Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[nate33]

going from 20 to 29 is basically like trading the first though, thats basically a 2nd rounder at that point

Getting rid of Websters contract is great and all but I would not have liked that trade at all

Yeah, I would not have made that trade. 20 is far better than 29 in this draft, imo.

I agree. Giving up a 1st for Jack is using a long term asset (the pick) for a stop gap player who will be gone by 2016. It doesn't make sense given our current circumstance.

Giving up the pick (or preferably the 2016 pick) for Isaiah Thomas is different. Thomas is young, good, and under contract through 2018. That's trading a long term asset for a long term asset. EG should have pulled the trigger on that one.

[Ruzious]

Good luck to Javale McGee in Boston - playing for Brad Stevens - who seems to have a knack for using players smartly. He's moved Jae Crowder to a small-ball PF off the bench, and he's been effective there. Javale's contract is for 2 seasons - not sure if season 2 is guaranteed. If he does well, maybe Boston is more willing to trade Sullinger or Olynyk.

[nate33]

Good luck to Javale McGee in Boston - playing for Brad Stevens - who seems to have a knack for using players smartly. He's moved Jae Crowder to a small-ball PF off the bench, and he's been effective there. Javale's contract is for 2 seasons - not sure if season 2 is guaranteed. If he does well, maybe Boston is more willing to trade Sullinger or Olynyk.

I like that Ainge signed McGee to a 2-year deal (probably with some kind of team option or cheap buyout in Year 2). That's how you do it. If McGee gets his act together, then they have him locked up for cheap for another full year.

Grunfeld never gets this part right. He sometimes finds free agent gems on the cheap (Webster, Stevenson, Butler) but he invariably fails to sign them to a 2-year deal with some kind of team control on Year 2. When the players play well, they immediately become free agents and he ends up overpaying to keep them or he loses them altogether (James Singleton).

[fishercob]

Good luck to Javale McGee in Boston - playing for Brad Stevens - who seems to have a knack for using players smartly. He's moved Jae Crowder to a small-ball PF off the bench, and he's been effective there. Javale's contract is for 2 seasons - not sure if season 2 is guaranteed. If he does well, maybe Boston is more willing to trade Sullinger or Olynyk.

I like that Ainge signed McGee to a 2-year deal (probably with some kind of team option or cheap buyout in Year 2). That's how you do it. If McGee gets his act together, then they have him locked up for cheap for another full year.

Grunfeld never gets this part right. He sometimes finds free agent gems on the cheap (Webster, Stevenson, Butler) but he invariably fails to sign them to a 2-year deal with some kind of team control on Year 2. When the players play well, they immediately become free agents and he ends up overpaying to keep them or he loses them altogether (James Singleton).

I think the play is to restore some value, make him attractive to playoff teams next year, and then flip him for an asset -- young player, pick, etc.

This is how you build an asset base.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Good luck to Javale McGee in Boston - playing for Brad Stevens - who seems to have a knack for using players smartly. He's moved Jae Crowder to a small-ball PF off the bench, and he's been effective there. Javale's contract is for 2 seasons - not sure if season 2 is guaranteed. If he does well, maybe Boston is more willing to trade Sullinger or Olynyk.

Good move.

[gambitx777]

going from 20 to 29 is basically like trading the first though, thats basically a 2nd rounder at that point

Getting rid of Websters contract is great and all but I would not have liked that trade at all

Yeah, I would not have made that trade. 20 is far better than 29 in this draft, imo.

Sure at 19 we are still in play for Kaminsky or Damian Jones. Either of those guys would be amazing! But, at 29 you can still get a guy like, Jordan Mickey, Christian Wood, Rakeem Christmas, or Dakari Johnson. But either way if the Wizards come away with Frank Kaminsky or Damian Jones, I will be more than happy! But I would have been fine taking Jack and dumping webster. That would have forced more time for porter and Jack would have seriously helped our bench.

[fishercob]

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So it appears to me as if the deal we had on the table would have been Jack + ATL pick (late 20's) for Martell + wiz pick.

Not sure this would have moved the needle. One the one hand, I prefer Jack to Sessions AND this would save us some money for the summer of '16.

OTOH, those 10 spots in the draft could end up mattering and Jack isn't that good -- particularly for the money. I actually think it's for the best that the Wizards didn't make this deal.

If we want Jack, we can probably get him on draft night; the Nets need to clear some salary.

[Dark Faze]

pretty much the only thing that stopped it was the fact that OKC went behind the Nets back to make their move with other parties

Pray that Ernie isn't the one making the pick

[Ruzious]

going from 20 to 29 is basically like trading the first though, thats basically a 2nd rounder at that point

Getting rid of Websters contract is great and all but I would not have liked that trade at all

Yeah, I would not have made that trade. 20 is far better than 29 in this draft, imo.

Sure at 19 we are still in play for Kaminsky or Damian Jones. Either of those guys would be amazing! But, at 29 you can still get a guy like, Jordan Mickey, Christian Wood, Rakeem Christmas, or Dakari Johnson. But either way if the Wizards come away with Frank Kaminsky or Damian Jones, I will be more than happy! But I would have been fine taking Jack and dumping webster. That would have forced more time for porter and Jack would have seriously helped our bench.

I'd pass on Damian Jones. He seems like a Seraphin-like low BBIQ player - poor rebounder, terrible passer, high turnovers. And it's not like he's a dominant defender.

Mickey's a good player in the Taj Gibson mold, but he's only 6'7 and doesn't stretch defenses. Wood's a player I'm very intrigued by - he could be a boom or bust. Christmas and Dakari are 2nd round talents, imo - useful 2nd rounders but still 2nd rounders.

[LyricalRico]

Good luck to Javale McGee in Boston - playing for Brad Stevens - who seems to have a knack for using players smartly. He's moved Jae Crowder to a small-ball PF off the bench, and he's been effective there. Javale's contract is for 2 seasons - not sure if season 2 is guaranteed. If he does well, maybe Boston is more willing to trade Sullinger or Olynyk.

I like that Ainge signed McGee to a 2-year deal (probably with some kind of team option or cheap buyout in Year 2). That's how you do it. If McGee gets his act together, then they have him locked up for cheap for another full year.

Grunfeld never gets this part right. He sometimes finds free agent gems on the cheap (Webster, Stevenson, Butler) but he invariably fails to sign them to a 2-year deal with some kind of team control on Year 2. When the players play well, they immediately become free agents and he ends up overpaying to keep them or he loses them altogether (James Singleton).

Looks like the deal's off because of the 2nd year option. Not so easy, huh?

[Ruzious]

I think Javale's going to have a tough time finding a team that won't insist on a team option for a 2nd year. He's not the kind of player you'd normally want for a playoff run.

[gambitx777]

Yeah, I would not have made that trade. 20 is far better than 29 in this draft, imo.

Sure at 19 we are still in play for Kaminsky or Damian Jones. Either of those guys would be amazing! But, at 29 you can still get a guy like, Jordan Mickey, Christian Wood, Rakeem Christmas, or Dakari Johnson. But either way if the Wizards come away with Frank Kaminsky or Damian Jones, I will be more than happy! But I would have been fine taking Jack and dumping webster. That would have forced more time for porter and Jack would have seriously helped our bench.

I'd pass on Damian Jones. He seems like a Seraphin-like low BBIQ player - poor rebounder, terrible passer, high turnovers. And it's not like he's a dominant defender.

Mickey's a good player in the Taj Gibson mold, but he's only 6'7 and doesn't stretch defenses. Wood's a player I'm very intrigued by - he could be a boom or bust. Christmas and Dakari are 2nd round talents, imo - useful 2nd rounders but still 2nd rounders.

I would take Jones over having Kevin back on an EG like 4 year 6 mill deal. IMO jones is a much better defender than kevin.
I agree about Dakari, but Christmas could be a starter in the league. he is worlds better than most people think, he has a nice offensive game he is a competent defender and rebounder. He suffers from his age and being a senior, but if his skills will translate, which i think they will. Then I don't see anything wrong with taking him in the late first round if Kaminsky or jones is gone.

[nate33]

Good luck to Javale McGee in Boston - playing for Brad Stevens - who seems to have a knack for using players smartly. He's moved Jae Crowder to a small-ball PF off the bench, and he's been effective there. Javale's contract is for 2 seasons - not sure if season 2 is guaranteed. If he does well, maybe Boston is more willing to trade Sullinger or Olynyk.

I like that Ainge signed McGee to a 2-year deal (probably with some kind of team option or cheap buyout in Year 2). That's how you do it. If McGee gets his act together, then they have him locked up for cheap for another full year.

Grunfeld never gets this part right. He sometimes finds free agent gems on the cheap (Webster, Stevenson, Butler) but he invariably fails to sign them to a 2-year deal with some kind of team control on Year 2. When the players play well, they immediately become free agents and he ends up overpaying to keep them or he loses them altogether (James Singleton).

Looks like the deal's off because of the 2nd year option. Not so easy, huh?

Well, at least Ainge told McGee to forget it then. There's no sense in signing a guy to a half-year deal. Even if he plays well, you don't really reap the benefits. Ainge wanted McGee as a trade asset. No 2-year contract, no deal. Go choke on some cinnamon.

[gambitx777]

Even if the deal is guaranteed for next year, He is still a trade asset, not if there is a team option he is more so because of the cap relief he could provide. But if he plays well this year you could sell him to a contender for a pick, if mozgov got 2 firsts, then McGee at full swing, on a low deal can get you something.

[tontoz]

Go choke on some cinnamon.

[slc24]

I'm a Jazz fan, just going to throw this out there... Is there any interest in trading Brad Beal?

He's going to get a big extension the same year Durrant hits the market, just wondering if the Jazz could put together a package that would interest you guys and make sense for both teams. Beal is a perfect fit for the Jazz, as they need outside shooting and a secondary scorer beside Hayward.

Exum/Beal/Hayward/Favors/Kanter is a really nice starting lineup longterm.

I was thinking Jazz could offer something along the lines of Trey Burke, Rodney Hood, Jazz 1st this year (around 8 or 9, probably someone like Hezonja, Porzingis, Winslow or Cauley-Stein), and the GSW unprotected 2017 pick and protected 2017 OKC pick. We could probably throw Alec Burks in there as well, but he'll be making around 10 million a year (still much less than Beal), but it may not be the right direction to go. We also have tons of seconds we could use as sweetener.

This whole thing is probably dependent on a having a good chance of Durrant signing in 2016, but if it worked out, you'd have:

Wall/Hood/Durrant/Gortat/Cauley-Stein

With a bench of Burke/Webster/Porter/possibly resigned Nene, plus your own pick this year and next, and then 3 1sts in 2017 to build around this cast on rookie scale contracts. Hood has actually been really good since coming back from injury and will be starting caliber IMO. Plus you would have a ton of cap (without having to max out Beal) to add some other solid pieces.

Jazz consolidate assets and make a bold move to get a guy who has some injury concerns but may be capable to carry the offensive load.

Thoughts?

[gambitx777]

I'm a Jazz fan, just going to throw this out there... Is there any interest in trading Brad Beal?

He's going to get a big extension the same year Durrant hits the market, just wondering if the Jazz could put together a package that would interest you guys and make sense for both teams. Beal is a perfect fit for the Jazz, as they need outside shooting and a secondary scorer beside Hayward.

Exum/Beal/Hayward/Favors/Kanter is a really nice starting lineup longterm.

I was thinking Jazz could offer something along the lines of Trey Burke, Rodney Hood, Jazz 1st this year (around 8 or 9, probably someone like Hezonja, Porzingis, Winslow or Cauley-Stein), and the GSW unprotected 2017 pick and protected 2017 OKC pick. We could probably throw Alec Burks in there as well, but he'll be making around 10 million a year (still much less than Beal), but it may not be the right direction to go. We also have tons of seconds we could use as sweetener.

This whole thing is probably dependent on a having a good chance of Durrant signing in 2016, but if it worked out, you'd have:

Wall/Hood/Durrant/Gortat/Cauley-Stein

With a bench of Burke/Webster/Porter/possibly resigned Nene, plus your own pick this year and next, and then 3 1sts in 2017 to build around this cast on rookie scale contracts. Hood has actually been really good since coming back from injury and will be starting caliber IMO. Plus you would have a ton of cap (without having to max out Beal) to add some other solid pieces.

Jazz consolidate assets and make a bold move to get a guy who has some injury concerns but may be capable to carry the offensive load.

Thoughts?

I would seriously consider,
Burke, Hood, Booker Jazz 2015, and the GS 2017 pick
For
Beal, Webster, and the rights to satoransky
This would solve a lot of issues, Dumps webster, adds a one year stop gap replacement for gooden. We get out back up PG, we get younger and we get 2 really useful picks. You could argue that the team is not really losing much by doing this. Between Porter, Hood, and one of your draft picks, you could have your beal replacement.

[Ruzious]

I'm a Jazz fan, just going to throw this out there... Is there any interest in trading Brad Beal?

He's going to get a big extension the same year Durrant hits the market, just wondering if the Jazz could put together a package that would interest you guys and make sense for both teams. Beal is a perfect fit for the Jazz, as they need outside shooting and a secondary scorer beside Hayward.

Exum/Beal/Hayward/Favors/Kanter is a really nice starting lineup longterm.

I was thinking Jazz could offer something along the lines of Trey Burke, Rodney Hood, Jazz 1st this year (around 8 or 9, probably someone like Hezonja, Porzingis, Winslow or Cauley-Stein), and the GSW unprotected 2017 pick and protected 2017 OKC pick. We could probably throw Alec Burks in there as well, but he'll be making around 10 million a year (still much less than Beal), but it may not be the right direction to go. We also have tons of seconds we could use as sweetener.

This whole thing is probably dependent on a having a good chance of Durrant signing in 2016, but if it worked out, you'd have:

Wall/Hood/Durrant/Gortat/Cauley-Stein

With a bench of Burke/Webster/Porter/possibly resigned Nene, plus your own pick this year and next, and then 3 1sts in 2017 to build around this cast on rookie scale contracts. Hood has actually been really good since coming back from injury and will be starting caliber IMO. Plus you would have a ton of cap (without having to max out Beal) to add some other solid pieces.

Jazz consolidate assets and make a bold move to get a guy who has some injury concerns but may be capable to carry the offensive load.

Thoughts?

I would seriously consider,
Burke, Hood, Booker Jazz 2015, and the GS 2017 pick
For
Beal, Webster, and the rights to satoransky
This would solve a lot of issues, Dumps webster, adds a one year stop gap replacement for gooden. We get out back up PG, we get younger and we get 2 really useful picks. You could argue that the team is not really losing much by doing this. Between Porter, Hood, and one of your draft picks, you could have your beal replacement.

Of course it's water under the bridge, but we missed the boat by not getting Gobert - a player Barely Awake and Ruz truly really wanted. He's beasting (after being the 27th pick in the 2013 draft) since they traded Kanter.

I'd love to get that Jazz 2015 pick if Myles Turner is there, but I'm not crazy about the other assets you mentioned.

[gambitx777]

Of course it's water under the bridge, but we missed the boat by not getting Gobert - a player Barely Awake and Ruz truly really wanted. He's beasting (after being the 27th pick in the 2013 draft) since they traded Kanter.

I'd love to get that Jazz 2015 pick if Myles Turner is there, but I'm not crazy about the other assets you mentioned.

I think there are a few main points of the trade,
Cap and roster flexibility - We open up a lot of money and flexibility for 2016. On that note we also fix the Webster mistake.

We get a lot younger all the way around - Booker helps, Hood and Burke plus the two 2015 picks keep us from bringing in a lot of dead weight vets when we already have enough of those. Hood could turn into a really nice 3PT shooter and even if Burke has been struggling he could be a really nice back up for wall.

The picks- the Jazz pick will be in the top ten, we could possibly get Beals replacement there anyway. D'Angelo Russel, Justise Winslow could very well be better than Beal. Our second first round pick would hopfully be Frank Kaminsky

Wall/Burke/Sessions
Russel or Winslow/Hood/Temple
Pierce/Porter/FA (one year deal)
NENE/Hump/Booker
Gortat/Kaminsky/Blair

That would be a really nice team and an attractive one for KD to join.

[Dat2U]

Burke, Hood & Booker are backups and a serious stepdown from the upside of Beal. We need front line talent AND better depth, not just better depth.