuce]

Mcd may have the drive and dedication to be be great at being a GM but that does not mean he is naturally gifted. His obvious plan last year was to tank hard. He traded away assets and picked up players, he THOUGHT were going to contribute to the tank. The problem was the team was better than he thought he had put together. So he had to readjust his original plan. Team was coming up and he wanted to get stars. Lebron basically toyed with the Suns and he never had any desire to even come close to phoenix. Yet Ryan and Babby were completely ignornately preoccupied with the lebron nonsense they let other more realistic free agents slide by. And than as everyone all ready knew, Lebron wasnt coming to Phx (big surprise;sarcasm).

Ryan's inexperience is showing. As it stands, ryan's only real win type of signing/trade was the scola trade. Everything else so far is subpar.
Ryan's Wins:
1)Scola trade
2)drafting Len

Ryan's Loses:
1)IT signing
2)IT trade
3)Goran situation
4)Goran trade getting back basically nothing
5)Letting Frye walk (dont believe that BS they are spewing about frye only giving them three minutes to decide. Frye can on TV and said the suns never even contacted him).
6)Overpaying Tucker after an extreme DWI
7)Getting abused by Bledsoe's wannabe agent and overpaying bledsoe.
8)Trading Ennis for basically nothing
9)Wasting valuable time trying to seduce the hottest thing available when your the ugliest guy in the room (Persuing Lebron). Ryan (and babby) got punked by lebron.

Ryan's 50-50s still waiting on outcomes:
1) Hornaeck (smart guy but inexperienced)
2) Archie (wait and see)
3) Warren (wait and see)
4) Knight trade

Now dont think that I think he is a failure. I think he is an up and comer but he is in over his head because of the two worst boneheads running an NBA franchise in Babby and Sarver. I put most of the blame on Sarver and Babby. Those two are not quality individuals both ethically and professionally when it comes to running the suns. Sarver continues to pull sheets over people's eyes and there are actually fans who defend this clown. Worst part of it he brings in his buddy in Babby who is not likable and players are shying away from Phx.

This organization has been in the gutter since Sarver took over and NOT one star free agent has signed with the suns under Sarver.
In this 11 years as a owner only Grant Hill is the biggest name we have got. And now even Grant Hill wants nothing to do with the Suns organization.

Bottomline: Ryan has made mistakes due to inexperience but 90% of the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Sarver and his buddy Babby.

[bwgood77]

I was bummed we lost Frye, but expected it, and rationalized that both Markeiff & Len needed more minutes to develop. On one hand, both of them have developed, but on the other, I wonder how key Frye was to last year's great chemistry? I dunno, but SOMETHING happened to change them from one of the best chemistry teams in the league to one of the worst. It seems bizarre to me.

I can understand why some didn't want to sign Frye, but many thought he should be re-signed at the time. Most of those people rarely post any more, but he was integral to the success last year.

Now he did have his limitations, and his contract was an overpay, but we ended up giving similar money to a guy who disrupted chemisty. So you remove a guy that was good for chemistry and added a guy that wasn't for the same money.

But what may be a factor people haven't mentioned is having a veteran presence. Everyone thinks we need one now, but no one said this last year and who is the veteran that left? Frye.

[RunDogGun]

Frankly speaking, I didnt force Goran to give his grand MIP speech and his commitment to improve his game. That was all him. He didn't work on his game, but instead exhausted himself this summer, also picking up an injury. He helped create the monster in IT. So I'm sorry that I have no sympathy for Goran. He didn't do what he said he would, helped create the IT situation, and then threw the team under the bus, to play almost the same amount of off guard action as he did here. He is full of sh*t, as is much of the OPs comments.

How's that for some woof?

[JTrain]

Frankly speaking, I didnt force Goran to give his grand MIP speech and his commitment to improve his game. That was all him. He didn't work on his game, but instead exhausted himself this summer, also picking up an injury.

He didn't work on his game because he was busy playing basketball all summer?

[bwgood77]

This organization has been in the gutter since Sarver took over and NOT one star free agent has signed with the suns under Sarver. In this 11 years as a owner only Grant Hill is the biggest name we have got. And now even Grant Hill wants nothing to do with the Suns organization.

I agree with a lot of what you say, though I do think Sarver has improved over time. He used to sell draft picks and trade picks (Ibaka) to dump contracts to get under the tax.

Since then he has amnestied a player with multiple years left, and in general doesn't seem cheap. I think he genuinely wants to win and will pay and go into the tax if need be to do so.

Also, Nash signed after Sarver bought the team, didn't he?

Most "star" players don't switch teams in free agency. Bosh and LeBron are about the only ones who have in the last decade or so. I guess Millsap did but Utah was moving on and I don't think most consider him a star. Same with Al Jefferson.

[RunDogGun]

Frankly speaking, I didnt force Goran to give his grand MIP speech and his commitment to improve his game. That was all him. He didn't work on his game, but instead exhausted himself this summer, also picking up an injury.

He didn't work on his game because he was busy playing basketball all summer?

Not his game which needed improvement. If Shaq said he was going to work on his free throws and he spent the summer playing games that he mainly did his inside work, I wouldn't say he worked on his free throws because he may have shot a few in the games, would you?

[RunDogGun]

This organization has been in the gutter since Sarver took over and NOT one star free agent has signed with the suns under Sarver. In this 11 years as a owner only Grant Hill is the biggest name we have got. And now even Grant Hill wants nothing to do with the Suns organization.

I agree with a lot of what you say, though I do think Sarver has improved over time. He used to sell draft picks and trade picks (Ibaka) to dump contracts to get under the tax.

Since then he has amnestied a player with multiple years left, and in general doesn't seem cheap. I think he genuinely wants to win and will pay and go into the tax if need be to do so.

Also, Nash signed after Sarver bought the team, didn't he?

Most "star" players don't switch teams in free agency. Bosh and LeBron are about the only ones who have in the last decade or so. I guess Millsap did but Utah was moving on and I don't think most consider him a star. Same with Al Jefferson.

For the last time people, we haven't had money to go after any FA when Sarver took over this team. The team was up to its eyeballs in debt, which is not Sarver's fault. Under his reign we went from a 33 win team to a constant playoff team.

Yes moves have bit us in the butt, but so did moves before he took over the team. We were lucky the team didn't declare bankruptcy and/or get bought by an owner who's plan was to move it to another city.

So again, I ask for a list of FA that at the time we could have afforded. Until I see a list, there is nothing to back this claim of losing out on big name FAs, that we couldn't get to sign for the MLE, which at most we had until the last few years. We went after Gordon, he wanted to come here, and he was matched. We went after Mayo, couldn't guarantee a starting job. We went after Goran, and signed him. We went after Beasley, who at the time said everything you would want a player with his skills to say, and played like he was stoned the whole time. We signed Bledsoe, and got him here for peanuts. We tried for Love, we tried from LeBron, we signed IT, who was a 20/6 starter, and just this week named player of the week. So who? Who did we miss out on, that we legitimately had a chance to get?

[bwgood77]

For the last time people, we haven't had money to go after any FA when Sarver took over this team. The team was up to its eyeballs in debt, which is not Sarver's fault. Under his reign we went from a 33 win team to a constant playoff team.

Yes moves have bit us in the butt, but so did moves before he took over the team. We were lucky the team didn't declare bankruptcy and/or get bought by an owner who's plan was to move it to another city.

So again, I ask for a list of FA that at the time we could have afforded. Until I see a list, there is nothing to back this claim of losing out on big name FAs, that we couldn't get to sign for the MLE, which at most we had until the last few years. We went after Gordon, he wanted to come here, and he was matched. We went after Mayo, couldn't guarantee a starting job. We went after Goran, and signed him. We went after Beasley, who at the time said everything you would want a player with his skills to say, and played like he was stoned the whole time. We signed Bledsoe, and got him here for peanuts. We tried for Love, we tried from LeBron, we signed IT, who was a 20/6 starter, and just this week named player of the week. So who? Who did we miss out on, that we legitimately had a chance to get?

Not sure why you are responding to me on this, but we did go out and sign Q after he bought the team instead of giving JJ the extension, and signed Nash. He could have saved money but not signing Q and drafting Iguodala or Deng instead. He was willing to spend money. I'm sure he financed most of the purchase.

[RunDogGun]

For the last time people, we haven't had money to go after any FA when Sarver took over this team. The team was up to its eyeballs in debt, which is not Sarver's fault. Under his reign we went from a 33 win team to a constant playoff team.

Yes moves have bit us in the butt, but so did moves before he took over the team. We were lucky the team didn't declare bankruptcy and/or get bought by an owner who's plan was to move it to another city.

So again, I ask for a list of FA that at the time we could have afforded. Until I see a list, there is nothing to back this claim of losing out on big name FAs, that we couldn't get to sign for the MLE, which at most we had until the last few years. We went after Gordon, he wanted to come here, and he was matched. We went after Mayo, couldn't guarantee a starting job. We went after Goran, and signed him. We went after Beasley, who at the time said everything you would want a player with his skills to say, and played like he was stoned the whole time. We signed Bledsoe, and got him here for peanuts. We tried for Love, we tried from LeBron, we signed IT, who was a 20/6 starter, and just this week named player of the week. So who? Who did we miss out on, that we legitimately had a chance to get?

Not sure why you are responding to me on this, but we did go out and sign Q after he bought the team instead of giving JJ the extension, and signed Nash. He could have saved money but not signing Q and drafting Iguodala or Deng instead. He was willing to spend money. I'm sure he financed most of the purchase.

I wasn't really responding to you. I don't see Dueces comments unless someone quoted him. I'm not sure if we can use the Iggy/Deng pick, for technically Sarver didn't take control of the team until a week after that draft.

Saver was put in a pretty bad spot. His group assumed $200 million in debt, so continuing the same ideas, which put us into that huge debt, isn't good business. There were plenty of bad moves before the sale like losing McDyss, rushing to buy Googs, and later giving away Hayward to unload Googs to Utah. JJ wanted to be the man, and he wasn't going to be that here. I think even if we signed him to an extension, he would have complained about not getting the ball enough, with Nash, Amare, and Marion (who also complained about not getting enough touches).

[Sunsdeuce]

This organization has been in the gutter since Sarver took over and NOT one star free agent has signed with the suns under Sarver. In this 11 years as a owner only Grant Hill is the biggest name we have got. And now even Grant Hill wants nothing to do with the Suns organization.

I agree with a lot of what you say, though I do think Sarver has improved over time. He used to sell draft picks and trade picks (Ibaka) to dump contracts to get under the tax.

Since then he has amnestied a player with multiple years left, and in general doesn't seem cheap. I think he genuinely wants to win and will pay and go into the tax if need be to do so.

Also, Nash signed after Sarver bought the team, didn't he?

Most "star" players don't switch teams in free agency. Bosh and LeBron are about the only ones who have in the last decade or so. I guess Millsap did but Utah was moving on and I don't think most consider him a star. Same with Al Jefferson.

Yes you are correct, Nash and Q were signed at the same time as Sarver bought the team but remember Colangelo still had his fingers in the pot during this time and his son was the GM. I think Sarver wants to win but the problem is he is very unlikable and is viewed by the players in the NBA as an Owner no one wants to play for.

[sunskerr]

Patience is a virtue people. I cannot agree with the premise of this post simply because of the trajectory of our team compared to where it was after the Beasley/Brown era. In fact, I don't see how anybody could. We're at .500 and the vibe of the forum is that people wanted 50 wins. Honestly this is about where we should be: a young team with assets and cap room to make a big trade. That is the whole deal and that is the most important thing. The front office knows it and it's actually really obvious, so why can't some of you see that?

I don't understand this absurd level of negativity - of course it sucks that we probably won't make the playoffs and we lost our favourite guy in Dragic. Yeah, there were trust issues and that clearly isn't good. But don't forget where we were before McDonough came to town - aging with no young talent and no playoff aspirations.

Let this serve as a reality check for the lot of you. This is real hindsight. Stop crying because Dragic left us. Dude is 29 and is about to get paid and rightfully so. That's fine and if he didn't want to be here has every right to ask out. There is no good reason to keep Dragic over Bledsoe and you all know it.

I am pretty confident that this young GM is more knowledgeable about today's NBA know-how than many other older, more senile managers. He was put in a tough position and has done an amazing job. Of course he has made mistakes, such as signing IT and marginalizing Dragic, but you just have to deal with it because the good outweighs the bad by a fair margin. Be patient and judge McDonough's tenure when he is finished here and stop being a prisoner of the moment by reacting to every single thing that comes out.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A[/youtube]

[TeamTragic]

Frankly speaking, I didnt force Goran to give his grand MIP speech and his commitment to improve his game. That was all him. He didn't work on his game, but instead exhausted himself this summer, also picking up an injury. He helped create the monster in IT. So I'm sorry that I have no sympathy for Goran. He didn't do what he said he would, helped create the IT situation, and then threw the team under the bus, to play almost the same amount of off guard action as he did here. He is full of sh*t, as is much of the OPs comments.

How's that for some woof?

[Sunsdeuce]

For the last time people, we haven't had money to go after any FA when Sarver took over this team. The team was up to its eyeballs in debt, which is not Sarver's fault. Under his reign we went from a 33 win team to a constant playoff team.

Yes moves have bit us in the butt, but so did moves before he took over the team. We were lucky the team didn't declare bankruptcy and/or get bought by an owner who's plan was to move it to another city.

So again, I ask for a list of FA that at the time we could have afforded. Until I see a list, there is nothing to back this claim of losing out on big name FAs, that we couldn't get to sign for the MLE, which at most we had until the last few years. We went after Gordon, he wanted to come here, and he was matched. We went after Mayo, couldn't guarantee a starting job. We went after Goran, and signed him. We went after Beasley, who at the time said everything you would want a player with his skills to say, and played like he was stoned the whole time. We signed Bledsoe, and got him here for peanuts. We tried for Love, we tried from LeBron, we signed IT, who was a 20/6 starter, and just this week named player of the week. So who? Who did we miss out on, that we legitimately had a chance to get?

Not sure why you are responding to me on this, but we did go out and sign Q after he bought the team instead of giving JJ the extension, and signed Nash. He could have saved money but not signing Q and drafting Iguodala or Deng instead. He was willing to spend money. I'm sure he financed most of the purchase.

I wasn't really responding to you. I don't see Dueces comments unless someone quoted him. I'm not sure if we can use the Iggy/Deng pick, for technically Sarver didn't take control of the team until a week after that draft.

Saver was put in a pretty bad spot. His group assumed $200 million in debt, so continuing the same ideas, which put us into that huge debt, isn't good business. There were plenty of bad moves before the sale like losing McDyss, rushing to buy Googs, and later giving away Hayward to unload Googs to Utah. JJ wanted to be the man, and he wasn't going to be that here. I think even if we signed him to an extension, he would have complained about not getting the ball enough, with Nash, Amare, and Marion (who also complained about not getting enough touches).

Excuses are like ****, everyone has one!

[bwgood77]

For the last time people, we haven't had money to go after any FA when Sarver took over this team. The team was up to its eyeballs in debt, which is not Sarver's fault. Under his reign we went from a 33 win team to a constant playoff team.

Yes moves have bit us in the butt, but so did moves before he took over the team. We were lucky the team didn't declare bankruptcy and/or get bought by an owner who's plan was to move it to another city.

So again, I ask for a list of FA that at the time we could have afforded. Until I see a list, there is nothing to back this claim of losing out on big name FAs, that we couldn't get to sign for the MLE, which at most we had until the last few years. We went after Gordon, he wanted to come here, and he was matched. We went after Mayo, couldn't guarantee a starting job. We went after Goran, and signed him. We went after Beasley, who at the time said everything you would want a player with his skills to say, and played like he was stoned the whole time. We signed Bledsoe, and got him here for peanuts. We tried for Love, we tried from LeBron, we signed IT, who was a 20/6 starter, and just this week named player of the week. So who? Who did we miss out on, that we legitimately had a chance to get?

Not sure why you are responding to me on this, but we did go out and sign Q after he bought the team instead of giving JJ the extension, and signed Nash. He could have saved money but not signing Q and drafting Iguodala or Deng instead. He was willing to spend money. I'm sure he financed most of the purchase.

I wasn't really responding to you. I don't see Dueces comments unless someone quoted him. I'm not sure if we can use the Iggy/Deng pick, for technically Sarver didn't take control of the team until a week after that draft.

Saver was put in a pretty bad spot. His group assumed $200 million in debt, so continuing the same ideas, which put us into that huge debt, isn't good business. There were plenty of bad moves before the sale like losing McDyss, rushing to buy Googs, and later giving away Hayward to unload Googs to Utah. JJ wanted to be the man, and he wasn't going to be that here. I think even if we signed him to an extension, he would have complained about not getting the ball enough, with Nash, Amare, and Marion (who also complained about not getting enough touches).

oh, I agree....there were plenty of bad moves before. In addition to the Googs signing, the Longley signing, when we could have gotten Divac at about 1/3 the price. I even thought it would have been better to re-sign McDyess after we traded back for him, and he played well with Amare, then sign Q.